The New Tone Thread

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Well guys, the thing between the cats & me just "happened", but it was really started by "Jungle" the cat I posted a pic of...We've had a bunch of cats, we had a "Little Bit", but it was a little female...We've (well, the ex) still has "Who" (yes, that's right, "Who"...that's all he'd answer to...lol), & last time I weighed him, we was 21 lbs himself...Big ass tomcat, but he's bipolar....seriously, one minute he's fine, the next, he's tearing your ass up...literally....

Here he is in all his glory:


On the Jubilee thing, while I'd love to have one for the "collector" thing, if I'm gonna drop any $$$ on an amp, it's gonna have to sound at least as good or better than the clone I have...

Doctor's appointment this morning, so I dunno if I'll even be back before work, if not, see you guys tonight...

Thanks again for the kinds words on my bud....
 
Ok....here's a clip showing you guys the differences in the volume between the different modes on the Chupacabra....Not really interested in the tone/sound, just showing there's a big difference....I'm still using the same mic position as I did a couple days ago, & can't really crank up right now, plus, the Behringer condenser won't handle high SPL's like the '57 will....

First part is "regular" plexi, second is 80's, & third is modern...The master volume is on about1- 1.5....Only thing different in the 3 parts is I flipped the era switch.....

Volume differences

I'll try to post a couple more clips before I leave today....
 
Ok...some more of my usual fucking around, this time I re-amped the di's from the VH toan I did with the ampsims....Used the Chupacabra & the 2 blended mics....probably way off, but, I think the way I've got these 2 mics set would work very well in a mix...just getting me to finish my songs is the issue...:laughings:.


Amp settings:

Resonanace: 3
Presence: 8
Bass: 8
Middle: 2
Treble: 8
Master: 4
Gain 2: 4-4.5
Gain 1: 8
Era: 80's
Bright 2: Left
Bright 1: Left
Focus: On/engaged

Runnin' With The Chupa

Gotta run, be back after while....
 
minerman said:
Ok....here's a clip showing you guys the differences in the volume between the different modes on the Chupacabra....Not really interested in the tone/sound, just showing there's a big difference....I'm still using the same mic position as I did a couple days ago, & can't really crank up right now, plus, the Behringer condenser won't handle high SPL's like the '57 will....

First part is "regular" plexi, second is 80's, & third is modern...The master volume is on about1- 1.5....Only thing different in the 3 parts is I flipped the era switch.....

Volume differences

I'll try to post a couple more clips before I leave today....
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Damn, that is a huge difference in volumes. That would drive me insane. Why does it do that? That doesn't seem right to me.

minerman said:
Ok...some more of my usual fucking around, this time I re-amped the di's from the VH toan I did with the ampsims....Used the Chupacabra & the 2 blended mics....probably way off, but, I think the way I've got these 2 mics set would work very well in a mix...just getting me to finish my songs is the issue...:laughings:.


Amp settings:

Resonanace: 3
Presence: 8
Bass: 8
Middle: 2
Treble: 8
Master: 4
Gain 2: 4-4.5
Gain 1: 8
Era: 80's
Bright 2: Left
Bright 1: Left
Focus: On/engaged

Runnin' With The Chupa

Gotta run, be back after while....
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That sounds pretty damn close man. I think it's a little too bright, but it's really close to the hairy sound of EVH. Nice work.
 
Thanks dude, on the VH thing, yeah it's a little too bright, but I ran out of time today...I'm sure I could dial the amp in a little better with some time, but didn't have any time to fuck with it really....Good to know I can get pretty close to those tones with the Chupa......

On the volume difference thing, it's not as bad when the amp's opened up with the master volume up, but at low volume, it's a pretty big difference...I read about it before I bought the amp, so, apparently, it's a common issue...I'm not fucking with the Ceriatone dude, it sounds tits just like it is....
 
Yeah for recording the volume issue isn't a problem. It's just crazy to me that something like that even happens with that amp. It's not some Billy Blades piece of shit thrown together in someone's basement with spare washing machine parts. That's a fine amp. I don't know amp tech stuff, but surely there's a way the designer could even-out the volumes better throughout the modes. The JVM410 has some volume variation between the channels, but it's one notch at most and it can be evened out with the individual channel volumes. Like if I run the Crunch channel on 5, OD1 will have to be on 5.5-6 to have the same relative volume though the master volume.
 
Greg_L said:
Yeah for recording the volume issue isn't a problem. It's just crazy to me that something like that even happens with that amp. It's not some Billy Blades piece of shit thrown together in someone's basement with spare washing machine parts.
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Lol....that's funny dude, I'd forgotten about Billy Blades....lol...



Greg_L said:
That's a fine amp. I don't know amp tech stuff, but surely there's a way the designer could even-out the volumes better throughout the modes. The JVM410 has some volume variation between the channels, but it's one notch at most and it can be evened out with the individual channel volumes. Like if I run the Crunch channel on 5, OD1 will have to be on 5.5-6 to have the same relative volume though the master volume.
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Well, like I said, it's not as bad when you open the master volume up, but at low-volume there's a pretty big difference....I really don't give a fuck though, as I think it's a killer amp...

Gotta run, hopefully last shift this week...
 
That's a pretty big difference. But my Mesa Mark V has at least one equally big volume change on the clean channel ....... when you go from the 'tweed' mode to the other two modes the chaange is prolly that large and the reverb goes super verby on the tweed setting.

I.m sure it has to do with gain staging ..... if you drop an entire gain stage outta the circuit you're gonna lose a lot and the only way to compensate is via the master volume. So to make it not do that they'd have to somehow have the master automatically change too.

I imagine they don't bother with that because, in general, you're not gonna reach for those tiny mode switches in a live setting.
You just stick with the footswitchable channels.
 
No biggie on the volume differences guys, like I said, when you open the amp up, it's not as bad....I'll post a clip at moderate volume in a few minutes....

I watched Slash & Myles Kennedy on Direct TV a couple nights ago after work, & I have to say, I'm impressed with Slash...I've always known he's a great guitar player, but had never really paid any attention to him....I did see Guns-N-Roses my senior year in high school (they were the opening act, & nobody had even heard of them yet....this was in the fall of that year, the following spring, they were headlining & probably the biggest band in the world...), but that's been years & years ago...

Here's a vid of 'em doing "Rocket Queen" off of AFD:


Great tones & playing IMO....
 
Yup, Slash is great IMO. I struggle to tolerate Myles Kennedy, but as far as I'm concerned Slash is the only current guitar player that I can say "I wish I could play like that". No one else does anything for me. I don't care about guitar heroes one bit, but I like and admire the way Slash does his shit. No pedals, no effects, no wang bars, no wanky shredding, just guitar and amp rock and roll guitar playing.
 
Yeah dude, he impressed me on the tv the other night....great tone, great playing....He sweated so much it was running off his guitar though...lol...Appetite For Destruction is still one of my favorite albums of all time too....everything else he's done after that was ok (the "Slash" album does have a few songs on it I really like though...), but nothing like AFD....

Ok, here's a clip with the Chupa's master on about 4, both gains on 5...only thing different in these 3 parts is I flipped the era switch....first is regular plexi, second is 80's, & third is modern...With the master up a little, it's not as drastic as low-volume, but there is definitely a difference....

Chupa volume difference 11-15-2104

Lemme know what you think....off for the evening, got a date....wish me luck...hahahaha
 
Wow, that's a pretty huge difference from Plexi to Modern. I put it in my DAW just to see. 17db avg RMS according to the analyzer. That's so odd to me.

Sounds pretty good though. Nice riff choice. :D
 
Thanks dude....yes, big difference between the modes, but really, I don't give a big, flying fuck....lol....This amp is what I've been after for years, & I absolutely love it...

I wonder how hard it would be to make the 3-position era switch footswitchable??? Just wondering, no biggie....

Gotta run, hopefully I'm gonna get lucky tonight...hahahaha
 
Actually the much lower output of the 80s/modern stage could potentially be a good thing. You can wind up the master volume even higher without blowing the neighbors out.

Good luck on your vagina quest. :D
 
Greg_L said:
Yup, Slash is great IMO. I struggle to tolerate Myles Kennedy, but as far as I'm concerned Slash is the only current guitar player that I can say "I wish I could play like that". No one else does anything for me. I don't care about guitar heroes one bit, but I like and admire the way Slash does his shit. No pedals, no effects, no wang bars, no wanky shredding, just guitar and amp rock and roll guitar playing.
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and in interviews he seems like a really down to earth guy
 
Greg_L said:
I don't know if you have the time or interest, but his book is really entertaining.
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I read his autobiography a few years ago and I enjoyed it quite a bit. GnR was titanic to me as a middle/high schooler, and I spent countless hours fruitlessly trying to play that shit. It was cool to read about those early days when they were just a bunch of street rats (that's always my favorite part of a "behind the music" kind of story). And damn, what an epic trip it was from the gutters of L.A. to the worldwide Use Your Illusion tour. I wish I enjoyed that bloated double album half as much as they enjoyed touring it. it's amazing that any of those guys are still alive to tell the tale.

That guy just has a knack for soloing that few modern guitarists grasp. He's not a theory geek, but he just has a way with putting together an interesting melody.
 
Tadpui said:
I read his autobiography a few years ago and I enjoyed it quite a bit. GnR was titanic to me as a middle/high schooler, and I spent countless hours fruitlessly trying to play that shit. It was cool to read about those early days when they were just a bunch of street rats (that's always my favorite part of a "behind the music" kind of story). And damn, what an epic trip it was from the gutters of L.A. to the worldwide Use Your Illusion tour. I wish I enjoyed that bloated double album half as much as they enjoyed touring it. it's amazing that any of those guys are still alive to tell the tale.

That guy just has a knack for soloing that few modern guitarists grasp. He's not a theory geek, but he just has a way with putting together an interesting melody.
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Yup, agreed.

I'm not really a GnR fan, but Appetite for Destruction is IMO one of the greatest rock and roll albums ever. It's awesome from beginning to end. Slash and Izzy's guitar lines are different but complimentary and it just sounds fantastic. That album is a terrific time capsule of a band that's young, hungry, and hitting on all cylinders.

But that's it for me. Use Your Illusion 1/2 is crap on a crap cracker.
 
Score!!!!! Lol...:D.

On the Slash thing, love AFD, but only a few songs after that album were worth a shit to me....

On AFD, I love the way Slash & Izzy play off one another, & both have super great tones....Greg's right, a hungry band that wasn't gonna stop until they made it.....I love Steven Adler's drumming on that album too.....just a solid, kick-ass album from start to end...

On my way home so I'm gonna post some more clips in a litte while....
 
Hey guys....
Here's a little snippet of the guitars from "Welcome To The Jungle" from AFD...Don't know if these are the real tracks or not, but they sound pretty close....They're the Rock Band multi-track things I found on the 'net a couple years ago....I love how Izzy & Slash play off one another....I can't post the whole song because of the way the tracks are overdubbed (the lead guitar part is on both tracks), so I just edited a little part where both guitars are playing together, the longest part I could find like this...

And yes, I'm gonna try to get the G-N-R sound (or close to it anyway...:laughings:.) with my Chupacabra....so, more clips to come...

Both guitars, panned 50% L/R

Izzy isolated guitar

Slash isolated guitar

Lemme know what you guys think of these isolated clips....
 
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