4/4 Rock Song in A minor

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Macle, I think you might be on to something there. At least with the rental idea. Then I could both create samples and record to the track, and keep the options open. Thanks for the suggestions! There's a great percussion shop like 2 miles from me. Not sure why I haven't gone in there yet...
 
You are very talented and I have a tendency to keep your tracks for future listens. I like your production, style and polish.

For what it's worth, <read, not a lot>, my lead guitarist encourages me to tell you that he doesn't think you should be continually be auditioning for Pink Floyd as it seems Mr Gilmour hasn't realised he is no Mr Waters and there won't be any opening soon. (Except maybe Dave Gilmour's...OOPS!)

Please take that with a grain of salt and let me know where the CD is available :)

:) Q.
 
Things have been very well discussed...

Great sound to everthing. The only thing I might offer that hasn't been said yet is that it seems in the verses, the "picked" guitar part seems a little strong and makes the vocals a little tough to hear. If it were me, I'd pull that guit back just a hair.

Very minor thing though...
 
I finally got to this, what else can be said? Great song - another keeper.

In other news, I finally got to the remix of Run to Your Life, I prefer the earlier version, I don't know why. I think it's the delivery of the vocal line.
 
As usual with your tunes, there is a lot to digest (a good thing IMOP).

Listening again and I can't find anything to complain about. You have the vocals up this time. They are nice and clear. I can hear every word. Very nice.

It's a wall of sound and I am hearing things nicely. Well done.

I am no help here. :) ...

unless these help any. *****
 
Qwerty- No salt required...I'll take it as it's fed to me. But to be honest, your "lead guitarist" sounds like the classic "lead guitarist"- maybe a little insecure and a bit eager to keep in check the egos of other guitar players. But I can assure him I don't need the ego check. I know I'm just a carpenter from Maine and I am minimized daily by blood and sweat. But if comparing me to superior guitarists makes him feel better, by all means, he should have at it. :) As for a CD, I wish I had something for sale, but I don't. I appreciate your interest though, Qwerty, and your time.

TripleM- I'll keep your comments on the verses in mind once I find get a good snare sound and remix this for a CD later. Thanks a lot man.

lynx- Thanks lynx. I'd have to listen back to "Run For Your Life." It's been a while, but thanks for the opinion!

skids- Just listening is a big help man. Thank you.
 
I haven't a/b'd them yet, but this seems a lot more driving and a little less "bouncy". Before I think I said the guitars sound humorous and sneaky. I don't think so anymore - they're hard driving. I don't know yet which I like better. Both versions are good.

You fixed the snare thing :)
 
Yeah, the new snare's clearly better. But I didn't hear the first snare as being below par. Arrgh. I've got a lot to learn. What a good song, and now it's better.

You sure you don't have a CD's worth of good stuff yet?
 
I can't add anything constructive (again). I listened on headphones at work (new one's to boot) but I couldn't hear anything that stuck out. Another nice job man. Into the keepers folder with this one too.

When you get the CD done, I need to buy one because, Lord knows I've already gotten my money's worth of entertainment from it :D
 
fprod- I've been playing around a lot with my guitar sound, paying attention to its details for the first time in my life. Which is pretty fucked up considering it's my main instrument. But I've realized with the help of this board that my aggressive guitars need to be more aggressive. I'm actually pretty happy with the guitar sound on this tune now, but I know I need to get more nasty on some of my others. Thanks bro.

Dobro- Paul, it's not so much an issue of having enough tunes recorded- I have about twenty now that would probably work. But I don't think they're all up to parr yet. But I've set winter as a dealine for finishing up recording, which I think is reasonable. It's tough to get all this stuff done with the kinda quality I'd like while also working a rather exhausting day job. I really wish I had someone around me with some real experience to guide me through all this stuff, to help me develop a good plan. I'd like to see how far I can take it while I'm still fairly young. Plus I've been kinda aching to play live again. God I miss that. Not enough hours in the day! I just realized I'm ranting...sorry about that. Just got out of that day job!! :rolleyes:

:) Anyway, thanks a lot Paul. You're very supportive, even thousands of miles away.
 
Ha! Just missed ya Jag! Thanks a lot...tested on new cans..sweet. :)

You can read my response to Paul about a cd...I am definitely working on one, but the daily grind slows me down some. I'm pushing hard though, and getting some really helpful encouragement here. It's too cool. Thanks again!
 
Hey superstar

Tight beginning, cool, turns the head and ears your way ... gets our attention, hooks us ...

Great sounding 'Blur' like guitar. I want to hear just a tickle touch more high mids in this guitar, maybe a little more bass. You could run the guitar track through a SoundForge-like enhance-smooth filter and enhance by one degree. I'm yearning for edge on the primary riff that you carry us through the tune with.

Vocal comes in well, but I'd like to hear the entrance generally stronger, but that's generally my preference overall on vocals, I'm very partial to vocals and strings.

I'm hearing that a lot of mixes on this bbs tend to have the vocal undermixed at the beginning of the tune, especially at the beginning. The vocal is an acoustic instrument, not line level, it's treatment in the mix is radically different from the other instruments.

As we warm up, in any activity, we tend to have more energy after we start. I know for me, the first word, the first note of track is almost always the most difficult to perform.

I like that deep damn bass voice on the harmony vocals, surely that was done with a pitch shifter ? If so which one ?

This tune seems to be very 'mysterioso', dark and foreboding, I could hear the giant tromping through the valley sort of thing ...

I'd like to hear a little more processing on the vocal, now ... the vocal is good, good intonation, good diction, very good performance, I'd just like to hear a little crisping, a little more high mids in general in the mix maybe, some edge. I'm thinking the quality of your unprocessed natural vocal is actually quite clean, so you can do a lot with it. You could tighten up the doubled-backup vocal when you do that angry thing ... the parasite guy is off a little, but this works for some reason.

Keeping the bass nice and smooth and round like it is will make for great contrast and give more impression of bandwidth seperation with a little enhancement of the guitar and-or vocal track. When you get the angry voice thing going and are kind of growling, if you enhance by one degree, that's going to be really cool and animal sounding.

I'm listening with Sony MDR-7506, on Windows Media Player with the EQ flat, through a Sounblaster live, that's my reference setup.

That dropped backup vocal doubling is killer.

I want the guitar solo bridge a little louder at 0:50.

Maybe a bit more crunch on your punches, dampen them a bit quicker maybe ... I'm not a knowledgeable guitar player.

I think your mix is generally just a little overcompressed, there's a lot more room in here for dynamic contrast, possibly you have normalized to much, maybe try normalizing seperate tracks or sections of tracks. I know that's a hell of a lot of work, but your songwriting and performance here deserves that extra work. Or maybe do that on the next session.

This is a good song, one of the best overall performances and recordings I have hear so far on the board. It's got polish, pro dude.

At 3:08 you need to slam us HARD with these harmony vocals, harmony vocals are GOLD !, and these are good ones fella. I think we need some excitement to give us that final rush before you begin to take the song out. And these Harmony vocals could raise the hair on the back of our neck ...

Yes, the song is maybe a little over-compressed, you could benifit from more dynamics overall throughout the tune, but that's hard work and brain-CPU cycles you will have to committ to this mix if you choose.

One listen is all you get, cuz other's need a listen a lot more than you do ... but this one goes in my collection for sure, even though it's not my style especially. Good job.
 
studioviols- Thank you very much for the detail. Lotsa good stuff in there. Lots I can take away from it. There were just a couple of things I wanted to clarify...
I like that deep damn bass voice on the harmony vocals, surely that was done with a pitch shifter ? If so which one ?
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Those low harmonies are natural. Nothing but EQ and reverb- no pitch shifters. I have been getting much more comfortable with singing in lower ranges in my last few "sessions." The great thing about recording is how quickly you can improve by listening back with honest ears.

I think your mix is generally just a little overcompressed, there's a lot more room in here for dynamic contrast, possibly you have normalized to much, maybe try normalizing seperate tracks or sections of tracks...
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The mix is not processed at all- no compression or EQ or limiters, etc. I'm not very good at mastering so I concentrate on pursuing a good mix. All compression was done during tracking, so perhaps my track levels are a bit too heavy?

I really got a lot out of your post. Especially about gathering more energy as we get into recording the vocals. I actually meant to do those vocals softly like that, but as a "rock song" you kinda expect something a bit more energetic I guess. And I agree, a lot of times I end up going back and re-doing the first verse. I'll give it another listen in a couple weeks.

Some very good ideas there...thank you!

Tom
 
Listened to this a while ago, hope no one minds if I rake it up from the second page.

First and foremost, killer drum programming, I want to pencil in rolls like that!

Love the main theme guitar riff in this.

The first half it sort of sounded like the guitars were in front of the rythm section, and the vocals were in front of the guitars, it sort of evened out towards the end.

I'd like to hear it with a bit more "ra ga ga ga" beef. I think maybe the drums and bass were mixed a little low, but I listen on pretty crappy monitors so...

Great stuff as always.
 
Outstanding,

I suppose I'm listening to to revamp.

Love the sound of the drums, hell love the sound of everything!!

This is one balanced sounding sonofbitch!!

The singing as usual, is outstanding, as is the playing!!

It doesn't suck at all!!

GT
 
First comment, just excellent. Not only does it nail the mix but it's great art, interesting and coloful. Well done!

I had a little problem with the overall compressed sound. I think you should pull some of this out by letting it breath a little i.e. dynamics on key vocals and guitars.

This may be just me but that last snare pop is a little sloppy. I think the ending needs to be slightly more precise so it all ends together. That's nitpicking though. Overall this is great.
 
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