Worst solo ever.

[timmerman]

You don't like Velvet Revolver? Even a little? At all

I think if I was 15 and never heard any Guns I probably would, but I have to be honest to say "I am not impressed"

Why not? Feel the songsstructures are very similar, the lyrics are about..........well yeah about what? The guitartones are very much the same, and the solos are all so similar, noone really stands out, even the opening riffs.

I borrowed the album from one of my pupils [ he is 16, and feels the same about this album, and that is before I had even heard it: He said, "Oh this is nothing like Guns, and Slash his playing has not really changed at all"]

You see, we were talking about tone, solos and riffs and at some point I made a reference to Slash and the fact that the Guns albums were more than 10 years ago and that his playing should be a little different.

What I do not like about the First Guns album is the way it sounds, the recording, but the playing is great. Now that is another discussion eh? The tone on the album is what people were going for in the late 80s, so again, I am sure even Slash today is probably not happy with the sound of "Appetite........"

So Velvet may still rock when they play live, great sound, but the album does not do it for me. Heh, I am probably looking for something else eh? Something which is a bit more of an adventure to listen to.

cheers,

Eddie

 

[mshilarious]

Well, Scott Weiland is a much, much better singer than Axl.

I don't mind the tones on Appetite. The drums well it was the '80s, it couldn't be helped

 

[GoldFalcon]

Luciano Pavarotti, Celine Dion, Mariah Carry and Stevie Nicks

Now, I know you did not mean to lump Pavarotti and Stevie Nicks in with Mariah Carey and Celine Dion. That couldn't have been intentional.

Pavarotti is so friggin full of emotion that a roadie has to stand next to him with a stick because every time he opens his mouth his heart tries to pop out of his throat.

Stevie Nicks makes you feel exactly what she is singing even when you have no earthly idea what that is. Her voice sounds like it has been soaked in life, dipped in whiskey and had the hell beat out of it by a gravel road.

Celine Dion is a great singer no doubt (and I don't happen to think she lacks emotion) but her choices of material became uninteresting. Everything she ever sang sounded remarkably similar to everything she ever sang.

Mariah, well, she was always just an attractive shell that housed amazing vocal range. That's it. No more emotion than yesterday's bird nest.

I'll say one last thing on the Cobain thing. I'm sure that we are all aquainted with pre-show jitters and nervousness. As musicians and artists we have an inherrant need for affirmation and accolades. Do you realize the amount of just plain courage it took for Kurt to front a three piece band in 1987? Would you have gotten up on stage with those chops when Heavy Metal shreddery was at its zenith? The fact that he took those chops from backwoods Washington state to a major metropolis and helped fuel a musical revolution that made literally hundreds[/d] of other Seattle area musicians much, much, richer ought to say enough about his playing.

What other performer could be said to be second only to Microsoft in their impact on the local economy in the 1990's?

 

[Farview]

Worst solo toss up

You decide, I can't

 

[Khompewtur]

In all reality the "best solo", "worst solo" thing is so subjective to your own personal opinion it's not even worth the effort. To me a solo by Jimmy Page or SRV has tons of emotion, where as a Steve Via / Satriani solo has tons of technical prowise, but no emotion.

I thought Satch displayed a lot of emotion on 'Rubina's Blue Sky of Happiness'. My sister and brother in law liked it so much that when she walked down the aisle at her outdoor wedding it was to this song. Emotion from Satch is usually on the happy or playful side.

 

[Khompewtur]

Am I any closer to 1,000 posts yet? Curse the Cave making me have to post in other forums!

 

[Farview]

Emotion from Satch is usually on the happy or playful side.

That's because it's easier to wank over shuffles. Shuffles are almost always happy.

 

[Khompewtur]

That's because it's easier to wank over shuffles. Shuffles are almost always happy.

Yup, I find Satch boogie just fun. Very technical and hard to play but it doesn't try to pass itself off with any undue gravity. To be enjoyed the same way you would "Rush hour: 2", big budget, plenty of explosions, and good fun.


The Rubina song isn't very difficult and didn't even have a solo in it and goes to show that Satch was thinking about the strength of the composition and not always about showing off technicals.

 

[Farview]

I'm just jaded, I have been abused by dozens of virtuoso guitarists. I have lost the ability to like that sort of thing.

 

[Khompewtur]

I'm just jaded, I have been abused by dozens of virtuoso guitarists. I have lost the ability to like that sort of thing.

Yeah, i can see where you're coming from. I think when I was learning it was fun to go through this kind of material (and educational if your bag needs some new licks) but I haven't paid much attention to it for many years. It's probably a good idea for someone just starting out to go through these guys but I'm by no means advocating them as the pinnacle of good music, just good playing.

You know who bugs me is Yngwie. Fast as hell hands, I've never even attempted to keep up but MAN who is writing those songs?? Ugh! One-trick sweep picker king. I tried a scalloped fretboard a couple times, it sucked.

 

[mshilarious]

You know who bugs me is Yngwie. Fast as hell hands, I've never even attempted to keep up but MAN who is writing those songs?? Ugh! One-trick sweep picker king. I tried a scalloped fretboard a couple times, it sucked.

I have one of his tunes in my head. I think it's "Hundreds of Thousands" or something like that. It's been in my head for twenty years and it won't go away

 

[GoldFalcon]

To be enjoyed the same way you would "Rush hour: 2"

So, I should enjoy it while securing the noose around my neck and attaching the bomb pack for good measure then?

 

[Khompewtur]

I have one of his tunes in my head. I think it's "Hundreds of Thousands" or something like that. It's been in my head for twenty years and it won't go away

Hundreds of Thousands of what? Notes?? He makes me feel like the king of Prussia in Amadeus. You have my sympathies

So, I should enjoy it while securing the noose around my neck and attaching the bomb pack for good measure then?

LOL!! Ok so in your case for my metaphor to work you need to pick a different movie that you enjoy which is slick and entertaining but not of much gravity. I don't think I've even seen RH2 but I thought I was picking a common denominator example.

or movie*s^(e - g)

I just read Jackie Chan is 50 and thinking about quitting doing his own stunts. I thought he was younger, he's one tough dood. Thumbs up Jackie!


Oh p.s. I noticed your screenname, are you a goldfalcon fan or somehow involved?

 

[mshilarious]

Hundreds of Thousands of what? Notes?? He makes me feel like the king of Prussia in Amadeus. You have my sympathies

OK I just looked it up. There is no such title, or the title came from something else. I'm pretty sure the song in my head is "Black Star".

 

[timmerman]

You know who bugs me is Yngwie. Fast as hell hands, I've never even attempted to keep up but MAN who is writing those songs?? Ugh! One-trick sweep picker king. I tried a scalloped fretboard a couple times, it sucked.

He is certainly someone you should not listen to every day. His first two or three records have some good songs, yes I know, they all sound very similar so does his playing, but that is his style eh? Noone else does it with that kind of attitude.


When you listen to some of his earlier stuff I can hear the fun in it, I know, it is hard to realise that he still does that thing and not much more, but if you get a buzz out of some of his songs than that is fine, after all that is what music is all about eh?

 

[timmerman]

I'm just jaded, I have been abused by dozens of virtuoso guitarists. I have lost the ability to like that sort of thing.

Are you talking about heavy rock guitarists?

What about some Jazz-players, some folks guys, some whatever guys.................music is so rich and the guitar is so versatile. You cannot get bored with it [or well I least I cannot] for there is so much in it, and it does not matter how long you have been at it. I have been playing for nearly 20 years and I still love it as much as day one, in fact I even love it more as I can do so much more.

Okay playing and listening is not the same, but I enjoy listening a lot as well, and same there, I do not get bored with it. Before I came here [ I use computer services in a public library here in town] I was listening to my first LP, it was "Some Girls" by the Stones, and still love those guitartones and how Keith and Ron weave in and out of each other. I know different subject altogether so let me get back to listening to you guys...........

Eddie

 

[timmerman]

Well, Scott Weiland is a much, much better singer than Axl.

I don't mind the tones on Appetite. The drums well it was the '80s, it couldn't be helped

But Scott Weiland does not have the attitude of Axl.

Okay okay, heh you know what, talking about those drums? Not the sound but the groove. Could it be they have been added later after they had finished the basic tracks, and also added by another drummer as well?

Why do I think that? Well listen closely, it seems that bass and rhthm guitar groove, but the drums just sit there, almost like a tonal aspect ["Hell we need drums here eh, so let us stick some on there man" ] but really they do not sit well in the rhythm-section.

I have read somewhere a long time ago that there was trouble with the drummer, the whole band was good, but the drummer was not all that great, and therefore I can imagine that they did the drums later by another guy. Now they may not have had that much time to finish the recording off properly as it seem to be so obvious that there is something going on there, but who cares? It is only much later that these things get picked on by guys like us here so.............

Am I just making this up or does anyone of you hear something as well here.......???

Eddie

 

[Codmate]

I'll say one last thing on the Cobain thing. I'm sure that we are all aquainted with pre-show jitters and nervousness. As musicians and artists we have an inherrant need for affirmation and accolades. Do you realize the amount of just plain courage it took for Kurt to front a three piece band in 1987? Would you have gotten up on stage with those chops when Heavy Metal shreddery was at its zenith? The fact that he took those chops from backwoods Washington state to a major metropolis and helped fuel a musical revolution that made literally hundreds[/d] of other Seattle area musicians much, much, richer ought to say enough about his playing.

What other performer could be said to be second only to Microsoft in their impact on the local economy in the 1990's?

And there was me thinking he just copied the Pixies and got lucky

 

[Farview]

Are you talking about heavy rock guitarists?

What about some Jazz-players, some folks guys, some whatever guys.................music is so rich and the guitar is so versatile. You cannot get bored with it [or well I least I cannot] for there is so much in it, and it does not matter how long you have been at it. I have been playing for nearly 20 years and I still love it as much as day one, in fact I even love it more as I can do so much more.

Okay playing and listening is not the same, but I enjoy listening a lot as well, and same there, I do not get bored with it. Before I came here [ I use computer services in a public library here in town] I was listening to my first LP, it was "Some Girls" by the Stones, and still love those guitartones and how Keith and Ron weave in and out of each other. I know different subject altogether so let me get back to listening to you guys...........

Eddie

Yes, I'm talking about the metal guys. All the Yngwie wannabes. Anyone who thinks sweep picking is an art form as opposed to a tool (you know, like an ice pick....in your eye) Anyone who writes mindless shuffles at 160bpm so they can show you just how fast fast is. In 1985 it was interesting, maybe even cool, but now I'm just tired of it.

On the other hand, the rest of the people that come in here have a hard time forming the 3 chords that their tunes consist of. It seems like everyone I run into is incompetent or over competent.

 

[timmerman]

............on the other hand, the rest of the people that come in here have a hard time forming the 3 chords that their tunes consist of. It seems like everyone I run into is incompetent or over competent.

Maybe it is time then that we should meet

Need to go now as time is up for today.........

Later