A Punk and A Pop Artist Trying to Write "Metal"

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Well here is about the weakest music i have ever heard anyone call metal. I think it is very much just like any new rock song, but the dude i worked with is into pop and he thought it was heavy as hell and called it metal. Give it a listen, I am pretty proud of what we came up with, i think it could sound better with a few mixing tips from the experts here.
The song is called Rich http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/Alternative/stripsecret

Thanks


Simon
 
Link is broken but I found it by browsing (don't capitalize the 'A' in "Alternative"... it's case sensitive). Downloading now, I'll give it a listen. What's your recording set-up these days?
 
Hey,

Its a nice, energetic song.

I thought it was mono. I think that you need to pan stuff out to make it bigger.

Also, I think it needs a slight overall boost in the bass and high frequencies to bring it closer.

I like how it all feels cohesive. You did well there.

peace
 
Heh, guess I coulda posted the correct link, eh *slaps forehead*

I think the drums sound better than I remember them sounding in your older recordings. The bass is the weakest link, mix-wise. Sometimes it's there, sometimes it's either buried or not there at all. There's room for improvement, but I'd want to know how you're setting up and what you have at your disposal. I have the feeling you're squeezing a lot out of what you're using, which is a good sign.

As for what exact genre to put it in... awww who cares. It's a rock song. Liked the break around 1:10.
 
Squeezing a LOT out of what i got.

Yeah my bass needs a lot of work, i am never happy with how it sounds.
My setup was recorded as follows.

Drums
-Fostex Moving Coil dynamic mic on snare(pawn shop mic)
-Realistic Cardiod dynamic mic on kick
-SM57 set above the ride point straight at the floor tom

Recorded onto a yamaha MT120 four track, then mixed in stereo to my computer(SBlive card)

Bass
-DI through the pre's on the four track

Guitar
-SM57 done in double panned left and right

Vocals
-Akg D65 dynamic mic doubled where necessary


There ya have it, my top-o-the-line setup



Simon
 
Are you dubbing everything? I'm a little confused 'cause I don't know if you have two 57's, or if you're using the same one for guitar and the floor tom/ride. If ya have 2 of 'em it opens up your possibilities on the drums. For now, I'll assume that you're dubbing everything and only have one.

drums: If you can use all 4 tracks on the MT120 for the drums, you might try mic'ing kick, snare, floor tom, and one overhead or kick, snare and 2 overheads. I'm guessing the D65 wouldn't be any worse than the realistic or fostex on drums. I have no clue what kinda SPL it can handle, so ya might wanna check that before close-mic'ing with it. The 57 might be better served on the snare or even the kick. I'd experiment to find the best mic combination for snare and kick and use the other two mics wherever. You may have already tried all this, what you're getting isn't bad at all for the setup. However you end up micing, panning things out a bit will probably help some. I'm usually pretty traditional here... with how you have things I'd pan the snare a smidge to the right and the tom off to the left a bit (as if the listener were facing the drum kit).

As for the bass, I'd definitely bring it up. Getting a good sound from the bass and the preamp is the ideal thing, but I know about working with what ya have. If you're mixing on the computer and have a decent compressor plug-in, you might be able to even it out some and add a little punch. Also, if you have an EQ plug-in, I suggest recording the bass "flat" into the computer (avoiding the less than stellar EQ on the 4-track as much as possible) and EQ with software when mixing. With EQ, sometimes cutting unwanted or overbearing frequencies helps more than boosting the desirable ones. Again, this is all on the assumption that you're dubbing to the PC when recording bass.

Just a few ideas to try out. I never know if something is going to sound good or not until I give it a shot.
 
You are right
i am dubbing everything
i have found that the 65's sound like garbage on drums(well at least compared to the others) and that the fostex gives me a stronger sounding snare, so that is why i use them in those combinations.
I do everything separate, drums, then guitar then bass then vox. all separately and all throught the 4 track as preamps.
 
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