Best Channel Strip in the $500-$600 Range...

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best mic pres/channel strips for neumann tlm 103?

what are the best mic pres/channel strips for neumann tlm 103? i'm doing hip hop vocals....
 
macthedoulos said:
what are the best mic pres/channel strips for neumann tlm 103? i'm doing hip hop vocals....

The Avalon 737.. it seems to be the standard for Hip-Hop vocals. (nuemann/avalon combo).
 
scarboro78 said:
The Avalon 737.. it seems to be the standard for Hip-Hop vocals. (nuemann/avalon combo).
Yeah, but only because they don't know sh!t about gear, so they get the brands which get mentioned the most! :D
 
Giganova said:
Yeah, but only because they don't know sh!t about gear, so they get the brands which get mentioned the most! :D

so....if you know about gear....please....gimme suggestions. i really don't have $2000 for a 737 right now. i'll get one later, but i need something more affordable right now. something that will compliment the neumann tlm 103.....
 
Things that work with a TLM103.

A hammer, I sold both of mine.

But, during their brief appearance in my studio I did find that these work.

Voicemaster Pro - very nice
Great River ME-1NV - slightly better than the above, more subtle detail.

DMP3 was bland
RNP was bland
Soundcraft Spirit board, OK but not as good as above.

That's all I own in preamps until my Seventh Circles are done.
 
I haven't voted, but I am glad to see our Safe Sound hanging in there...!

War :) :)
 
another vote for the tampa! i dont think its the same design as a dmp3 which i love the sound of also. the tampa i believe is class A with some kinda tube emulation harmonic distortion magic. i got me a 2 . theres money to be made in those mid level pre-s because many like me dont want a low budget pre and cant hold out for a high end. we are the wishy washy people that are making companies fight over us and our money.
 
Dot said:
scarboro, the Tampa gets my vote as the best mid-level channel strip deal on the market.

I am interested in getting a new mic and preamp, I have a behringer mixer and an AT dynamic mic, which sounds quite nice, but i'm ready for something more.

I have read your ADK Vienna/Hamburg reviews, they appealed as I would be using it for male/female vocals and ac. guitar. (not sure of the need to get a pair for this??? I think I could live without it for budget reasons)

So would the Tampa be a better choice than, for example, using the EH tube preamp, and compression/eq from within Logic (Logic, T-Racks, blockfish plug ins)?... for use with one of those mics??

I the music I listen to and aspire to create actually has a kind of dense dark sound, occasionaly distorted too (eels, sparklehorse, etc) but of course I want CLEAN for plenty of other things. Also the ability to DI bass or elec guitar (I use Amplitube, which even with my guitar plugged into the mixer sound better than my amp most of the time)

Was thinking of the EH pre, or maybe the VTB-1, but i have these channel strip things in the back of my mind also. I would purchase via the 'net from USA so reliability is a factor too...

thanks!!
 
scarboro78 said:
Hey Guys, I'm looking into buying a channel strip for recording mainly hip-hop vocals. My objective is to be able to basically minimize the amount of tweaking to be done within the recording application itself. I think I've narrowed it down to a few units based on their flexibility and options...

M-Audio Tampa
Focusrite VoiceMaster
Presonus Eureka
Safesound P1
Other Suggestions?

Let me know what you guys think and if you have any other suggestions.
By the way I'm using an Aardvark LX6 sound card. Thanks!

Considering most musicians will drop over a grand into a guitar, my suggestion is to do the same with a mic pre, if you're operating a home studio. But if money is tight, than the Eureka and Grace 101, are the bare minimum of what I would consider.
 
i was all ready to buy the tampa, and then i saw that there's no rear input! its only on the front panel! that makes me so mad!!
 
I also recommend the Tampa as a good midrange pre/comp box. I used one in conjunction with a motu 828 mk2 with good results. I was using a too neutral mic at the time and that was an akg 3000 (the $300 akg mic) i then sold that mic cause i didn't like it with my voice and got a SP C1 and that so far has been my favorite (sub $400) vocal mic. :)

I also had a RNC, it was a great sounding compressor but it wasn't BALANCED and I have massive OCD so I couldn't handle the fact that everything in my signal line was balanced EXCEPT for the RNC so I sold it. Ah the perils of mental problems and how they relate to everyday home recording...

just my 2 cents

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I'm with Halfler

HaflerAmp said:
Really, you won't know if you are in the same boat UNTIL you get a new mic. What you probably don't know about mic/preamp combinations is that seldomly is it either component that is at fault, rather, how the mic and preamp pair together. I swear, I hate the way a SM-57 sound via Focusrite Red preamps. But via a ART, the SM-57 sounds very good! So, which peice is at fault here? Which one do I get rid of? The ART? The Focusrite Red? The SM-57? I can just take those two preamps and talk a long time about how different mics sound between those two preamps. Some mics sound MUCH better on the Focusrite while others sound MUCH better on the ART. Then in some cases, depending upon WHAT you are recording, the whole thing can change. For instance, I think the AT 4033 sounds great on vocals via the ART. It sounds horrible on vocals via the Focusrite. But, the 4033 sound great on acoustic guitars via the Focusrite while it isn't that great on acoustics via the ART. So, again, which peice of gear do I dump?

The 414 is a good mic. It is versatile. As a vocal mic though, it has very limited uses. In many years of recording, I have only found a few vocalists where it won out over various other mics. While it never sounds "bad", it seldom sounds "great" on many vocalists. It lacks a "round" sound. On many voices, it can downright be cold and stiff sounding. Unless you have a very plain, sort of bassy voice, I doubt it will please you regardless of which preamp you run it through.

Again, I am betting that if you tried a variety of mics between that ART and any of those other preamps you are considering, you will get varied results on which pre sounds better. I think you really need to settle on a mic that is suitable for your voice first, then worry about the electronics later. I have yet to hear anything via those other preamps that I thought was stellar compared to many "lesser" preamps. Microphones are where it is at! Have many, and try them all out for what you are doing.

I will commonly line up all my LD's and run them all via a very average preamp and try them all out first on a vocalist. When we find the one mic that suits their voice best, we try different preamps. Here, the changes in sound are VERY subtle, and often the artist can't really tell the difference. At this point, I am usually picking the one that just sort of "feels" right at the moment. I will tell you though, I have had many times where ART's and Mackie preamps have done quite well against "better" preamps with the same mic.

Preamps are overrated.

Good luck.

I had a 737Sp ordered cause I thought I was missing out and they just couldn't deliver before 60 days. A studio friend loaned me a UA 6176 strip and it failed to make an improvement on recording bass or vocals. There was an everso subtle hi-eq defussion( tiny) in the vox over my mackie Onyx and
BlueTube DP ( clean mode no tube engaged). Sure the 1176 compressor will
let you sound big in the tracking phones but, the Waves Renn. Channel sounded better with the Onyx. All DAW's have about 5ms delay and my Wave native plugs don't add anything to that. Testing the three pre's side by side
was so subtle and after they got compression you couldn't really tell.
Really, you would buy a strip and accept its long channel path through marginal EQ, ok opto compressor, and make up gain over a great plugin with look ahead limiting, excellent D-essing, excellent gating, very good charator to transparent compression and silent make up gain.
There's no wrong way to do it but, going to a $1700 strip didn't make
a noticable diff if you have a good DAW and plugs. It feels good to click the buttons and move the big nobs but, it didn't sound better ( OK, yeah it does blow away a Beringher followed by a Composer 2100 compressor).
Rip Rowan has an article that all software compressors tested where better than any hardware copressor under $2000 and that an RNC is the only thing in the running. If you buy a strip, you locking yourself into the some of its parts ( mediocre) like buying that combo stereo with an 8 track in it.
BTW the $4500 Manely reference Gold mic I've been loaned made me see
what a smooth non- harsh over 1K mic can do.
A mixer friend has also raved about the 4050 and 4060 AT mic's.
If your gonna blow your money get more mics and a UAD card.
The difference between getting a better convertor ( Mackie 400F over a M-audio 24/96 Audio phile) made a subtle yet worth the money difference.
The shade a diff. between the pre-amps was far less and I wouldn't have heard it without better convertors.
Buy a noisey box and commit to tracking with inferior EQ, an Oky Doky opto compressor, average de-esser, and non discrete make-up gain just to have a
shinny box with meter and nobs that makes you feel good.
Who tracks with EQ anymore. And commit to attack and release times on your compressor while your playing bass....I can't make those choices untill after I've tracked. Then I can call up my mix, set compression, find EQ placement for all the items in the mix, keep the vox transparent or inflate it to meet that track and de-ess, find a place for the kick,snare....on and on.

learn how to use that DAW and its 24 bit advantage first.
Maybe spent a grand on the Great River and put the argument to rest in your mind so you can get on with finding the right mic. But, if you by a $500 channel, your commiting to the sum of its parts and as well as limiting your chane to put a LA2A, 1176 or C1 compressor and maybe Pultec EQ model on your vox..
Oh, and most articles you read say that pre's have very little diff on Condensor mics; its something that is going to help out dynamic mic's because of the wild changes in load on the pre.

Do me a favor and buy the Waves Renn. bundle. Keep your mic.
Insert the Channel plug on your tracking channel. Call up a vox pre-set.
put the threshold @ about 15 or so and add up 8db of make until the limit light just flick yellow. Don't use your stock DAW plugs ( latency and lame EQ).
The Waves stuff is 64 samples so it doesn't even add a full ms returning from the card. You will stuff the Art in a trash can after that.
The help section and manual on the Waves Renn EQ is even written by "Hutch" from Manely Labs explaining the EQ models and condoning the design.

Go to the Universal Web site and play the mp3 of the dry verses wet
LA2A UAD plug ( note that the track is recorded through an At4050 and Mackie 1604) ...is that what you want to happen to your vocals?
:eek:
 
Btw

you can track ( print to disk in Nuendo) by inserting a ( not the stock Nuendo...long latency and harsh sounding) compressor eq and
strip on the recording insert. This will allow you to commit to a sound and hear it in the cans as its printing to disk. Short of buying a $1000 pre, a Distressor to in sert and Great River EQ you can't do better. Now, you have a big fat compressed full sounding track printing to disk and you have limited your chances to modify it...but, its a way of working and lots of name producers do commit early to a sound.

Whats better is you can save a Nuendo setup with your Favorite channel inserts for type of vocals and recall it for a session. If your gonna spend hard earned cash, put it into what can be modeled or replicated...the mechanical
conversion at the mic and the pre-amp it self.
Plus, a lot of people are hearing other things besides the pre-amp; read the John Hardy PDF on auditioning pre-amps. Like for instance, the Blue Focusrite 428 ISA
has limiters at the end of the pre....some like this for drums...but do they like the pre or or the limiter circuit. Its the same with the new Apogee convertors
" Ocean engineers love to slam these convertor cause it sounds like tape"
and it just so happens in the last Tape Op the engineer for Apogee went to great lengths to model the limiters based on how tape does it. A lot of people are giving the pre to much credit and then slam it through an EQ and compressor, all of which modify the orginal signal greatly from the original pre-amp. That brings you back to the John Hardy argument that your hearing more of you convertor A/D going in , DAW summing buss, D/A out, monitor amp and lastly your monitors.

But, I'm not here to stop anyone buying a shiny winking box cause those are cool too. I'm just saying you can get a great sound straight into the box
if you aren't bothered by using a fiddlely mouse.
 
COOLCAT said:
i've read good stuff about bookshelves..deflection..or is it reflective
absorption... fill it with different shaped books.

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Diffusion is the operative principle. Instead of trying to remove standing waves and flutter echos strictly by absorption, diffusion breaks up large unidirectional reflections and turns them into smaller multi-angular reflections. The result is the appearance of a more spacious and geometrically complex listening environment (or recording environment) with reduced or blended flutter echos. Bookshelves don't exactly follow the quadratic residue of prime numbers approach to diffuser design, but they're a hell of a lot better than a flat smooth wall. They're also a handy place to put manuals. ;)
 
jkokura said:
Uh....This originated in December 2004 man...

Jacob

Channel strip threads never die, they just get overly compressed and eq'd till there's no signal left.
 
Or they're fricken polls with no expiration date...
 
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