KRK studio monitors, read this before buying them.

[tdukex]

World altering change (technological, social, economic, etc.) that used to take a thousand years now takes ten. The world is hurtling through the ages. Best to get on, hold on, and enjoy the ride--it's the only one your gonna get.

This post has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

However, you may positive rep me for my wizdumb.

And remember to enjoy your gear. It is, after all, what we really live for.

This space available for more wizdumbs.

 

[Obi-Wan zenabI]

When I read your f/s post, I saw what you said about series ones and series twos.... I didn't want to question anything in your f/s thread, but where did you hear about this? I use series 2's and like them, but would be interested to know if there is good reason for me to get a listen to the older ones if the chance comes up.

oh wait, maybe it was NL5's f/s post...

 

[billisa]

Funny, though...

Toyota US factories are doing great while the GM China factories didn't really save GM.....

so this insinuates to me, the US worker is not the problem with GM, but the problem lies in their management?

proofs in the pudding!

I COMPLETELY agree. Why? Acuras made in the USA are usually excellent, as our last two Subarus have been. The Corollas made in California (also rebadged as a Geo Prizm) were super. Is it management? Is it state of the art robotic assembly/computerized QC?

Could be a lot of factors, but I believe nation of origin alone is becoming far less a factor than it was, even a decade ago.

 

[Nick98338]

Thanks for the frequent reminders that it was a good idea to assemble my monitors, myself, with American produced parts.

 

[Obi-Wan zenabI]

What gives? People are still slamming China after I pretty much disproved the OP with his own previous monitor experiences.

Then no one will give a reference for KRK switching production. I questioned NL5's source on this, and CoolCat is repeating what NL5 said in the f/s thread last week or so. I'm not saying it's not so, but most negative stuff about any company seems to be readily repeated even if the original source is dubious. I for one don't really trust GC sales staff.

I mean, if I blow up monitors on my electrical system and then have trouble with their replacements without overhauling and updating my AC service... I'm definitely not going to blame the company first!

And if I read a thread on the same, I wouldn't jump in and knock China.

But I would dive in for some friendly debate!

 

[CoolCat]

its all gibberish man...

use your ears.

if your stuff breaks down and you feel screwed post it so someone else may be saved from gear buying hell.

Outsourcing has good things too, cheap prices, Shure Mexico mic's never seem to have lost their quality.

There are more positive KRK posts than negative. But don't you find it interesting when they move the production to Zimbabawa from England?
Doesnt it add some interest if they can pull it off, if they can make the outsourcing worse?

I have Squier guitars I have loved...I had US STrat's and LesPauls I loved...

but before I drop $600 bucks I like to hear several inputs, the pro's and the con's.

If you like your KRK 2 or whatever their called and they have never broken down I don;t understand the concern you have? Unless your wanting the best, which is upgrading imo...nothing wrong with upgrading and searching for the best.

If you want positive posts I love KRK RP8's and the V8's I heard the guys blaring seemed to handle loud volumes better than any monitor I ever heard!
fhkng V8's eat up volume....they seem to even sound better the louder they go in my worthless opinion.

and I don't trust managers with degree's in accounting to make engineering decisons and don't trust them to make decisons in the best interest of sound and performance.

if that makes any sense.

 

[mattkw80]

Obi-wan,

China's reputation for poor quality is well known and documented.

Electronics, Toys, Food, etc. etc.

They are also well known for their knock off products.

Not sure why you are so pro-china, but their lack of proper quality control is a fact.

 

[billisa]

China's reputation for poor quality is well known and documented. Not sure why you are so pro-china, but their lack of proper quality control is a fact.

Please cite the documentation. I am very interested to learn.

 

[mattkw80]

No problem.

Be back in a little bit.

I've got to run out for a moment.

 

[Greg_L]

I have RP8's. Love em.

 

[CoolCat]

There's a Home Theater magazine, I think Feb form 2006 or 2007 when Wharfedale speakers moved to China from England. The CEO was interviewed and he talks of the #1 concern is the QC in China, bad product in front of the customers can ruin a company.
Poor quality is a big, if not the biggest concern, for a company moving to any 3rd world country. It was an interesting article, pretty much pro-outsourcing though....but seeing the huge huge factory now making 100 brand speakers under the same roof, it sure didn't have a "personal touch"...

it was more like a McDonald Hamburger feel...mass produced. I eat McDonald burgers sometimes, but I don't expect much either and their cheap.
I call them rubber burgers.

 

[mattkw80]

Animal Food, People Food, Drugs, Electronics, Tires, Golf Clubs, Knock Off Products, People Dying...... etc.

Sorry I couldn't find alot of documents for you guys.... if you want, later on I can do a better search and come up with thousands more news paper articles, magazine articles, blogs, and white papers on the lack of quality control in China.

This should get you started anyway......



http://www.businessinsurance.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?article_id=22715

http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/11/09/toys-r-us-join-massive-recall-due-to-ghb-in-china-toys/

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/23/health/main3197177.shtml

http://chinarecalls.wordpress.com/

http://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/stories/2007/10/01/daily39.html?ana=from_rss

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0198-419410/China-recall-crisis-underscores-risks.html

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/confetti-lead-china-47112912

http://www.manmonthly.com.au/articles/Another-Chinese-recall_z62086.htm

http://www.china.org.cn/english/government/212231.htm

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/01/asia/dumpling.php

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46896/Dog-Food-Recall-and-Cat-Food-Recall

http://forums.allthingsfeathered.net/index.php?showtopic=3121

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20254745/

http://www.plastics.com/communities/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=26518

http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2008/01board_games_made_in_china_
reca.html


http://technorati.com/tag/Thomas+The+Train+Recall

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2007-08-02-toy-fright_N.ht
m

http://www.masspirg.org/news-releases/healthy-communities/healthy-communit
ies/statement-of-u_s_-pirg-consumer-program-director-ed-mierzwinski-on-lat
est-mattel/china-recall

http://www.therawfeed.com/2007/05/why-us-allows-poison-food-from-china.htm
l

http://www.rense.com/general76/d3m.htm

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/06/news/toxic.php

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3058844

http://www.hemmy.net/2007/04/29/chinese-fake-brands/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20050518.RTICKMAIN18/TPSt
ory/Sports/Golf/

http://www.titoma.com.tw/quality-control-china-taiwan.shtml

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070726/071839.shtml

http://www.aon.com/uk/en/about/media-centre/chinese.jsp

http://www.prlog.org/10034119-american-metal-is-cashing-in-on-quality.html




I think you'll find most sources reputable.

ie: New York Times, ABC News, USA Today, MSNBC, etc.

 

[mattkw80]

There's a Home Theater magazine, I think Feb form 2006 or 2007 when Wharfedale speakers moved to China from England. The CEO was interviewed and he talks of the #1 concern is the QC in China, bad product in front of the customers can ruin a company.

Are you sure Cool Cat ?

Some of the poster's here do not believe that China has a QC problem - or at least, are just hearing about it for the first time today.

Which is strange I find, because it's in the news everyday - and sometimes it results in people getting injured, or killed.

 

[billisa]

Toy recalls? Please. Salmonella, mad-cow, e-coli, separating tires, rolling SUVs, exploding batteries -- large-scale recalls of food products and goods originating and handled far away from China.

Increased Chinese manufacture simply has to result in increased issues because no recalls ever emanate from a place that doesn't make anything.

The gear I have from China is just very high quality electronics, affording professional results when required... It lasts and performs well out of proportion to the price. The last item I purchased is unconditionally warrantied by the manufacturer for 3 years. If they are concerned about QC, they have an odd way of showing it.

 

[mattkw80]

Toy recalls? Please. Salmonella, mad-cow, e-coli, separating tires, rolling SUVs, exploding batteries -- large-scale recalls of food products and goods originating and handled far away from China.

Increased Chinese manufacture simply has to result in increased issues because no recalls ever emanate from a place that doesn't make anything.

The gear I have from China is just very high quality electronics, affording professional results when required... It lasts and performs well out of proportion to the price. The last item I purchased is unconditionally warrantied by the manufacturer for 3 years. If they are concerned about QC, they have an odd way of showing it.

Good - I guess all China's quality problems are over then.

Everybody - billisa has bought some items from China - that we're of quality..... so therefore, the problem does not exist.

( I also have many Chinese products - that have never killed me. But like most people, I'd rather see the American made label , not the universal symbol for 'Dollar Store' )

Most people in this BBS are forever slamming Behringer, Chinese Mics and Capsules, Chinese music gear, Chinese anything - are you denying a general lack of quaility in Chinese products ?

 

[CoolCat]

maybe i should have said "cost cutting" measures and not mentioned outsourcing.

even though outsourcing is a cost cutting measure.

 

[mattkw80]

maybe i should have said "cost cutting" measures and not mentioned outsourcing.

even though outsourcing is a cost cutting measure.

It doesn't matter what is said, or how many articles from the media are referenced - billisa refuses to believe there is any problem.

And remember - to quote billisa " Increased Chinese manufacture simply has to result in increased issues because no recalls ever emanate from a place that doesn't make anything."

Whatever that means.

 

[TyphoidHippo]

 

[tdukex]

Every country has quality control problems.

 

[billisa]

Good - I guess all China's quality problems are over then.

Most people in this BBS are forever slamming Behringer, Chinese Mics and Capsules, Chinese music gear, Chinese anything - are you denying a general lack of quaility in Chinese products ?

If you believe that China's quality problems are over, fine. That's not relevant to my posts though.

YES, I am denying a "general lack of quality in Chinese products." Why this isn't clear, I cannot imagine.

Having been on this board for years, I can more accurately assess that people disparage certain items/brands and sing praises about others, while both categories of these items are often made in China -- mics, synthesizers, rack effects, Hard Drives, recorders, etc, etc.