The New Tone Thread

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On the new woman, yeah, I know this loud-as fuck thing does get old, but, if she's gonna be with me, then she's gonna have to put it with it, that's just the way it is.....:).

I'm sure you'll do fine on the build dude, & it's gonna be pretty interesting to me to learn what some of the shit inside an amp actually does, I hope you document it all (with lots of pics & descriptions...) so maybe if I ever decide to do anything like that, it'll be a good refrence/tutorial thing....

Ok, here's a little clip/mix thing, DSL on one side, the Chupa on the other, I just threw it together in about 30 mins or so, overlook the shitty playing/mix/everything, just fuckin' around before work....

Not gonna post the amp settings, as it really doesn't matter, so here goes.....

Shit Clip

Gotta run, off to make a dollar or two....see you guys in about 12 hours or so..
 
first ..... no shitty playing there ..... sounded great ...... nowadays there seems to be a perception that anything less than perfect isn't any good and that's bullshit.
Good playing is when it makes the listener feel something .... when it communicates something that resonates within the listener.
Those clips of ya'lls make me want to rock out so they qualify.

Now, different people do resonate with different things ...... the Hendrix that enthralls me leaves Greg cold.
And the punky fast rock stuff that Greg loves so much is only good for certain times and moods for me.
But in both cases the music is connecting on some deeper level than just notes or skills on the instrument.

To me Hendrix is one of the very greatest on guitar and he was sloppy as shit. But good lord, the fire in his playing ..... and pioneers are always sloppier about what they do than those who come later and have them to learn from.
But regardless of any sloppiness I just love his playing and singing and it evokes a strong response from me.

The Ramones weren't sloppy ..... they were tight as can be ..... but very basic, simple music (though physically difficult) and yet they've inspired as many people as Hendrix did.
They draw the same response from Greg as Jimi does from me.

Good music isn't good because you've sterilized it to perfection ...... it's good because of some mysterious thing that we can't quantify and weirdest of all it's goodness or lack thereof isn't universal. A song that's awesome to one person can easily be 'meh' to another even up to entire genres of music. It's a strange thing when you think about it ....... whether a piece of music is good or not resides in whoever is listening to it and is not an inherent quality of the music.

As for the clips ...... at some point it becomes what you play and not how perfectly you play it and not how perfectly you have your amp dialed in.
...... let's hear some tunage!

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And what I meant by that, if it wasn't clear, ..... you play well. I hear it in your clips. I suspect you're excessively hard on yourself and you'll likely always find things you're unhappy with but I look forward to hearing you play something more than 13 seconds long.
 
Lt. Bob said:
And what I meant by that, if it wasn't clear, ..... you play well. I hear it in your clips. I suspect you're excessively hard on yourself and you'll likely always find things you're unhappy with but I look forward to hearing you play something more than 13 seconds long.
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Thanks so much Bob....you know, you're right dude, I really need to get off my ass & finish these songs, I know I've been saying that forever now, & I honestly don't have a lot of time during the week, but I'm gonna get rolling on these things man, you'll never know how much I appreciate the compliments, and yes, I am hard on myself in everything I do, I strive to do my very best, whether it be recording guitar or cutting coal at work, I always, always try to do my very best dude....

Thanks again!!!!
 
Haha, yeah I totally get what Boob is saying, I've been saying it....finish some songs dude. Your tones are good. We'll keep doing clips, but don't forget the end game. Songs. :D
 
You guys are gonna have to come over here & kick my ass....lol....

I keep making excuses, so I'm gonna have to get my shit together on these songs...

Pretty sure my tones/playing is gonna be fine...
Pretty sure my bass tones/playing is gonna be fine...
Almost sure about my drum programming & sounds, still "iffy", but I've done lots of songs before, so....
I already know my vocals suck, that's a given, but, all I can do is my best...

I just need you guys to come over here & kick my ass to motivate me....hahaha
 
minerman said:
On the new woman, yeah, I know this loud-as fuck thing does get old, but, if she's gonna be with me, then she's gonna have to put it with it, that's just the way it is.....:).

I'm sure you'll do fine on the build dude, & it's gonna be pretty interesting to me to learn what some of the shit inside an amp actually does, I hope you document it all (with lots of pics & descriptions...) so maybe if I ever decide to do anything like that, it'll be a good refrence/tutorial thing....

Ok, here's a little clip/mix thing, DSL on one side, the Chupa on the other, I just threw it together in about 30 mins or so, overlook the shitty playing/mix/everything, just fuckin' around before work....

Not gonna post the amp settings, as it really doesn't matter, so here goes.....

Shit Clip

Gotta run, off to make a dollar or two....see you guys in about 12 hours or so..
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I think that clip sounds pretty good, but I think it'd have more power if the guitars had a little more meat to them. They don't sound thin or anything, they just sound sort shelved. Like the lows are there but they've been rolled off.

I'm surprised how similar the amps sound in a little mix like that. Which one is which?
 
Thanks dude, the DSL = L, Chupa = R....no eq on 'em, just some reverb & panning....IIRC, the '57's levels are a couple/few db's lower than the e609's, I was pretty much using the 609 for the bright stuff, & the '57 for the meat/chunk...I could mess with the levels of the 2 mics a little & probably get a little more bottom end...

Bought the new AC-DC cd this week, & it's....meh....I mean, sure, there are some pretty good tones & riffs here/there, but it's not ass-kicking from start to finish...I will say the guitar tones on the new album have a lot of room reverb on 'em, a lot....And, if I'm hearing things right, Angus even used some fx on this one....Overall, it's a decent album, but doesn't compare to some of their other albums, but fuck, nothing does really....
 
Okay I ran the freshly tweaked 2204 at the last practice tuesday night, and it sounded good, but the mods were just too much for me. A lot of clarity, but also a lot of gain. Feedback was a bit of a problem at the face melting volumes we practice at. And it was just too bright. I had the presence rolled all the way off and the treble way low. Still too bright. I've been fighting the darkness in this amp since day one, and now I went too far. No problem! I ran my figures through this awesome cathode bypass calculator thing I found, LOL! Anyway, I simply removed the cap I put across the V2 cathode and got some thickness back. The .1uf on V1 still remains, which shunts out some of the muck, as does the reduced dropping resistor which boosts preamp tube voltages. The slightly hotter bias is still there too. So I'm really liking where it's at right now. My thick midrange is back, but the lows are in check. It's a little bit of before, and a little bit of after. I might have found the happy middle ground. So here's a Johnny Thunders clip at big volume, complete with a pick drop and a rare Greg pseudo-lead. :D

Les Paul Trad - Burstbucker 3 bridge p/u
Marshall JMP 2204
Pres - 3
Bass - 7
Mid - 7
Treb - 4
Preamp vol - 6
Master vol - 7
1960A 4x12 - Greenback - SM57 dustcap/cone, i5 edge, both on axis, on grill, full blend, no EQ.

Born to Lose
 
lol ..... greg the electronic tech ....... I can't tell you how cool that is.

:)

Sounds good ..... it was brighter than that? 'cause that still has plenty of bite.
 
Lt. Bob said:
lol ..... greg the electronic tech ....... I can't tell you how cool that is.

:)

Sounds good ..... it was brighter than that? 'cause that still has plenty of bite.
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Haha, thanks due. I'm trying to learn, I really am. What better way than to do some reading and just dig into my shit? I feel that I'm at the point with these simple amps that if I nuke it, I can fix it. I'm not going anywhere near the JVM though. That thing is psychotic on the inside.

Yeah it was brighter than that, and honestly, I think I mic'd that clip kind of poorly. It seems a little sizzly on the recording, but it's really not that bad in person.
 
I was singing along (well croaking along) the lead bites vampire style and needs a mix to give it a reference but the riffing - nice johnny would've dropped his needle & looked up.
 
Nice Greg....you know, it's really cool you're getting into tweaking your amp, or it is to me anyway, very cool you're figuring out what the different things do, & you're learning how to get it where you want it....Really cool....If you keep this up, by the time you build your amp, you should be able to have a kick-ass, one-of-a-kind custom amp dude....

Clip sounds good, a little sizzly, but still good....

One more day this week, & I'm supposed to get 2 off....counting the fuckin' days until the 24th too, 5 more in a row off....didn't expect that, but I'l damn sure take it...hahaha
 
Thanks fellas. It is a little sizzly, but I do think it's just bad mic positioning. I just checked em up in front about where I usually put them. It really sounds killer blasting my head off in the room here with me. I wanna do another with the 65s. Those speakers and this amp go together like penis and vagina.

I gotta finish up my annual Christmas song with the kids though. And I wrote my own holiday song. I wanna finish them both before Santa gets here. It's getting harder and harder and harder to move these kids along. They used to love doing the Christmas song, now they're all "meh". Millenials. They will ruin the world. :laughings:

Next up I gotta swap some resistors to make my EL34 conversion proper. Whoever did it forever ago only did it like halfway.
 
Yup, that's the one. I didn't even bother to look for videos. Doh! :facepalm:

I'll check those out, thanks miro.
 
I recorded a bunch of clips today, but I've ran out of time, so I'll post 'em up tonight....Nothing special, just me fuckin' around as usual before work...

Trying the 2-mic thing on different speakers (IE: the '57 on the edge of the GB & the 609 on the cap/cone thing of the G12H)...

See you guys after while....
 
Ok, here's the shit-load of clips I mentioned earlier today...Again, nothing special, just recorded a di, & re-amped the signal through the Chupacabra, & blended the 4 different speakers with 2 mics....

LP > interface > re-amp box > Chupa > 4x12 > '57/609 full blend on both mics (same db level in the daw)

Amp settings:

Resonance: 2
Presence: 6
Bass: 6
Middle: 6
Treble: 5
Master: 5
Gain 2: 3
Gain 1: 5
Era: 80's
Bright 2: R
Bright 1: C
Focus: off

V30-609 center--V30-'57 edge

V30-609 center--GB-'57 edge

V30-609 center--G12H-'57 edge

V30-609 center--G12-65-'57 edge

GB-609 center--V30-'57 edge

GB-609 center--GB-'57 edge

GB-609 center--G12H-'57 edge

GB-609 center--G12-65-'57 edge

G12H-609 center--V30-'57 edge

G12H-609 center--GB-'57 edge

G12H-609 center--G12H-'57 edge

G12H-609 center--G12-65-'57 edge

G12-65-609 center--V30-'57 edge

G12-65-609 center--GB-'57 edge

G12-65-609 center--G12H-'57 edge

G12-65-609 center--G12-65-'57 edge

Of course, some of these clips sound better than others, & a lot of 'em sound basically the same, I was just trying to get an idea how the different speakers would sound mixed with others, & basically killing time before work today...

I could probably mess with the levels of the tracks/mics & make 'em sound a little more varied, but again, just fucking around before work, pushing the new speakers a little more every day, gettin' 'em broken in a little more....

I know this is a lot of fuckin' clips, & if you don't wanna listen to 'em all (or any for that matter), no biggie guys....Just keeping the thread alive while making some noise with my new toys over here...:D.
 
Yeah some are good, some not so good. Some sound like they have phase issues.
The V30-609 center clips are all kind of murky.
All of the the GB-609 clips sound pretty good to me.
I really like G12H-609 clips too. That speaker has a nice raw crunch to it.

Now do it with the mics reversed. Put the 57 for center everything.
 
Greg_L said:
Yeah some are good, some not so good. Some sound like they have phase issues.
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I'm sure there are phase issues dude, I literally slapped the mics on the different speakers, & hit record...I'm sure I can get 'em in phase though, just takes time, & that's something I didn't have much of yesterday....

Greg_L said:
The V30-609 center clips are all kind of murky.
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Yeah, the mic placement is way off, I know that speaker sounds a lot better than that....plus, it's broken in really well, that's the V30 I got from you dude, it'd been pushed pretty hard way before I got it...;).


Greg_L said:
All of the the GB-609 clips sound pretty good to me.
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Really good speaker with the Chupa (actually, it's a good speaker with any amp I've ever used it with...), for me, it's just really easy to get a good sound...


Greg_L said:
I really like G12H-609 clips too. That speaker has a nice raw crunch to it.
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Great speaker for my style/type of music dude, if I ever get it broken in, it'll sound even better...


Greg_L said:
Now do it with the mics reversed. Put the 57 for center everything.
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I've got the amp warming up, but I've got a lot of shit to do today, so I definitely won't be posting 16 different clips today, maybe a couple...The new vaj's waiting on me again, & I'm gonna head up to her place in a couple hours...:D.
 
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