Behringer and the hits keep coming...

[_brian_]

Lol if they try hard to copy someone else and do a great job at this, why would I bother spending twice or thrice on a subtle difference .

I didn't say behringer did a good job nevermind a great job what i'm saying is that their target market are very much pointed in the direction of the beginner, and beginners (me included not so long ago) don't really have the experiance to tell whether something is good or not. If I had bought the mackie from the start I wouldn't have had to have bought the eurorack!! Just now I'm an inexperianced drummer as I'm just really starting out acoustically. A more experianced drummer would be able to tell straight away whether a cymbal was crap or not, but I on the other hand would find it more difficult. There is some ok gear at the low end but you have to sift through all the crap to find it!!

I had to buy an EQ pedal couple of months ago so I went to my local guitar shop and tried Boss GE-7 and Behringer EQ700 . The only thing Boss had better was the faders control - but that's one thing you set up once and don't need to touch again. Otherwise these were two equally good pedals, one for 40 bucks, another for almost 200.

Do you not think the build quality was better with the boss pedal? Effects pedals are a little different as well, I use a dod punkifier because it sounds terrible - but it's that terrible sound I'm looking for! In a mixer I look for something a little different

 

[Mish]

I didn't say behringer did a good job nevermind a great job what i'm saying is that their target market are very much pointed in the direction of the beginner, and beginners (me included not so long ago) don't really have the experiance to tell whether something is good or not. If I had bought the mackie from the start I wouldn't have had to have bought the eurorack!! Just now I'm an inexperianced drummer as I'm just really starting out acoustically. A more experianced drummer would be able to tell straight away whether a cymbal was crap or not, but I on the other hand would find it more difficult. There is some ok gear at the low end but you have to sift through all the crap to find it!!

Well, I agree with that - at the end of the day I'm just a beginner myself.

They have a great strategy though with this, Behringer Corp. Same way like Volkswagen started aiming at the people with less income who couldn't afford higher brand cars - and now their revenue is higher than that of BMW. I'm pretty sure at some point Behringer will out-run Mackie and others financially, and then they'll be sufficient enough to start developing and selling high-end equipment for obviously much higher price.

 

[superspit]

Had my MX8000A for 2 years now.....farkin' love it.
Had my V-Amp Pro for 18 months now.....farkin' love it.
Had my Ultramiser and Vitualisers(x2) and MDX4600 for 18 months.....farkin great little units.
Had my Truth 2031P monitors....farkin' love them. (once I worked out they're a little on the bright side)
Had my flashy new Intel P35 chipset PC with dual-core for 4months......I want my old AMD system back....oh and my Ibanez TS-9 (why the fark did I sell that?)

Hey, as long as you're recording, and more times than not you are smiling during a mixdown, you're on winner....umm...I figure.

 

[Mish]

Had my V-Amp Pro for 18 months now.....farkin' love it.

I hear ya, brutha !

 

[treechrist66]

You have been burnt by Thomann my friend.....

After seeing how they have dealt with two of my friends on seperate occassions I would be very loathed to ever buy from them in the future. I've heard so many complaints about these guys. I could go into details, but its not worth it.

1) Never buy from Thomann.

2) Contact your local consumer complaints authority. Thomann should owe you money for the faulty speaker.

3) Never buy from Thomann. They suck.


Experience. Thats all you can put it down to I'm afraid.

Neil

just want to add my gripe! I bought a preamp from Thomann 4 weeks ago. it arrived totally destroyed due to poor manufacturer packaging and whoever packed it at Thomann did a lousy job too. The boxed unit was sliding around everywhere in the way over-sized carton they packed it in. Needless to say it was destroyed. Knobs were all busted. I sent it back the next day and then they sent a message it had been received.

One week later I got an email that they were sending a new unit out. I received it and noticed how well packed it was, and when I opened it, I was horrified to see they sent the original damaged unit back to me. Another week and numerous phone calls and emails to every department they have and all I received was one email from Customer Service that said, "sorry a ups pickup will be arranged, you will be contacted within four days and then you must call UPS and work it out with them." There was also a warning in the mail that my returned package must be packed really well so as to not cause any damage to the return.


I threatened them (I've been a loyal customer for years) that I would take my business elsewhere. They don't care. That is the feeling that I get. I found a new dealer in Hamburg which I hope will solve my problems.

Today I received a new unit from Thomann and despite it also being packed poorly, it works.

No more Thomann for me.

 

[stevieb]

This seems to have morphed, a bit, into a Who Gives Good Support thread. So be it. I have had good support on very little things from two companies:

Peavey sent me TWO tube holders for a DB-210, for free, when I called to order one.

Samson sent me as many knobs as I needed (about 6) for a mixer-amp, when I called to inquire about the cost of them. Also free.

But ART wanted to charge me an outragious amount for the little snap-in light jewels (these things are one-piece plastic, smaller than a typical BB- they can not cost much to produce.)

 

[kojdogg]

Lol if they try hard to copy someone else and do a great job at this, why would I bother spending twice or thrice on a subtle difference .

I've owned a number of Behringer units in the past-- couple of Xenyx mixers, a Eurorack mixer, a Voice Channel strip, a T1953 Ultragain, a TO800 and some of the counterparts and the difference was not subtle IME. For example comparing the Xenyx mixer pres to the Onyx mixer pres, the Xenyx mixer pres were significantly more noisy. The T1953 sounded like complete garbage compared to an ART MPA Gold (not sure if that is what it was copied from, but they are similar in form/function)-- harsh and distorted.

I will admit, that I did like the TO800. I have a nicer tube screamer type pedal now (MJM Blues Devil), but the TO800 isn't bad. Incidentally, two screwdrivers is the way to go.

I wonder how many of you disslike Behringer products really just because they're made in Germany

They're made in China not Germany. Most people seem to dislike Behringer products because of questionable quality control, the intellectual property piracy aspects of their "R&D" process, or reportedly high failure rate.

 

[Toker41]

Not commonly known, but Mackie started using parts made in China a few years ago without passing any of the savings (or knowledge of the change) to the customers.

I've used Behringer mixers for years, and love them (UB 2442FX Pro). Alex Lifeson from Rush has Behringer gear in his rack, and to me, that speaks volumes. The V-amp Pro is FAR better than the much more expensive line6 pod pro, and much more versatile (I've owned both, and kicked any Line6 equipment I've had to the curb in a short time). Like any other company, Behringer makes good stuff, and also makes some crap.....just like Mackie.

 

[Supercreep]

Alex Lifeson from Rush has Behringer gear in his rack

..................Show me.

 

[zed32]

Most people seem to dislike Behringer products because of questionable quality control, the intellectual property piracy aspects of their "R&D" process, or reportedly high failure rate.

or cuz they suck.

 

[superspit]

I own the Ultra-Spiritualizer 32192.......and I reckon that rocks.

 

[apratsunrthd]

This thread has officially lasted longer than most Behringer equipment.

But seriously, they've got some decent sounding stuff but everything of theirs I've owned has failed with what any would consider light use. Buy cheap, buy twice.

 

[mattkw80]

I've bought around 5 Behringer items.

1 item was ok.

4 item's sucked.

Not going to buy anymore... I just can't trust it.


Want to see something funny? Check out the RF interference this amp picks up during a review !!

http://www.gearwire.com/bugera-333xl-02.html

 

[Yonce N Mild]

I love my behringer A500 studio amp. My 20/20s sound nice tight and clean with the A500 pushing them, plus it has no fan so it's quiet.
My XENYX 2442FX is awesome. No mixer in that price range comes anywhere close to the routing options that thing offers. 8 direct outs 4 subgroups 4 aux sends per channel.
When my band was getting started both guitarists played through V-Amps into the PA because their practice amps couldn't keep up with the drums. We still use a Bass V-Amp direct into the PA for bass. (Behringer speakers for the PA.)

I don't know where my band would be without Behringer products. The price difference between Behringer and other brands is absurd. If we waited until we could afford "better" equipment we would still be saving our pennies for our PA. They definitely fill a need by bringing low priced items of decent quality to the masses. They have lowered the price of entry for a lot of people and I applaud them for it.

 

[Toker41]

..................Show me.

Alex's rig:

1 Furman Power Conditioner PL-80
2 Behringer Splitter / Mixer Ultralink MX662
4 Audio Technica UHF Receiver AEW5200
1 Audio Technica UHF Antenna Distro. AEWDA660D
1 Behringer Multi-Effects Virtualizer Pro DSP2024P
1 Custom Audio Japan System Power Supply AC0912
1 Furman Power Conditioner PL-Plus
1 Dunlop Cry Baby DCR-1SR
2 Custom Audio Japan Midi Vol. Controller GCVA-2
1 T.C. Chorus / Flanger 1210
1 Behringer Multigate Pro XR4400
2 Digital Music Corp. Looper/Switcher GCX
3 Behringer Splitter / Mixer MX602
4 T.C. Multi Effects Processor G-Force
1 Excel Electronics 4 Way Guitar Splitter Custom Made
3 Palmer Speaker Simulator PDI-03
2 Palmer Speaker Simulator PDI-05
2 Hughes & Kettner Rotosphere
2 Hughes & Kettner Amplifier Zentera
2 Hughes & Kettner Amplifier Triamp
1 Hughes & Kettner Amplifier Zenamp
4 PRS Electric Guitars
3 Gibson Les Paul’s
1 Fender Telecaster
1 Gibson S.G.
1 Gibson 355
1 Gibson Double Neck 6/12 String
1 Gibson Acoustic J-150
1 Taylor Acoustic CE-612
1 Epiphone Masterbilt Acoustic
1 Beat Up Tired Rody

Go to Rush.com and look under "band" it gives his gear list.

 

[recording 101]

I own a couple ULTRA-G Active direct boxes, A 4 channel PowerPlay ProXL Headphone Amp, A 2 Channel TUBE COMPOSER (Compressor / Limter), and a ADA 8000 Preamp Strip (8 Pre-amps with A/D D/A converters with optical I/O. They have all been great pieces of equipment and plan on continuing to use them til they need to be replaced.

I know there are a lot of reviews out there about them just lasting a month or two and I am sure that in this price range that will happen, but for them to continue to sell to people like me and for so many of them to work as well as they do, they must have at least, a pretty decent quality control policy.

They way I look at it with electronics is, most companies only give you a 1 year warranty anyway whether it is expenxsive or not. If it lasts that long, it is probably going to last quite awhile. If the piece of equipment is doing a good job, I'd rather lose $200 dollars five years later when it quits working than $1000.
just my opinion.
And Yes, I DO own expensive equipment too. LOTS of it.....just ask my wife!!!

 

[wilmout]

Just wanna check my profile ...

Just wanna check my profile ...

 

[kylehughes1@mac]

This thread has officially lasted longer than most Behringer equipment.

no kidding...

i have a behringer mixer, its small and pretty solid, but for the most part, not worth the money. faders and knobs begin to bend and come off. not cool.

believe it or not, daft punk uses the one good product behringer makes! i can't remember what its called, but at the top of their pyramid of gear, everything is controlled by a behringer product! oh, and have you seen behringer's work in guitars? usb guitars.

 

[superspit]

This thread has officially lasted longer than most Behringer equipment.
..........................
cheap, buy twice.

mmmmmm.....no.....my Behri stuff is still going strong, and I own a lot of their shit, it appears to be breading.

But then again, I look after my stuff, (and I keep knuckle-heads away from it!!), and it stays only in the home-studio, mainly in the form of rackmounted outboards, and my MX8000A desk.

I've had expensive name brands fail on me, and that pissed me off even moreso.. and that I can't hear the difference in my Virtualizer Pro's reverb/delay and that of an overly priced 'boutique' unit?....just cements it for me.

But as has been previously suggested/stated, I'm not sure that I'd go live/touring with the stuff ....maybe that's why I don't have an issue.

oh shit....and I promised myself to stay away from this farking thread.

Anyways, Cheers guys...

PS....I love my Alesis SR-18 which I just got!......soz, just so happy with it!

 

[jasonbmerrill]

i have behringer gear from 1999 still going strong