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Polaris20
Active member
Rewire kicks ass!! I am so excited. THis will make things so much easier for me (if it works right).
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Chrisjob
New member
I guess I should upgrade from 2.1 to Audition in case I wanna get on some of these upgrades. Does anybody have the link to download the update?
ChrisHarris, I think that ASIO are a type of drivers, like WDM.
ChrisHarris, I think that ASIO are a type of drivers, like WDM.
lpdeluxe
The Precision Bass Guy
I don't see the free upgrade at Adobe's website. Guess you'll have to do a search...
OK, I looked at it and the 1.5 upgrade price is good for CEP 2.x as well as Adobe Audition 1.0 so you don't need the free upgrade. They say 1.5 will ship in late May.
OK, I looked at it and the 1.5 upgrade price is good for CEP 2.x as well as Adobe Audition 1.0 so you don't need the free upgrade. They say 1.5 will ship in late May.
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Chrisjob
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Thanks for checking-
I'll probably wait for 1.7 or 2.0 unless I get a huge new project that I'll need the updates. I guess it all depends on how my summer is gonna look.
-Chris
I'll probably wait for 1.7 or 2.0 unless I get a huge new project that I'll need the updates. I guess it all depends on how my summer is gonna look.
-Chris
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rpc9943
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those are the noteworthy major changes... there are more changes to the interface and other things that will improve the overall program- so dont be disenchanted by the marketting hype. Also the vocal remover is far more than that. Read this post from the adobe forum to see another look at the upgrade:
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?13@251.mqbLcoIWs6J.0@.3bb3c5be/12
also be patient about the midi/vst and asio issue. Im sure its a huge programming change because audition/cooledit has been based on wdm structure. If you don't think getting vst effects, voice tuner, and a frequency space selection tool will assist you, then tough luck. You can't find a deal this cheap anywhere.
RonC
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?13@251.mqbLcoIWs6J.0@.3bb3c5be/12
also be patient about the midi/vst and asio issue. Im sure its a huge programming change because audition/cooledit has been based on wdm structure. If you don't think getting vst effects, voice tuner, and a frequency space selection tool will assist you, then tough luck. You can't find a deal this cheap anywhere.
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dobro
Well-known member
"You can't find a deal this cheap anywhere"
Possibly. It depends how good it as and how well it works.
Possibly. It depends how good it as and how well it works.
lpdeluxe
The Precision Bass Guy
Actually I went ahead and preordered mine.
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CavityCr33p
New member
I don't understand the no Asio yet. I mean, Audition is one of the most simple progs to use, if it had asio, they would definately pick up alot of new users.
chrisharris
King of Bling
Okay, this is driving me nuts now. I guess it makes sense that it's hard to get a clear understanding of the "magic" of ASIO from a CEP forum, since the 2 do not play nice together, but if somebody knows and can tell me what ASIO is/does and why it's so cool, I'd appreciate it. If it's a just a MIDI thing, then just tell me that like lpdeluxe did, lol.CavityCr33p said:
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perottol
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Something I found:
"As computers become more commonplace in recording and home project studios, so does the demand for faster, more responsive sound cards to work in these systems. A sound card is expected to enhance the recording process by handling many jobs at once. At any given time it’s expected to be recording audio from a single or multiple inputs, playing back audio from multiple sources such as audio from the hard drive or virtual synthesizer instruments, and doing it all in a synchronous manner keeping in step with MIDI or other time dependent devices. These requirements are steep and often leave an ill-equipped system at a grinding halt.
In order to create a more direct path to the hardware, and also make the hardware more responsive to the software’s needs, Steinberg of Germany (developer of the popular Cubase digital sequencer and Nuendo digital audio workstation) developed Audio Stream In/Out (ASIO) technology. ASIO has made its mark as the driver standard for delivering low-latency transfer of digital audio. This means that hardware supporting an ASIO driver is able to deliver low-latency recording and monitoring to hard disk."
"As computers become more commonplace in recording and home project studios, so does the demand for faster, more responsive sound cards to work in these systems. A sound card is expected to enhance the recording process by handling many jobs at once. At any given time it’s expected to be recording audio from a single or multiple inputs, playing back audio from multiple sources such as audio from the hard drive or virtual synthesizer instruments, and doing it all in a synchronous manner keeping in step with MIDI or other time dependent devices. These requirements are steep and often leave an ill-equipped system at a grinding halt.
In order to create a more direct path to the hardware, and also make the hardware more responsive to the software’s needs, Steinberg of Germany (developer of the popular Cubase digital sequencer and Nuendo digital audio workstation) developed Audio Stream In/Out (ASIO) technology. ASIO has made its mark as the driver standard for delivering low-latency transfer of digital audio. This means that hardware supporting an ASIO driver is able to deliver low-latency recording and monitoring to hard disk."
chrisharris
King of Bling
thanks perottol - I think I understand now.
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rpc9943
New member
Just preordered mine too!
ROnC
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Roktuk
God Bless The Apocalypse
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rpc9943
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again thats just marketing... It can be used for many other things, or so I have read. Another useful tool for our collection.
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Jim Y
New member
Steinberg developed ASIO before WDM. It's use is to allow a low enough latency (time lag) so you can play a midi keyboard and hear the sound of a software synth (VSTi) play out of the computer at near enough the same time. You can also, with input monitoring, hear the result of a track insert FX from a "live" source feeding into the soundcard. Before ASIO, the latency was far too high for any "real time" stuff.
Late in the developement of Windows98SE, Microsoft introduced the WDM driver standard. This reduced Windows sound latency to about 30ms. Just about usable with a softsynth but definately not Input Monitoring as the sound has to make the trip twice, in and out.
At the behest of Cakewalk and other parties, Microsoft put in a special "socket" in the WDM driver. With this, Cakewalk gave Sonar a special low latency mode called KS (Kernal Streaming). This bypasses the Windows componant of the WDM driver. The latency obtainable rivals ASIO. A min of about 1.5ms with current computers.
Syntrillium introduced KS very quietly with CEP2.0, made little mention of it - the only evidence is the misleading "Try as WDM" tickbox in Device Settings.
Now, if low-latency is available with a standard WDM driver, why have ASIO?
As it happens, not all soundcards work well with WDM. Creative, E-mu and Digidesign cards all work better with ASIO. I believe the Digidesign only really works with ASIO.
Most Windows Pc soundcards don't have ASIO but this is not an excuse now there is a free ASIO adapter for WDM drivers. ASIO4ALL works well with most of the generic AC97 soundchips used on motherboards, laptops and cheap soundcards.
Until Audition can run Softsynths and use Input Monitoring, I don't see how low latency is much of an issue for most users.
Late in the developement of Windows98SE, Microsoft introduced the WDM driver standard. This reduced Windows sound latency to about 30ms. Just about usable with a softsynth but definately not Input Monitoring as the sound has to make the trip twice, in and out.
At the behest of Cakewalk and other parties, Microsoft put in a special "socket" in the WDM driver. With this, Cakewalk gave Sonar a special low latency mode called KS (Kernal Streaming). This bypasses the Windows componant of the WDM driver. The latency obtainable rivals ASIO. A min of about 1.5ms with current computers.
Syntrillium introduced KS very quietly with CEP2.0, made little mention of it - the only evidence is the misleading "Try as WDM" tickbox in Device Settings.
Now, if low-latency is available with a standard WDM driver, why have ASIO?
As it happens, not all soundcards work well with WDM. Creative, E-mu and Digidesign cards all work better with ASIO. I believe the Digidesign only really works with ASIO.
Most Windows Pc soundcards don't have ASIO but this is not an excuse now there is a free ASIO adapter for WDM drivers. ASIO4ALL works well with most of the generic AC97 soundchips used on motherboards, laptops and cheap soundcards.
Until Audition can run Softsynths and use Input Monitoring, I don't see how low latency is much of an issue for most users.
dobro
Well-known member
Jim Why: "Syntrillium introduced KS very quietly with CEP2.0, made little mention of it - the only evidence is the misleading "Try as WDM" tickbox in Device Settings."
What's this about? I went looking for it in mine and couldn't find it.
What's this about? I went looking for it in mine and couldn't find it.
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Jim Y
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Menu Options/Device Settings. Both Wave In and Wave Out tabs have it.
Without input monitoring or softsynths, it's not easy to prove if this is Kernal Streaming (Try as WDM checked). All I can say is that having my Delta cards buffer too low results in clicks and I've always assumed this buffer should only affect KS or ASIO. The normal Windows sound system (MME) uses a larger, fixed buffer.
When introduced, CEP2 claimed "supports WDM drivers". Now, a WDM driver looks the same to normal Windows programs as the old .VXD drivers used in Win95/98. They all have MME and DirectX interfaces. So, claiming WDM support is meaningless - the program doesn't have to do anything new to use them. The only thing worth claiming as a feature is if the program can use the low-latency KS access mode.
If you use the on-line help, you get a picture of the above mentioned device setting tabs, but the "Try as WDM" item is missing!
Without input monitoring or softsynths, it's not easy to prove if this is Kernal Streaming (Try as WDM checked). All I can say is that having my Delta cards buffer too low results in clicks and I've always assumed this buffer should only affect KS or ASIO. The normal Windows sound system (MME) uses a larger, fixed buffer.
When introduced, CEP2 claimed "supports WDM drivers". Now, a WDM driver looks the same to normal Windows programs as the old .VXD drivers used in Win95/98. They all have MME and DirectX interfaces. So, claiming WDM support is meaningless - the program doesn't have to do anything new to use them. The only thing worth claiming as a feature is if the program can use the low-latency KS access mode.
If you use the on-line help, you get a picture of the above mentioned device setting tabs, but the "Try as WDM" item is missing!
lpdeluxe
The Precision Bass Guy
On my version it's Options/Device Properties/Wave Out/Wave In. (Is this why my sound card won't record on anything but channels 1 & 2?)
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Jim Y
New member
Yep, it's "device properties"
Though I don't have one, I heard Audigies only present all their inputs in ASIO.
What soundcard do you have? My Santa Cruz has an option in it's control panel to allow multichannel.
Though I don't have one, I heard Audigies only present all their inputs in ASIO.
What soundcard do you have? My Santa Cruz has an option in it's control panel to allow multichannel.
lpdeluxe
The Precision Bass Guy
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