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DJL
Self Banned
No they don't.Han said:
ausrock
Well-known member
QUOTE............."Because I think there are some people on this bbs who want to cover up the possible fact that the Behringer B5 and Studio Projects C4 are pretty much the same mic... and I think some are posting pictures of other mics that aren't anything like the B5 or C4 as a smoke screen.
Just for the record seeing has I posted pics of other mics.............I have no doubt that the Behri B5 is a knock-off of the C4 and probably has similar pcb design, etc., and if it was possible for me to get the mics I would have already photographed them and posted pics. I DON'T have any vested interest in hiding any facts. I DO own 4 SP mics plus a couple of 603's..........the reason being that SP were the first decent affordable LD mic available out here. MXL and ADK didn't surface till sometime later.
For my part, posting pics of mics other than the B5 and C4 is only in the interest of broadening the discussion.
Just for the record seeing has I posted pics of other mics.............I have no doubt that the Behri B5 is a knock-off of the C4 and probably has similar pcb design, etc., and if it was possible for me to get the mics I would have already photographed them and posted pics. I DON'T have any vested interest in hiding any facts. I DO own 4 SP mics plus a couple of 603's..........the reason being that SP were the first decent affordable LD mic available out here. MXL and ADK didn't surface till sometime later.
For my part, posting pics of mics other than the B5 and C4 is only in the interest of broadening the discussion.
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Harvey Gerst
New member
DJL said:
My mistake, your right you only said
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Originally posted by Harvey Gerst
I've lived about a dozen times more fulfilling life than most people my age. I"ve hung out with Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Eric Clapton, Frank Zappa, Mike Bloomfield, Lightning Hopkins, Albert King, and Stephen Paul, to name a few friends who passed away.
and you never said you ever did anything more than just hang out with them... no wonder I couldn't find your name listed in the credits. Sorry, my mistake.
Like so many of your other "mistakes", you're wrong on this too. I was the principal designer of the Acoustic Control amps, which were used by the Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Big Brother, Eric Clapton, Frank Zappa, Mike Bloomfield, and Albert King. No, they didn't credit me as the designer of the amps they used on their albums, but I knew them all on, and off, stage and I considered them as friends, who I hung out with from time to time. While I was in Sweetwater, we also opened for the Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Big Brother, and Frank Zappa's Mothers. Stephen Paul, I've known for many years and he was a dear friend.
DJL, I'm almost 67 years old, I still smoke about 3 packs a day, and I figure I've got maybe another 6 years to live, if I'm lucky. Frankly, arguing with you is not a very productive use of my time left on earth, so I've said everything I'm gonna say about your "agenda" and I'll avoid your crap posts from now on. As I said before, "I've had a good life; you need to get one".
My mistake, your right you only said
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Originally posted by Harvey Gerst
I've lived about a dozen times more fulfilling life than most people my age. I"ve hung out with Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Eric Clapton, Frank Zappa, Mike Bloomfield, Lightning Hopkins, Albert King, and Stephen Paul, to name a few friends who passed away.
and you never said you ever did anything more than just hang out with them... no wonder I couldn't find your name listed in the credits. Sorry, my mistake.
Like so many of your other "mistakes", you're wrong on this too. I was the principal designer of the Acoustic Control amps, which were used by the Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Big Brother, Eric Clapton, Frank Zappa, Mike Bloomfield, and Albert King. No, they didn't credit me as the designer of the amps they used on their albums, but I knew them all on, and off, stage and I considered them as friends, who I hung out with from time to time. While I was in Sweetwater, we also opened for the Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Big Brother, and Frank Zappa's Mothers. Stephen Paul, I've known for many years and he was a dear friend.
DJL, I'm almost 67 years old, I still smoke about 3 packs a day, and I figure I've got maybe another 6 years to live, if I'm lucky. Frankly, arguing with you is not a very productive use of my time left on earth, so I've said everything I'm gonna say about your "agenda" and I'll avoid your crap posts from now on. As I said before, "I've had a good life; you need to get one".
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DJL
Self Banned
Ok, for the record... you were one of the ones I was thinking about when I posted the above comment... but now that I understand where your comming from... I stand corrected. Thanksausrock said:QUOTE............."Because I think there are some people on this bbs who want to cover up the possible fact that the Behringer B5 and Studio Projects C4 are pretty much the same mic... and I think some are posting pictures of other mics that aren't anything like the B5 or C4 as a smoke screen.
Just for the record seeing has I posted pics of other mics.............I have no doubt that the Behri B5 is a knock-off of the C4 and probably has similar pcb design, etc., and if it was possible for me to get the mics I would have already photographed them and posted pics. I DON'T have any vested interest in hiding any facts. I DO own 4 SP mics plus a couple of 603's..........the reason being that SP were the first decent affordable LD mic available out here. MXL and ADK didn't surface till sometime later.
For my part, posting pics of mics other than the B5 and C4 is only in the interest of broadening the discussion.
freshmattyp
New member
There's only one way for you to be satisfied about this DJ, and that is to buy both mics, take them apart and see for yourself. Report your findings here, or keep them to yourself. Whatever works for you. It's the same old BS time an time again with you. Whenever your premise is invalidated, you resort to ad-hominem attacks on the questioner.
We (and you) know who Harvey is. If you want to know who I am, follow my web link or read my profile. It's all laid out in 16 bit color, along with samples of my work.
We don't know who you are or what you've done. Your profile is not very illuminating. Though judging by the amount of time you have to post here, I'd say you may soon be a "former small studio owner". While I'm at it, buy a frigging spell checker. As much as you like to edit your posts, you'd think you might check for basic grammer and spelling before hitting the reply button.
We (and you) know who Harvey is. If you want to know who I am, follow my web link or read my profile. It's all laid out in 16 bit color, along with samples of my work.
We don't know who you are or what you've done. Your profile is not very illuminating. Though judging by the amount of time you have to post here, I'd say you may soon be a "former small studio owner". While I'm at it, buy a frigging spell checker. As much as you like to edit your posts, you'd think you might check for basic grammer and spelling before hitting the reply button.
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DJL
Self Banned
Harvey Gerst said:
I'm sure you've had great friends Harvey, and I bet you still have good friends. One of my favorite old saying is "you've gotta be a friend to have a friend". I'm not out to get Alan, PMI, you, or anyone else... I do speak my mind tho, and say what I think. Listen Harvey, your a great asset to this bbs, you've helped all of us time in and time out again, and your help is still very much needed. There is no reason for you and I to argue, my "agenda" here (as you call it) is to learn about mics... learning how they work, what their made out of, how to make them, take them appart, fix them, make mods, learn about better mic electronics, capsules and etc, and for an old man you still have plenty of good life left in you to enjoy and if you enjoy helping me and others learn that's great... because I don't want to bicker with you either.
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DJL
Self Banned
freshmattyp said:
Hey crazydoc... freshmattyp is directing the above crap at you too.
crazydoc said:
freshmattyp, do you ever have anything useful or nice to say, no pics either I bet.
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acorec
Banned
There is a pretty simple (possible) explanation that eludes everyone. I am a design engineer who makes products (unrelated to audio). My company uses many contract manufacturers to build these products. Somebody, at some time, provided the mic company with gerber photoplot files, manufacturing BOMs and prints to do the electronics, the mechanicals etc. I understand that the C4s are pretty new. I understand that the Behringers are new also. Now, there are two ways to approach manufacturing (like mics). These chinese factories have some kind of standard product. Company A takes their standard product and makes changes. They then build it. Company B does the same thing. This is the cheapest way of making a product for sure. To make a totally ground up design takes a shitload of time and $$.
Both of these mics most likely started off life from the same set of prints. They look too similar, and being made by the same factory is suspect. I absolutely know what it takes to go from the ground up. There is no way that Behringer just copied SP. I contend that both mics started life as the same mic. There are just little mods to the machining and possibly the electronics. The only way to know is to crack them open. Then, the parts can be matched up and the changes will be evident.
Both of these mics most likely started off life from the same set of prints. They look too similar, and being made by the same factory is suspect. I absolutely know what it takes to go from the ground up. There is no way that Behringer just copied SP. I contend that both mics started life as the same mic. There are just little mods to the machining and possibly the electronics. The only way to know is to crack them open. Then, the parts can be matched up and the changes will be evident.
ausrock
Well-known member
QUOTE........."my "agenda" here (as you call it) is to learn about mics... learning how they work, what their made out of, how to make them, take them appart, fix them, make mods, learn about better mic electronics, capsules and etc,"
Aren't you forgetting the rest of it DJL?
Aren't you forgetting the rest of it DJL?
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DJL
Self Banned
Oh yeah, and to help people like you run their post count up on Fridays.ausrock said:QUOTE........."my "agenda" here (as you call it) is to learn about mics... learning how they work, what their made out of, how to make them, take them appart, fix them, make mods, learn about better mic electronics, capsules and etc,"
Aren't you forgetting the rest of it DJL?
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DJL
Self Banned
Aren't you forgetting the rest of it ausrock?ausrock said:For my part, posting pics of mics other than the B5 and C4 is only in the interest of broadening the discussion.
ausrock
Well-known member
Marik
Pro Microphone Design
<which mics most closely resemble it?>
MXL 603
MXL 603
Marik
Pro Microphone Design
Sorry, Double post
Marik
Pro Microphone Design
Hey DJL,
I've already proposed it ones... You ship the B5 to me and I post its pictures, draw schematics, see which components can be upgraded, how the grill can be improved, etc. How about that? Let's surprise everybody!
I've already proposed it ones... You ship the B5 to me and I post its pictures, draw schematics, see which components can be upgraded, how the grill can be improved, etc. How about that? Let's surprise everybody!
crazydoc
Master Baiter
DJL said:Hey crazydoc... freshmattyp is directing the above crap at you too.
I know, it's really diasppointing. Tell you what, DJ - buy the mics, send them to me, and I'll gladly disassemble them and take photos and post them. Then I'll send them back to you, you can record some samples on them and post the clips here, and we'll have some factual data to go by.
crazydoc
Master Baiter
Oops - sorry Marik - I guess we were posting at the same time. Actually DJ, send the B5 to Marik, and the C4 to me. We'll give you independent consultations.
Actually DJ, send the B5 to Marik, and the C4 to me. We'll give you independent consultations.
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Harvey Gerst
New member
Actually, it looks identical to the MXL 600, which has the same top slotted grille. The 603 does't have the same top grille.Marik said:
ausrock
Well-known member
Acorec,
Your hypothesis would be fine except for the fact that it was well documented long ago (relatively speaking) that PMI/Brent Casey was working on the design for a SD mic and that it appeared on the market some time before the Behringer. It's visual design would indicate that their had to be considerable re-tooling for the capsule section of the housing, which doesn't resemble 797's stock design, the machining of the main body isn't 797's stock design as the C4 (and B5) have the switching fitted. Unless someone can find evidence of an Asian manufacturer having stock mics similar to the C4 we have to assume that it is not just a modified off the shelf mic.
How Behringer convinced 797 to produce a clone of the C4 we can guess, but we will never know, but from their past record it comes as no surprise.
Your hypothesis would be fine except for the fact that it was well documented long ago (relatively speaking) that PMI/Brent Casey was working on the design for a SD mic and that it appeared on the market some time before the Behringer. It's visual design would indicate that their had to be considerable re-tooling for the capsule section of the housing, which doesn't resemble 797's stock design, the machining of the main body isn't 797's stock design as the C4 (and B5) have the switching fitted. Unless someone can find evidence of an Asian manufacturer having stock mics similar to the C4 we have to assume that it is not just a modified off the shelf mic.
How Behringer convinced 797 to produce a clone of the C4 we can guess, but we will never know, but from their past record it comes as no surprise.
Marik
Pro Microphone Design
<Originally posted by Marik
<which mics most closely resemble it?>
MXL 603
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Actually, it looks identical to the MXL 600, which has the same top slotted grille. The 603 does't have the same top grille.>
Harvey is always right!
<which mics most closely resemble it?>
MXL 603
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Actually, it looks identical to the MXL 600, which has the same top slotted grille. The 603 does't have the same top grille.>
Harvey is always right!