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Read "harsh".Marik said:
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DJL
Self Banned
Naw, those mics aren’t anything like the Studio Projects C4 and Behringer B5 mics. The Superlux CM-H8K has the interchangeable capsules... but no switch, and the Samson C02 is a cardioid capsule... and also has no switch. I’m trying to see your relation, are the CM-H8K and C02 made by 797 Audio? Both the Studio Projects C4 and Behringer B5 mics have the interchangeable capsules and the pad/filter switch. Also both the Studio Projects C4 and Behringer B5 are made by 797 Audio in China. Take another look at the B5 and C4 again... there are some small differences, but over all they're more like each other.Marik said:
Behringer B5
http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=B-5&lang=ENG&CFID=755006&CFTOKEN=22651977
Studio Projects C4
http://www.studioprojectsusa.com/c4.html
It looks like the CM-H8K is more like the Oktava MC-012... and the C02 is more like the Marshall MXL603S.
crazydoc
Master Baiter
This is all still just idle speculation without actually comparing the mics, both sonically and electronically. Can't someone with each mic post at least a photo of the circuit board?
Marik
Pro Microphone Design
<Naw, those mics aren’t anything like the Studio Projects C4 and Behringer B5 mics. The Superlux CM-H8K has the interchangeable capsules... but no switch, and the Samson C02 is a cardioid capsule... and also has no switch. I’m trying to see your relation, are the CM-H8K and C02 made by 797 Audio? Both the Studio Projects C4 and Behringer B5 mics have the interchangeable capsules and the pad/filter switch. Also both the Studio Projects C4 and Behringer B5 are made by 797 Audio in China. Take another look at the B5 and C4 again... there are some small differences, but over all they're more like each other.>
Don't take me wrong. By no means I implyed that they are similar to C4 or B5 or made by 797. Actually, I was just wondering if somebody knows were those were made, but probably it is a wrong thread. From some dealers Samson C02 comes with three interchangable capsules for additional $39 per capsule.
<It looks like the CM-H8K is more like the Oktava MC-012... and the C02 is more like the Marshall MXL603S.>
CMH8K and C02 look like identical twins.
Don't take me wrong. By no means I implyed that they are similar to C4 or B5 or made by 797. Actually, I was just wondering if somebody knows were those were made, but probably it is a wrong thread. From some dealers Samson C02 comes with three interchangable capsules for additional $39 per capsule.
<It looks like the CM-H8K is more like the Oktava MC-012... and the C02 is more like the Marshall MXL603S.>
CMH8K and C02 look like identical twins.
Rossi
New member
The Superlux mics are made by Tenlux, Taiwan. Judging by the name, it's their own brand, I guess. The Samson mics seem to be identical with the Superlux ones, except that the Samsons come as cardioid only. The capsules are screwed to the body and interchangeable, though. The capsules are 1/2 inch; the 603, C4 and the B5 have ca. 3/4 inch capsules (0.71 I think). The 603 is much larger than the C02; I had them side by side once. The C02 sounds brighter and "faster". The 603 has lower self noise. The C02 is an electret, the 603 is a true condenser.
One thing that seems strange to me: the 603's capsule is screwed to the body and theoretically interchangeable. Why doesn't someone, MXL in particular, offer additional capsules, e.g. omni?
One thing that seems strange to me: the 603's capsule is screwed to the body and theoretically interchangeable. Why doesn't someone, MXL in particular, offer additional capsules, e.g. omni?
Marik
Pro Microphone Design
Thank you Rossi. It was very informative.
ausrock
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ausrock
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Rossi
New member
I'm not sure about the Soundking one, but the TFpro mic looks like a 603 exept for the awful color, of course. I actually pointed out the TFpro mic to Wayne Freeman of MXL mics. He didn't tell we what he thought of it, though. But there seem to be differences between the TFpro mic and the MXL 603. The TFpro is supposed to have a transformer. The 603 is transformerless.
ausrock
Well-known member
The 603's don't have that front grille design, the "venting" slots on the TF appear to be machined deeper into the body than on a 603 and the seam where the XLR end joins is alsp more apparent on the TF.
Knowing that there are at least 4 manufacturers, (797, Soundking, Fielo and Tenlux.......I think you also have MXL claiming to have their own plant in China) and the propensity for the Asian habit of blatant design poaching between those manufacturers I wouldn't even try and guess who is making what for whom.
Knowing that there are at least 4 manufacturers, (797, Soundking, Fielo and Tenlux.......I think you also have MXL claiming to have their own plant in China) and the propensity for the Asian habit of blatant design poaching between those manufacturers I wouldn't even try and guess who is making what for whom.
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DJL
Self Banned
Because I think there are some people on this bbs who want to cover up the possible fact that the Behringer B5 and Studio Projects C4 are pretty much the same mic... and I think some are posting pictures of other mics that aren't anything like the B5 or C4 as a smoke screen.crazydoc said:
And if you keep asking about the Behringer B5 and Studio Projects C4 they'll talk more about other mics and start calling you the rain man.
Now with that said... I agree and wish someone would post the pictures too!!!
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Sklathill
Soundcard Junkie
I honestly think that's just dumb. You seriously think that that many people are so heavily invested in SP that they care whether certain information does or does not get into the hands of the public? I'm betting some guys out there just don't want to open up their mics and get it exposed to the elements, and maybe some guys really don't know how to open it up. (I know for a long time with me the latter was the case. I didn't realize with all those SDCs that the screws should be screwed INTO the thing rather than out to take off the casing...) Now I know all my mics around here are quite easy to take apart, but there's still that ounce of worry that something will go awry.
I'd love to show pics of these things. Unfortunately I don't have either mic. (Really!)
I'm impressed that you seem to think there is some duty upon us to fill this information void. I personally think doing something like that goes above and beyond what is expected on here... anywhere, actually, with regards to anything. (Within the context of this type of message board, at least...)
(I personally think a microphone innards website would be great. Somewhere where people can go to when they have burning questions like: Hey! I'm seeing this Takstar/Pacific Pro Audio/Red5/insert unfamiliar brand name here microphone...that's basically the Superlux mic, right? Or was that a Feilo? And then they can check the page to confirm all that, possibly look at photos, maybe see component listings...)
(Dammit, now I want to make that website! ARGH!)
(And why am I putting everything in parentheses?)
(In any case, DJL, I think you're guess is way off. Of course, all anyone has are guesses until someone puts real hard information. So far the closest has been Flatpicker, but still nothing considering PCB design or whatnot. I personally think that we'll see they really aren't the same; I think if they were sufficiently close enough, Alan would have dropped 797 as a partner for doing that... but that's just me and my guess, reinforced by Alan's assurance that "it is a different capsule and thickness, and different electronics.")
I'd love to show pics of these things. Unfortunately I don't have either mic. (Really!)
I'm impressed that you seem to think there is some duty upon us to fill this information void. I personally think doing something like that goes above and beyond what is expected on here... anywhere, actually, with regards to anything. (Within the context of this type of message board, at least...)
(I personally think a microphone innards website would be great. Somewhere where people can go to when they have burning questions like: Hey! I'm seeing this Takstar/Pacific Pro Audio/Red5/insert unfamiliar brand name here microphone...that's basically the Superlux mic, right? Or was that a Feilo? And then they can check the page to confirm all that, possibly look at photos, maybe see component listings...)
(Dammit, now I want to make that website! ARGH!)
(And why am I putting everything in parentheses?)
(In any case, DJL, I think you're guess is way off. Of course, all anyone has are guesses until someone puts real hard information. So far the closest has been Flatpicker, but still nothing considering PCB design or whatnot. I personally think that we'll see they really aren't the same; I think if they were sufficiently close enough, Alan would have dropped 797 as a partner for doing that... but that's just me and my guess, reinforced by Alan's assurance that "it is a different capsule and thickness, and different electronics.")
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DJL
Self Banned
Thank goodness it's Friday... well Sklathill, your most likely right about some of that, but I bet the B5 and C4 are more alike than some would like to admit. Anyway, without the pictures this thread pretty much dead.
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CanopuS
Amateur music since 1847
DJL, not meant as an attacking question, but purely asking:
What would make you happier?
A - The mic pictures were VERY similar
B - The pictures showed obvious design differences
To me it seems like you just want some kind of conspiracy to become true
What would make you happier?
A - The mic pictures were VERY similar
B - The pictures showed obvious design differences
To me it seems like you just want some kind of conspiracy to become true
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Harvey Gerst
New member
Damn DJL,DJL said:
This is really getting old. Can we say "a•gen•da"? What exactly does "pretty much the same mic" mean? Hell, the MXL 603S and a Neumann KM184 are also "pretty much the same mic". So what? If you're really convinced that they're almost identical, and you need a small diaphragm mic like that, go out and buy one or two.
But this shit about "the possible fact that they are pretty much the same mic" is just annoying, since it's only your unsubstantiated claim at this point and nothing more. I've never heard either one, and I suspect you haven't either. I've stayed out of it because I haven't heard them, but it doesn't seem to stop you from making wildly opinionated assertions, based on "a possible fact".
Let me state something as "possible facts": You have taken on singlehandedly, the task of damaging the reputation of PMI (and Alan Hyatt specifically) as much as you possibly can. Further, you have absolutely no intention of ever buying any of PMI's products, either now, or in the future. Your single purpose in these threads is not to gather information about their products to help you make an informed buying decision, but to gather evidence against them to discredit them in any way you can. Those are my "possible facts".
As to why you're doing it, I'll leave that to others to speculate about. It's annoying as hell to me. I don't even own any PMI products, except a VTB-1, which I found to be a decent product for some applications. But, if I were to buy an SP mic, it wouldn't be based on your wild, unfounded allegations; I'd simply try one and see if it did the job I needed it to do. I'd also go out and try the Behringers as well.
If you can't contribute anything but unfounded speculations and unsubstantiated "possible facts", just shut up about it till you know a little more, then contribute something worthwhile about these products. Your "a•gen•da" is showing.
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DJL
Self Banned
No shit Harevy, you know what’s getting really old, you Harvey, your getting really old. What do I mean by “pretty much the same mic” ? It means just what I and some of the other having been saying all along in this thread... it means, a copycat microphone that has been made to look just different enough not to draw heat onto 797 Audio.Harvey Gerst said:
By the way, I was trying to find your name on the Jimi Hendrix records and etc, and I don’t see your name listed in the credits, what records did you work on and what did you do again?
Oh yeah, back to the subject, both the Behringer B5 and Studio Projects C4 look very much like each other, and they both have the interchangeable capsules, and they both have the pad/filter switch, and they are both made by 797 Audio in China... and this is why I and others here on this mic bbs thought it would be interesting to find out more about these mics and see pictures of the insides of both. If you’ve got pictures post them, if you got something to contribute to this subject please speak up... but, if your just here to attack me... fuck you if you think I’m going to take crap from you or anyone else.
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DJL
Self Banned
Good question, and I haven't thought much about that... I think I've just been more curious than anything else. However, now that you asked and I've given it some thought... I think it would be fun if they had the same PCB with different componemts, so we could study them and learn from them.CanopuS said:DJL, not meant as an attacking question, but purely asking:
What would make you happier?
A - The mic pictures were VERY similar
B - The pictures showed obvious design differences
To me it seems like you just want some kind of conspiracy to become true
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Harvey Gerst
New member
DJL said:
I won't even bother to comment on your other crap, but to set the record straight about my involvement with Jimi Hendrix, I have never stated or claimed anywhere at any time that I was involved in the production of any Jimi Hendrix albums.
I designed four of Jimi's amplifiers, which he used in the making of his album at TTG Studios in LA, and he also wound up with my Black Widow guitar while I used one of his Strats for a number of months until I could get another guitar built. He also ordered a second Black Widow guitar.
I met him at TTG Studios when he was having problems understanding some of the amplifier controls, and as two left-handed guitar players, we hit it off. I considered him a friend, but we were never close.
Back in 1996, I posted a full description of this particular event in my life and a simple Google search (by just entering: "harvey gerst" "jimi hendrix") would have brought up the whole story as I just described it.
But you seem to want to twist it in such a way as to suggest I'm either a liar or it didn't really happen.
At least, I've done some things with my life - you just need to get one.
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Han
New member
DJL said:
How right you are. They also look like AKG C451's, KM84's (different color), Sanken CU31/32's and probably another hundred SDC's.
So, what's the big deal here?
Many cars look very much alike these days as well.
And hey bro, you better keep that hatchet buried...................oops!
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DJL
Self Banned
My mistake, your right you only saidHarvey Gerst said:
and you never said you ever did anything more than just hangout with them... no wonder I couldn't find your name listed in the credits. Sorry, my mistake.Harvey Gerst said:
"I won't even bother to comment on your other crap"
Not even a little comment about the subject of this thread... like the fact that "both the Behringer B5 and Studio Projects C4 look very much like each other, and they both have the interchangeable capsules, and they both have the pad/filter switch, and they are both made by 797 Audio in China... and this is why I and others here on this mic bbs thought it would be interesting to find out more about these mics and see pictures of the insides of both."