PLEASE HELP ... Frustrated about recording technique

[bouldersoundguy]

- Pre-delay
- Mix with early reflection
- Length
- Damping
- Early reflections
- Room size
- Wet
- Dry

Pre-delay delays the start of the reverberation

Mix with early reflection balances reverb with the early reflections.

Length is how long the reverb reverberates.

Damping makes the highs fall off more quickly than the lows and mids of the reverb.

Early reflections simulate the reflections off nearby surfaces that you hear before the main reverb of the overall space kicks in.

Room size makes the reverb sound like a bigger or smaller room.

Wet controls the reverberation level.

Dry controls the level of the unaffected input.

 

[jaynm26]

Nah, leave it. It's beautiful.

(Besides the fact that I don't see how someone typing " 't " instead of "e" can be a typo....but that's OK, I believe you)

IM 6'3 220lb with hands size of mittens on a lil o iphone and you cant see how I can press the wrong letter??????????? I dont proof read on the damn thing ever its already a 2 inch window to type..guess you dont have a iphone or know how one works

 

[RAMI]

IM 6'3 220lb with hands size of mittens on a lil o iphone and you cant see how I can press the wrong letter??????????? I dont proof read on the damn thing ever its already a 2 inch window to type..guess you dont have a iphone or know how one works

LOL!

You're so "sensitive".

Go listen to some "Air Supply", ok?

 

[jaynm26]

Did i have any in that post, what makes you think I was worked up? Just stating the facts, just gonna have to get used to my typos and use your noodle along with context clues.

 

[rayc]

All the reverb convolutions in the world aren't going to help the track at this atge.
You need to treat the room in some way to minimize its impact on your recording, (making some "gobos" with the blankets might get you some relief in the short term - def. a quick option to demonstrate to yourself the diff. a room makes), and capture a good performance THEN decide on where you want the vocal to sit in the mix and get it there by alll the means at your disposal - including but not limited to reverb.
As a reformed reverb junky I can tell you that it's the drug/plug of choice for singers who are less than secure about their abilities and mixers who are less than aware of their task.

 

[TASCAM MAN]

All the reverb convolutions in the world aren't going to help the track at this atge.
You need to treat the room in some way to minimize its impact on your recording, (making some "gobos" with the blankets might get you some relief in the short term - def. a quick option to demonstrate to yourself the diff. a room makes), and capture a good performance THEN decide on where you want the vocal to sit in the mix and get it there by alll the means at your disposal - including but not limited to reverb.
As a reformed reverb junky I can tell you that it's the drug/plug of choice for singers who are less than secure about their abilities and mixers who are less than aware of their task.

I love the part where you say "as a reformed reverb junkiy"....that would be me to !! If you listen to a lot of older records way back and also in the 70s Rod Stewert never even used reverb !!! The voice was so present and rich,never got lost in the mix,had punch even in 1930 recordings.I still rather a lil slap delay than reverb any day of the week but,the critical part is not the type you use as much as the amount (wet/dry) that you mix into it.and NO reverb does NOT have to be put on every instrument and another problem these days is the younger generation just thinks that compressers have to be put on everything....MYTH!!! Control your levels while tracking either by the musicians dynamics on there own but if you have a lil problem controlling levels by all means compress a little bit while tracking ....i stress the while tracking part.When mixdown time comes,you will be glad you controlled it from the beginning of the recording process.

 

[Lt. Bob]

IM 6'3 220lb with hands size of mittens on a lil o iphone and you cant see how I can press the wrong letter??????????? I dont proof read on the damn thing ever its already a 2 inch window to type..guess you dont have a iphone or know how one works

yes, the fact that he made a friendly joke means he doesn't know how an iPhone works.

 

[Bobbsy]

This post is from MY iPhone and, as you can see, it's clearly impossible to type accurately or correct mistakes (like where I typed "pozt" for my second word).

 

[Lt. Bob]

This post is from MY iPhone and, as you can see, it's clearly impossible to type accurately or correct mistakes (like where I typed "pozt" for my second word).

but are you 6'3"? Apparently that's the size limit.

 

[Bobbsy]

Ah, that's it. Only 6'1" and about 210. Clearly that makes all the difference!

 

[stevepeter83]

Thanks everyone.

With the instruments, I understand that the best way to record instruments is to mic them, correct? What if I don't have the luxury and have to do a straight line-in input from my instruments to the audio hardware? Can the result still be "modified" in a way that it will sound as if they're recorded with microphones (again with reverb)?

PS: What does typing on IPhone and your height have anything to do with mixing and reverb?

 

[Bobbsy]

Thanks everyone.

With the instruments, I understand that the best way to record instruments is to mic them, correct? What if I don't have the luxury and have to do a straight line-in input from my instruments to the audio hardware? Can the result still be "modified" in a way that it will sound as if they're recorded with microphones (again with reverb)?

Not really. The characteristics of the sound with a pick up are very different to what you can get with a mic because they work in very different ways. Besides this, the position of the pickup is different, mics get a bit of room ambience that the pickup misses, all sorts of things. You can modify the sound of the pick up in lots of ways (not just reverb) but it'll never sound just like a microphone.

By the way, be slightly care how you plug the instrument into your audio hardware. The output from a guitar pickup is not identical to a line level signal--the levels are sort of half way between microphone and line and it's designed to go into a much higher impedance input. Many interfaces offer the option of an "instrument" input separate for mic or line. Otherwise, you should probably use a "DI Box" which adapts the instrument output to mic level so you can plug it into the XLR input. It's very unlikely it would damage anything plugging a guitar pick up into a line input--but the levels may be a bit low and the frequency response not flat.

PS: What does typing on IPhone and your height have anything to do with mixing and reverb?

Nothing. You just saw a perfect example of thread drift!

 

[propman]

I dont proof read on the damn thing ever

Did i have any in that post

Indeed.

 

[Lt. Bob]

PS: What does typing on IPhone and your height have anything to do with mixing and reverb?

well. at higher altitudes the reverb tails don't last as long since the speed of sound is different up there. And typing on an iPhone is the main way we can tell what algorithms will sound best in your room because the clicks are a known quantity and we can assess your room treatment needs.



Actually we like to joke and kid around here. If you don't ...... might be in the wrong place because that's just what happens. join in and be funny or don't .... totally your choice. But either way that's how we roll so get used to it.



























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[jaynm26]

Like I said I dont proof read it once i post it doesnt give me any options to edit. You guys act like you never typed or missed pressed a letter on a damn iphone "REARLY"!! come one give me a break lol

 

[jaynm26]

When your tall the reverb tails tend to linger a bit longer I find reverb times that are bit shorter tend to work better for me

 

[stevepeter83]

Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. And yes, I like to have fun and kid, too. I asked the question re: iphone because it was just funny how the typo in Iphone suddenly get into a mixing and reverb topic.

But anyway, thanks once again for all of your replies. I'm such a noob but I'll get there one day. Cheers.

 

[cletisrayevans1]

if you run mic through pre amps,and through a mixer,try to set eq to match the first vocal harmory,get a good take recorded and the record each harmony,through the mixer and eq settings.you can mix in seperate reverbs,pan,slightly where you want it,set levels,bounce them all to your vocal track or leave them all seperate if you have enough tracks.It sounds like a vocal processor and a real good singer singing harmonies and maybe one back up singer with harmonies.trail could have been a mixed in short delay over top of the reverb.

 

[warartistrecord]

What if I don't have the luxury and have to do a straight line-in input from my instruments to the audio hardware?Can the result still be "modified" in a way that it will sound as if they're recorded with microphones (again with reverb)?

If you have a plugin that simulates amps, etc (if you're recording guitar and bass) you can get a decent sound with line in recording. Most people (me included) would say, though, that a microphone gets a much different and better sound from instruments, as long as you have a good placement. I find that the overtones that are natural to an instrument are more present when recorded with a mic and that the sound can be much richer.
Spend some time learning and experimenting and don't expect your first recording, or even your first few to sound professional. It can be a really fun experience, even with the frustrations.