Audition 1.5!

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Hi Jim - okay I found it. The reason I didn't notice it the first time I went there was because it was greyed out - it isn't an option on my system apparently. Not only that, but if I click on Help, I get a screen shot of Device Properties without the 'Try as WDM' option, but in the Supported Formats window, there's something called WDM 'Extensible' Supported at the bottom of the list.
 
You do have to have WDM drivers! If you have Win95/98 you can't. If you have 98SE or ME, you might not. 2000 or XP and you will have.

When a program is using WDM/KS, it has to take over the Windows sound system. Cakewalk have a "share drivers with other programs" option so that Sonar/HS etc releases the Windows sound while they are stopped. There is no such option in CEP/Audition so I don't know what its behaviour is. More importantly, what happens if another audio program is already open, or loaded in the System Tray? Something like Winamp or Real Player could be preventing the program from using WDM/KS.

IpDeluxe...
By default, CEP/Audition installs with one stereo in and out - the same in Edit and Multitrack views. You have to select any extra channels your card has in the Options plus the order it assigns them to multitrack tracks and which one of those the Edit view uses. Do your cards other channels not appear as options anywhere?
I seem to remember though that CEP2.1 introduced a new detection system so that it assigned all your sound channels on install automatically, I don't know if that works if you install the card AFTER the program.
 
I have selected all the Terratec inputs in Options/Device Order and they show up in each track's R select window. All 8 tracks will play back independently (verifiable by routing each one to a separate channel on my mixer) but only 1L and 1R will record. I sent an email to Terratec support but haven't gotten a response. I used the same model card with the previous incarnation of this setup [had a bad meltdown in February and had to completely rebuild] with Win9SE and it recorded on all channels. The new one is running XP. Today I plan to "try as WDM" & see what happens. It can't hurt. Luckily all of my recording up until now has been no more than 2 tracks at a time but I've got a bluegrass band wanting to record all together.

At one point I had 2 Terratecs installed and CEP recognized all 16 channels but unless I selected 1L/1R it wouldn't record.

I installed the card after installing the software. I'm not sure of my options there since I had CEP2.0 and downloaded Adobe's free upgrade, which has now disappeared off their website. Since I'm not in my studio at the moment I don't know where it's saved...but if the installation order would make a difference I'll give it a try.
 
Jim Y: no change. I uninstalled/reinstalled CEP and it still only records on 1L&R. I tried checking "Try as WDM" and that kept it from recording at all!
 
dam, the main reason i chose sonar over cool edit is sonar's ability to use rewire. I still have both though i havn't completely abandoned ship. i use rewire with sonar and reason, works like a charm. I also found this neat little app that lets me use cool edit inside of sonar. My system is integrated and runs smooth, man i love technology. don't think i'll shell out for the upgrade though.
 
"...if you're not interested in video, it's something you're paying for (and which Adobe is taking time to develop instead of audio improvements).

---> It signals a shift in their target audience."

--dobro


i think dobro kicked the red-headed stepchild squarely and hilariously down the stairs this time. the asio concerns and countless AUDIO improvements they could be making are of secondary importance. their first goal is to tap into a new market to advance their evil capitalistic agenda and you really can't blame them. but i jumped off the cooledit boat when i tried a multitracker designed specifically for audio recording and was blown away by its general coolness and justified hype. the name of that program is MTV Music Factory 9000 used by such recording legends as bob ludwig and the lead keyboardist from loverboy

cooledit is still a nice program and i can't see it getting any worse... but it's gonna take even longer to get better now. they're throwing useless crap in front of audio-only people like most of us who are still probably their core clientel
 
Now, you mention it, I remember having something like this problem with multitrack recording.
After much hair pulling I right clicked on the meter bar at the bottom and checked "Show Meters for all Devices".
Magically, recording worked.

I have both Audition and Sonar. If Audition had midi I don't think I'd use Sonar. As it is, I'm not entirely happy with Sonars midi side - it's messy and not too well thought out especially if you have a lot of midi ports and modules. Timing isn't always that good either.
Recently, I've been recording my midi sounds straight into audio tracks. As long as my timing isn't bad and I've got the key and tempo right its quicker and easier than recording to midi first - and the editing you can do in audio makes comping out mistakes so easy - the main reason I recorded to midi in the first place.

I've pre-ordered the Audition upgrade. As it evolves, I think it might eventually become my first call program. As it is, it's still my favorite sound editor.
 
If VST support includes full automation that would be cool - This upgrade should be about $25 though - they're just goofin around it looks like to me unless there are more details to the announcement somewhere.

They are and have been capabale of powerful mid/side manipulations - instead of documenting this powerful mastering technique they go for the 'remove center channel for a better Karoake experience crap'. Fine

I'll have to think about the upgrade - I use Sonar 75% and Cool Edit 20% and walk around the room 5%...hehe :D
 
I think that it is definately worth more than $25... Cmon just because you want one upgrade doesn't mean theyre not working on it... Also look at everything there, im sure they changed something big in the core of the program because it wont run on win98 anymore

RonC
 
I think they're just trying to target a dumber audience. You know, people who aren't savvy enough to crack their software and share it with millions, lol.
 
Does anyone know if the upgrade can be applied on an educational version of AA 1.0? I looked on the Adobe site, but it's not the easiest thing to navigate.
 
I believe if you were able to register what you have the upgrade would work.
 
dobro said:
Okay, let's have your thoughts on some of this stuff - here's the list of features in 1.5:

"Integrated CD burning
Create quick reference masters of your compositions by burning gapless audio CDs directly from Adobe Audition."

Yeah, yeah. Don't mind.

"ReWire support
Stream full-resolution audio data in real time between Adobe Audition and other audio software such as Propellerhead Reason and Ableton Live."

Okay, what does 'stream...in real time' mean? Does it mean you can have both applications open at the same time and working on the same file? Cuz that's one of the biggest headaches for me working with Fruity Loops and Cool Edit - I have to close one down before the other one plays.

"VST plug-in support
Expand your options with integrated support for third-party VST effects, which can also be used in Adobe Premiere® Pro software."

Yes!

"Frequency space editing
Visually isolate and select sounds in frequency and time using a marquee selection tool in the spectral editing view, and then clean up, modify, or apply effects to the selected sound."

WTF is this about? How is this different from what we have now - highlight and apply the effect? If it's in spectral view, this suggests it's a kind of sloppy frequency selector, right?

"Pitch correction
Correct off-pitch performances and create pitch-based effects using the new pitch correction effects. Use the automatic mode for quick results or the manual mode for precise control."

This is nice, but it'll depend on its quality, right? Will it be as good as Autotune?

"Enhanced support for video
Edit video soundtracks more easily with the ability to view video frames in the Timeline and import a wide range of file formats, including AVI, native DV, MPEG, and WMV."

I figured this would come. But if you're not interested in video, it's something you're paying for (and which Adobe is taking time to develop instead of audio improvements). It signals a shift in their target audience.

"Clip time stretching
Visually drag the edge of any audio clip in a multitrack mix to fit a specific length of time with or without affecting the clip's pitch; this is ideal for making sound effects and dialog fit a given video clip."

Again, video is their imagined application.

"Automatic click/pop elimination
Quickly and easily restore digital recordings of vinyl source material, wireless mikes, DV cameras, and other production audio."

Again, they're targeting people who weren't raised on Cool Edit and its excellent click/pop handling.

"New sample sessions
Get up to speed quickly by using any of the 20 sample sessions included with Adobe Audition, or modify the sample sessions to create your own music."

Get up to speed quickly? WTF? Modify the sample sessions to create your own music? Gimme a break. This is aimed at people who don't know how to record or edit music, right?

"Vocal/instrumental extraction
Reduce the vocal or instrumental portions of a track and create a cappella and karaoke-ready tracks while preserving the stereo image with the new Center Channel Extractor tool."

Oh fuck off.

"New royalty-free loops
Create your own music using more than 500 new production music loops — for a total of more than 5,000 — in a variety of styles including '70s disco, rumba, and loops for weddings and events."

Loops for weddings and events? They're aiming this at Joe Schmoe with a video cam in his mitts and a complete lack of technique, right?

"Save custom keyboard shortcuts
Create customized keyboard shortcut sets to suit your working style."

What? Like we can't do that already?

"Flexible envelope scaling
Rescale points on pan, volume, and effect envelopes to make changes to a clip in a multitrack mix. Scale all points while maintaining relative or absolute relationships between points"

Hm? Is this something we can't do already?

Okay, my impression is that they're trying to widen their user base: they're adding really useful things like pitch correction and VST for people like us to keep us on board, and taking what's already there and marketing it as if it's new for the sake of people who want it for home video work. There's *very little* that's actually video stuff in 1.5. But all that 'loop and session' bullshit just insults the product. Wankers.
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AMEN!

Could not have said it better myself. Aside from the lack of ASIO, theres no bus flexibility,.,.i.e. the ablity to route a track to as many dif busses as you want. Every other program can do that, including N-track and ACID and many that are much cheaper. Its so simple yet so important.

Anyway though I still use audition/CEP for some projects (bec I spent years with it and can work really fast with it) I upgraded to samplitude 7.2 several months ago and obviously it stomps on audition. It is everything AA could be if syntrillium/adobe had been aiming at the pro crowd. In fact, sam 7 draws alot of its functionality and ease of use from AA/CEP and has alot more in common with CEP in terms of layout and how it names and categorizes stuff than sonar, cubase, nuendo or pro tools.
 
"I upgraded to samplitude 7.2 several months ago and obviously it stomps on audition. It is everything AA could be if syntrillium/adobe had been aiming at the pro crowd."

That's a pretty interesting comment. What's that about? What's Samplitude 7.2 got that Audition 1.5 doesn't? It's got ASIO and pitch shifting. What else?
 
dobro said:
"I upgraded to samplitude 7.2 several months ago and obviously it stomps on audition. It is everything AA could be if syntrillium/adobe had been aiming at the pro crowd."

That's a pretty interesting comment. What's that about? What's Samplitude 7.2 got that Audition 1.5 doesn't? It's got ASIO and pitch shifting. What else?
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If you've never used Samp, I'd suggest you try it out, at least the demo version.

I cut my teeth on CEP but have since moved on to Samp. I can't say what makes it sound better, but just as an experiment, I'd ask you to try this: Set up the .wavs from a CEP session in Samp. Use the same effects, or a native equivalent. The samp session will just sound better. Why? I don't know, you'd think that it wouldn't matter. But it does.

The object editor in Samplitude is a big benefit. Very superior native effects is another. Native VST and VSTi support is another. The little tool that converts Samp VIP's to a ProTools format for mastering is another. Extensive MIDI support (I never thought I'd need it, either!!!) is another. External mixer / controller support is another.

I could go on, but the bottom line is this: It just sounds better. Way better.

At $299 for Audition and ~$349 for Samp 7 Classic Academic Edition, the choice is rather obvious in my book.
 
Alas, for me it's $69 for the AA upgrade...now I find out what ASIO does and AA doesn't do it!

Please help me, I'm falllllllllllllllllling
 
I've always figured that the huge lag I always experience when tracking with Cool 2.0 was due to the fact that although my soundcard has ASIO, the program doesn't. I think a little practical research is in order...
 
Dobro, I don't know if it could be that. My setup (apart from CEP) is ASIO capable but there's very little latency. Perhaps it's because I'm using a digital mixer and the A/D conversion is done there, rather than at the computer? I don't know that either.
 
It really doesn't make sense to me. There's no lag when I use Cool 1.2. When I use 2.1, the lag's so big, I can hear it. Something in 2.1 doesn't like the drivers on my soundcard.
 
Hmmm....maybe it's too close to your water heater...



Or not close enough.
 
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