First Hip Hop Recording

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Atom Bomb said:
Music isn't music.

Not entirely.



There is Good music.


then.....



there is your music.....

but even your music has it's good elements. Like the last one i heard versus all the other rave sounding stuff.

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Now fin.
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post up dude, I may even listen and give it a critique this time, or i may let the wife hear it...she likes that kinda shit :D


music is music...i like something out of most genres except country...that stuff makes me want to buy a white rob, damn my redneck genes
 
I got some in there somewhere.


I wonder what a KKK rap group would sound like.
 
I'm not saying using a midi keyboard to control your synths is much different from playing the piano or organ.

BUT

We'll use something Fruity Loops as an example. That's not real music. It's just a bunch of pressing buttons to get sound effects. Most of these rap guys have not learned or mastered an instrument.
 
FoulPhil said:
I'm not saying using a midi keyboard to control your synths is much different from playing the piano or organ.

BUT

We'll use something Fruity Loops as an example. That's not real music. It's just a bunch of pressing buttons to get sound effects. Most of these rap guys have not learned or mastered an instrument.
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dont agree...its just the same as you using ez drummer or soft amps...same as using a PC and not analogue....in fact if its not an orchestra its not real music...im sure someones said that before on homeorchestra.com :)


i can play several instruments, i havent mastered any, and it doesnt give me any more legitimacy...its the end product

if you thinks theres no skill producing good hip hop then you need to point that out to the scores of shit artists plaguing the internet.....
 
FoulPhil said:
I'm not saying using a midi keyboard to control your synths is much different from playing the piano or organ.

BUT

We'll use something Fruity Loops as an example. That's not real music. It's just a bunch of pressing buttons to get sound effects. Most of these rap guys have not learned or mastered an instrument.
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Agreed. If someone gives you a drum loop, a bass loop, and a synth loop, and you put them all together, that doesn't make you a musician. But there are a million ways to go about making a song. You can make a hip-hop beat that is as musical as you want it to be. Do you think you or some classically trained pianist could make a beat that is musically complex? Probably, unless your mind was too closed to even take on such a task.
And by no means am I a master, but I am able to play several instruments. Neither my musical interests nor endeavors are limited to hip-hop, I am in a folk band with a few other guys as well and I jam with a rock band from time to time.
 
OK then with logic like that you might as well do what the rest of the world does and base the quality of music on the amount of sales it gets. That alone puts us all at the bottom of the food chain no matter how much we like our own music.

That also makes rap better then our music too, because the radio gangsters are making a killing.
 
I only use EZ Drummer because I can't drum. The libraries of the extreme is a midi pack where they got a real drummer to record (in midi) all kinds of blast beats and crazy shit used for metal. Did I use a REAL drummer? YES! LOL
 
FoulPhil said:
I only use EZ Drummer because I can't drum. The libraries of the extreme is a midi pack where they got a real drummer to record (in midi) all kinds of blast beats and crazy shit used for metal. Did I use a REAL drummer? YES! LOL
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where does it end and begin then?


loops were produced by real musicians...therefore stringing them together is producing music, its not playing it but it is producing it


some of my favourite rap stuff uses samples from obscure records and chops them up top create something new..if you think thats easy it isnt, if you think that doesn't produce music then youve got cloth ears ;)


but anyway this is going nowhere...i just find it funny that because someone strums a guitar or bashes some drum skins they automatically think they are more "real" or legit in the music world...its like the typical slagging of stuff i record, "it all sounds like loops", well duh thats what the genre dictates and if anyone thinks that having the same chorus and verse structure doesnt sound like a bunch of "loops" too needs to look at what theyre producing

E, A, G....E, A, G...is a fricken loop :D
 
https://www.youtube.com/user/locomotionmusicisill?feature=mhum#p/a/u/0/mK1bZaQQk7k

Still not a soundclick thing, and i know the quality is bad.

But if you argue about her musical abilities then your probably retarded.

This was recorded live, through one mic, all in one take. She messed up a few times but when she previewed it for me, i told her she wasnt leaving until a got a recording of it. But we will be working on the full version soon, and i will have to post that on a soundclick account. Hopefully this one goes over better than the last.
 
FoulPhil said:
hahahahahah You guys are all super funny. My main point is that you need a team of professionals to work on the music to make it sound like all the famous rap acts. Back in the 80s when they started rap it was OK for it to sound underground and raw, but these days when you have every idiot wanna be pud pulling studio gangster telling the same old story over and over again, it's obviouslly not ok anymore. No one wants to hear any more shit from the rap community, because you guys have used and abused it to the point of it all just being a huge puddle of shit.

You really can not improve, innovate, expand, or pioneer rap music any further. It's been maxed out and it's not the most technical or creative genre. You may be able to make a rap song that sounds decent, but it'll just be another drop in the shit bucket because like I've been saying EVERYONE has already been doing the EXACT SAME THING...

Good luck to you, good buddy...

I don't listen to radio music. So, if you think Nickleback is rock and you love it, have fun, I guess lol.
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You all are missing a valid point to Phil's comments.. Sure he hates rap. But in reality it does take professionals to sound professional THAT includes in every genre...... If you are not a professional behind the mixing board, EVERYTHING will sound amateurish. Which if you want to talk smack, most of people on here are amateurs about it.
I personally enjoy listening to rap/hip hop/r&b as well as oldies, classical, and diff types of rock.

HOWEVER Phil, to say rap is not music, or to say rap is already maxed out, can be made pretty much true for EVERY genre of music in your logic. This is a world of 6 billion people, everythings been done more than once already. You can use your same logic on oldies, techno, jazz, any boy band out there. Same ole love song, same ole hate song, same ole life sucks song, same ole my life's better song, same ole breath taking, same ole chords being played man, same ole screaming. same ole grunge, same ole talking about death. it just all goes to show how saturated this industry is lmao :laughings: Even singing in itself is overlapped; same dynamics just different words.

And not everyone uses fruity loops. :rolleyes: but i just saw you use ez drummer because you can't drum. yeah uh no comment......... rappers are more like the singers, the "producer" or composer is more of the rest of the band. Not to mention these days, theres a LOT more live rap acts then there are not. Jay Z, even soulja boy had a full live set on stage (and I hate both of those artists, though jay is a smart business man).
 
If you had read a few of my other posts in other topics I've mentioned several times that music in general is stale and no one is really trying to pioneer or take it to another level. I only mentioned solely Rap because that's what this discussion is about. It's not about other types of music.

I've also said that it sucks to use EZ Drummer, but as a tool for songwriting it comes in handy. If I had a real drummer, believe me I would have used one lol.

You can apply almost everything I've said in this thread to every aspect of the music industry and TODAYS music in general.

I would never claim myself to be a professional. If someone asks me how I do what I do I will tell them, but that doesn't mean I think I'm even good at what I do hahahahahah.

I listen to and play a ton of underground music and the majority of it is very poor low production and low budget stuff. I'm to the point where I can compete with the majority of the stuff in my scene. Although I'm lacking the knowledge and power to properly promote anything. Not that it would matter because it's easier to dislike something and find flaws rather than to look for some kind of artistic initiative. Something that I myself am VERY guilty of as well.
 
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