First Hip Hop Recording

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Loved the Greg story. I was cracking up.

No body really cares about music anymore. If it's not the latest and greatest there is no future for you in the music business. Play for yourself. Do something new and creative. Don't watch 8 mile and hustle and flo and get the itch to be a rap star. Rap is just as stale and played out as any other music. It's all already been done. It's all already been said. It's just that someone has already done it better. Someone had a better production and full funding and did it better than everyone else...
 
Exactly my point.

People tend to generalize. I beleive someone generalized by saying rap.

Well come on guys... Soulja Boy is rap. By textbook definition it is rap. Perhaps to a passionate fan or roots artist it is not rap or hip hop... but it has al lthe elements of roots core rap.

I listen to a fair bit of hip hop and rap. And i find Sage Francis and Buck 65 to have the poetic aspect down to skilled science more so then NAS or many other, shall we say, Urban acts.


Speaking of course in terms that by poetic we use the text book definition itself.

Just becasue something rhymes doesn't rightly make it poetry.

Absouljaboylutely. Well said. I believe there are 2 kinds of 'rap'. There is rap, which sucks and has no purpose, and there is hip-hop, which presents an idea which is of value in some way to humanity. The first rarely employs poetic devices, the latter does so frequently.
 
To say that rap music cannot be improved or innovated is to say that all music has reached it's pinnacle and is now in a downward decline. (which may actually be true given all the crap that is out there these days) I could say that by the time the 80's rolled around, all rock music was shit and today it is continuing on that course of shittiness. Of course, I know of great rock music that is current, just like there is good hip-hop.

Musically rap may not usually be very intricate, but that right there is one department in which rap has the opportunity for growth. Just because you personally cannot foresee rap being taken to a new level, doesn't mean that some guy out in the sticks can't come out with some brilliant and original new style of hip-hop. After all, isn't rap just poetry at it's essence? (im not talking about commercial rap here, it certainly is not poetry) but to say that rap cannot be innovated is to say that every good poem has been written. People should just stop writing poetry because it's all been done. While we're at it, we all might as well just stop making all art entirely, because every piece of artwork has already been made

I agree 100% that commercial rap sucks, is just nonsense, non-art, and a repetition of worthless ideas made solely to come off as "hard", but because the world is stuck in this ignorant rap coma, it seems like no one even wants to progress. Maybe rap as a genre must be killed, so that hip-hop2.0 can be born and embraced by all those that rap has scarred.

Not to be a bigot or to stereotype, but take a good look at the "majority" of people into rap. Most are very ignorant, uneducated and therefor lack the ability to think outside the box. How to you expect your average rap/hop hop guy to do anything innovative when the whole genre is based on Ebonics?
 
Loved the Greg story. I was cracking up.

No body really cares about music anymore. If it's not the latest and greatest there is no future for you in the music business. Play for yourself. Do something new and creative. Don't watch 8 mile and hustle and flo and get the itch to be a rap star. Rap is just as stale and played out as any other music. It's all already been done. It's all already been said. It's just that someone has already done it better. Someone had a better production and full funding and did it better than everyone else...

Again, I care about music, I still purchase cd's of rappers (or any other MUSICIANS for that matter) that I find thought provoking. Sage Francis is not the 'latest and greatest' in the music biz, but he is an example of what I am talking about. He has made success out of making rap something poetic and real. He might not make a million dollars per song, but at least his shit is good. And again, thinking that everything has already been done is the worst way you could look at it, because then what is the point of anything? Like I said before, should humans stop writing poetry because it's all already been done?
 
Not to be a bigot or to stereotype, but take a good look at the "majority" of people into rap. Most are very ignorant, uneducated and therefor lack the ability to think outside the box. How to you expect your average rap/hop hop guy to do anything innovative when the whole genre is based on Ebonics?

Unfortunately you're right about that. And I don't expect the average hip-hop guy to climb to the top of the charts, I'm just saying there is a little corner of rap that is worth something and is interested in progression. And the whole genre is not based on Ebonics.
 
Have you ever had that feeling that you're not quite sure where you fit in? You're not exactly a child any more, so you don't do kids' things. You're not really an adult, although you wouldn't mind having a go at some grown-up things. And everyone else in your class, and especially your older brother, seems to be managing much better than you are. In fact, sometimes you feel as though you're doing so badly you hardly belong to the human race at all!

That's how Greg feels. His family have recently moved to a new district, and on the new school bus there's a girl called Sara. Greg catches her eye and they exchange a few glances, but his brother, Ben, casually falls into conversation with her, laughing and joking. Ben sits with Sara on the bus while Greg skulks at the back. Greg still thinks Sara might be looking at him more than his brother, but Ben is outshining him.

So Greg doesn't seem terribly concerned when he wakes up one morning to discover that he has actually turned into a caterpillar. Let's face it, he's been feeling as if he might as well be one for some time:

Then Greg made another surprising discovery: somewhere around the place where he didn't have arms, things were moving all the same. Not just two of them, but six! They were short and they had no joints, but he could move them: not singly, only in pairs. They were nothing like as - well, as handy as hands, but they obviously had their uses. And the harder Greg concentrated on these new physical sensations, the more discoveries he made. There were several movable items down on the lower part of his long body too - rather short, stumpy excrescences arranged in pairs, two of them at the very far end.

Greg tried counting, but he wasn't sure: sometimes he thought he had twelve of these excrescences, another time he made it as many as sixteen.

Then he gave up counting, because other things were happening in the house. The front door slammed twice in quick succession. Footsteps hurried up the stairs, and he heard the door handle being rattled.

'Greg, do wake up! What's the matter? You never usually lock your door! Open it this minute!'

This was getting complicated. Look at it one way, and Greg was feeling quite at home in his peculiar new physical state. Look at it another, and he was in real trouble with his mother.

Well, everyone in the family has to learn how to live with the fact that Greg has turned into a rather obnoxious lump with strange personal habits. His mother tries to be understanding, and brings him lots of lovely vegetables, his favourite food. His father wavers between sympathy and downright disgust. Ben thinks it's hilarious, most of the time, except when he has to muck out Greg's room!

It's really a story within a story. You will have to read the book to find out how Greg the caterpillar becomes a TV personality, and how he becomes the subject of some rather suspect genetic research. But that is really all just playing around with the caterpillar idea. The other part of the story is how Greg overcomes his terrible self-consciousness sufficiently to talk to Sara himself, at which point he manages to resume his human shape once more. Welcome back to the human race, Greg!

This story has been told before. About one hundred years ago Franz Kafka wrote a short story for adults called Metamorphosis. In that story a young man, also called Gregor, woke up one morning to find that he had turned into a gigantic insect:

He was lying on his hard, as it were armour-plated, back and when he lifted his head a little he could see his dome-like brown belly divided into stiff arched segments on top of which the bed-quilt could hardly keep in position and was about to slide off completely. His numerous legs, which were pitifully thin compared to the rest of his bulk, waved helplessly before his eyes.

Unlike Greg the caterpillar, though, this Gregor takes no pleasure in his insect form. In fact, he never overcomes his feelings of alienation from the rest of the human race and eventually dies a sad and lonely death.

I think you'll enjoy Greg by Dirk Walbrecker. It's a neatly-told story, and really quite funny. If you're interested, and if you are an older reader, you might like to compare it with Kafka's Metamorphosis. See how the two authors use the same basic ideas to come up with two completely different stories.
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Nat, girl, age 16, from United Kingdom, on 15th July 2005. Rating: 9/10

This story is a fascinating read. It'll depress you! It's also funny in places, read this!

Dude, I ask for a summary and you post something even longer? There's no way I'm reading that. :laughings:
 
Thats a shame, you're missing out. Nat, girl, age 16, from the UK, thinks you should read it.
 
Public Enemy pretty much is the epitome of the vehicle Rap/Hip Hop whatever you wanna call it, can and should be.

I have yet to hear anything as as gripping in a rap or hiphop album as Fear of a Black Planet.

Sure, i don't listen to alot of underground hip hop and i don't scour myspace for the next big 'producer' (faggotry) but since that album dropped in 1990 nothing has come close to it....


My opinion only. couldn't give a fuck if you agree or disagree really.

It had message, it was not narcissitic or ego showboating lameness that is everywhere today, musically it was complex, diverse and raised your blood pressure.

I like that sort of thing. Public Enemy is to rap is what Minor Threat is to punk and Slayer is to Metal.

And for the record Public Enemy actually sampled Slayer on 'She Watch Channel Zero'.

Purveyors that are hard to imitate. Thay have a casue, and a talent to take it to people that don't wanna be spoon fed generic drivvel.





Nothing has come close to that record in hip hop since then.
 
Unfortunately you're right about that. And I don't expect the average hip-hop guy to climb to the top of the charts, I'm just saying there is a little corner of rap that is worth something and is interested in progression. And the whole genre is not based on Ebonics.

It might as well be based on Ebonics lol. I can't think of any rap song that uses proper English or the proper form of any other language. Which makes it the equivalent of Ebonics in my opinion :laughings:

Keep in mind I'm not saying this stuff to be offensive. I'm not judging these people or looking down on them. You can't judge some one's character based on his level of education of life experience. When it comes to something like music I already have a pretty good idea of what I'm going to be hearing...
 
Thats a shame, you're missing out. Nat, girl, age 16, from the UK, thinks you should read it.

Sorry to disappoint her. I don't know what I did to pack your vagina so full of sand, but I'm sure it was awesome to have you going on like this. :laughings:
 
Sorry to disappoint her. I don't know what I did to pack your vagina so full of sand, but I'm sure it was awesome to have you going on like this. :laughings:

I am not so sure he knows either ahaha.
 
Sorry to disappoint her. I don't know what I did to pack your vagina so full of sand, but I'm sure it was awesome to have you going on like this. :laughings:

It was actually funny. The story of how Greg turned into a caterpillar because he couldn't fit in with society and felt alienated. Not to mention he had a bad crush on this bad ass bitch that his older brother started banging just to piss him off... :D
 
I am not so sure he knows either ahaha.

This is just another classic case of someone getting offended by me for no good reason whatsoever, and then lashing out like they're gonna be the one to change me. :laughings: :laughings:
 
It was actually funny. The story of how Greg turned into a caterpillar because he couldn't fit in with society and felt alienated. Not to mention he had a bad crush on this bad ass bitch that his older brother started banging just to piss him off... :D

Sounds really clever. Maybe it can be converted into a rap musical with guns, drugs, fatherless babies, and raping fat white bitches. :laughings:
 
This is just another classic case of someone getting offended by me for no good reason whatsoever, and then lashing out like they're gonna be the one to change me. :laughings: :laughings:

you dissed his 'livlihood'


:laughings::laughings::laughings:
 
those hip hop guys are like that. big feelin and thenthative. they'll find a dis in a simple hello sometimes.

Hence why none of em come to the cave to hang.


Not serious and self intrested enough.
 
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