Why So Many Home Songs Suck

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hates recording said:
Whether it's good or not is irrelevant, if it doesnt sound top notch, it's going to stay right here on home recording forum, you know this you have been here 6 years.

and it's not likely to change
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So which is it? To achieve your dream of being on commerical radio, does the recording have to be good, or does the song have to be good? Make up your mind.
 
Steenamaroo said:
Of course it's not, now that you've just added PR guy to the list.
He also didn't manufacture his own cd covers, so I guess he definitely doesn't count. :facepalm:

My recordings do exactly what I want them to do.
The word client suggests that I'm running a business, which is exactly where you've gone wrong here from the start.
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Well you said you certainly havenet hindered his career, but you have by making him be represented by your home recordings.
 
Greg_L said:
So which is it? To achieve your dream of being on commerical radio, does the recording have to be good, or does the song have to be good? Make up your mind.
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If you are a noboDy like yourself, it has to be both, if you are lucky enough to have connections you might be able to get away with a really great recording.

NOT THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT
 
Hello all, it has been a few months since I have posted anything but I have been following what is going on in the forum. As for what Mr. or Ms. "Hates" is saying, I think I kind of understand the point he/she is trying to make. To start with, I am all for home recording so don't blast me for being against it. To all you old farts out there who have been making music for more than half a century like I have, I think you will understand this and maybe even agree with me. What I think "Hates" is trying to say here is that since the advent of easily accessible home recording equipment musicians/singers/songwriters no longer have to spend years honing their craft and working/earning their way into the recording studio. You all remember what it was like in the 60s and 70s? We played countless school dances, city parks, friends birthday parties and finally working our way into Moose Lodges and American Legion halls (for those of you who grew up in America) and small bars. We played anywhere we had the opportunity whether we played for free or got payed with free food or beer or sometimes actual money. The point is, we spent years of blood, sweat, and tears learning our craft, paying our dues just like those who finally made it into a recording studio and recording contracts. These days there is all to often little or no discipline in the home recording studio, and I think this mostly applies to the youngsters out there not so much to us long time musical veterans. I think there is a lot to be said for having payed your dues and earning your way into the studio.

Having said all that, I believe that if contemporary music is ever going to crawl its way out of the deep abyss it has tumbled into over the last 15 or 20 years, it will be by way of the independent musicians/singers/songwriters recording at home away from the influence of the corporate machine that wants music to fit into their mold.
 
hates recording said:
Well you said you certainly havenet hindered his career, but you have by making him be represented by your home recordings.
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You can make all the assumptions you want, but like I say it's yet to be a limiting factor for him.
No one's ever listened to his record and said, "we like the songs....but....."

It may well happen at some stage, but neither of us can confidently make claims about where and when.
 
hates recording said:
If you are a noboy like yourself, it has to be both, if you are lucky enough to have connections you might be abkle to get away with a really great recording.

NOT THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT
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I'm glad you are here to enlighten me. Us nobodies gotta stick together.
 
Illsidgus said:
Hello all, it has been a few months since I have posted anything but I have been following what is going on in the forum. As for what Mr. or Ms. "Hates" is saying, I think I kind of understand the point he/she is trying to make. To start with, I am all for home recording so don't blast me for being against it. To all you old farts out there who have been making music for more than half a century like I have, I think you will understand this and maybe even agree with me. What I think "Hates" is trying to say here is that since the advent of easily accessible home recording equipment musicians/singers/songwriters no longer have to spend years honing their craft and working/earning their way into the recording studio. You all remember what it was like in the 60s and 70s? We played countless school dances, city parks, friends birthday parties and finally working our way into Moose Lodges and American Legion halls (for those of you who grew up in America) and small bars. We played anywhere we had the opportunity whether we played for free or got payed with free food or beer or sometimes actual money. The point is, we spent years of blood, sweat, and tears learning our craft, paying our dues just like those who finally made it into a recording studio and recording contracts. These days there is all to often little or no discipline in the home recording studio, and I think this mostly applies to the youngsters out there not so much to us long time musical veterans. I think there is a lot to be said for having payed your dues and earning your way into the studio.

Having said all that, I believe that if contemporary music is ever going to crawl its way out of the deep abyss it has tumbled into over the last 15 or 20 years, it will be by way of the independent musicians/singers/songwriters recording at home away from the influence of the corporate machine that wants music to fit into their mold.
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Tha'ts all fine and dandy, but I'll ask again, for like the 4th time now.....why give a shit what someone else does? How is it hurting you, me, or this "hates recording" guy?
 
Illsidgus said:
Hello all, it has been a few months since I have posted anything but I have been following what is going on in the forum. As for what Mr. or Ms. "Hates" is saying, I think I kind of understand the point he/she is trying to make. To start with, I am all for home recording so don't blast me for being against it. To all you old farts out there who have been making music for more than half a century like I have, I think you will understand this and maybe even agree with me. What I think "Hates" is trying to say here is that since the advent of easily accessible home recording equipment musicians/singers/songwriters no longer have to spend years honing their craft and working/earning their way into the recording studio. You all remember what it was like in the 60s and 70s? We played countless school dances, city parks, friends birthday parties and finally working our way into Moose Lodges and American Legion halls (for those of you who grew up in America) and small bars. We played anywhere we had the opportunity whether we played for free or got payed with free food or beer or sometimes actual money. The point is, we spent years of blood, sweat, and tears learning our craft, paying our dues just like those who finally made it into a recording studio and recording contracts. These days there is all to often little or no discipline in the home recording studio, and I think this mostly applies to the youngsters out there not so much to us long time musical veterans. I think there is a lot to be said for having payed your dues and earning your way into the studio.

Having said all that, I believe that if contemporary music is ever going to crawl its way out of the deep abyss it has tumbled into over the last 15 or 20 years, it will be by way of the independent musicians/singers/songwriters recording at home away from the influence of the corporate machine that wants music to fit into their mold.
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Yes, but the music will still have to be heard, people are going to hear that which is easily in reach, thats how it's always been.

I just think the home recording industry is making money off of this and music is weakening and will continue to weaken,

What really is needed is for people to get interested in live venues again. But the economy is so bad, people dont want to spend three or four hours at a live music venues and spend 75 to 100 bucks, when they can go somewhere cheap and listen to the pa.
 
Lol @ the "home recording industry" - like they're this one evil corporation keeping everyone down.
 
I thought this was quite funny looking.
I know it only covers Northern Ireland, but still.
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He was on there for three or four weeks.
 
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Yes, it's a hobby, it's fun. but it's also extremely expensive, time consuming and fruitless.
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That pretty much says it. All hobbies are expensive, time consuming and fruitless. That's why they're called hobbies.
I can't even recount the money I have spent on hobbies, from restoring sports cars and pinball machines, to playing music and home recording to, as a child, racing slot cars and making models. But the return has been priceless! Not in the terms of income or fame but in self satisfaction, knowledge, and just plain fun.
 
darscuzlo said:
That pretty much says it. All hobbies are expensive, time consuming and fruitless. That's why they're called hobbies.
I can't even recount the money I have spent on hobbies, from restoring sports cars and pinball machines, to playing music and home recording to, as a child, racing slot cars and making models. But the return has been priceless! Not in the terms of income or fame but in self satisfaction, knowledge, and just plain fun.
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But self satisfaction doesnt pay the bills. At some point the hobbies got to go, especially in this economy. Im guessing most here dont have families, mortages, and kids to put through college.
 
Greg_L said:
Tha'ts all fine and dandy, but I'll ask again, for like the 4th time now.....why give a shit what someone else does? How is it hurting you, me, or this "hates recording" guy?
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Hey, I agree with you Greg, I'm just trying to gain a little perspective here.

This is to "Hates", America is performing in my area on 17 November, and I can get a pretty decent seat for $58.00. But this is America without Dan Peek. I would rather watch old America videos on YouTube rather than America without Dan. Now $58.00 is a good price, but so many of the big names out there now you couldn't even walk past the venue for $58.00. I would rather spend my money on a good 12 string right now than go to a concert.
 
Illsidgus said:
Hey, I agree with you Greg, I'm just trying to gain a little perspective here.

This is to "Hates", America is performing in my area on 17 November, and I can get a pretty decent seat for $58.00. But this is America without Dan Peek. I would rather watch old America videos on YouTube rather than America without Dan. Now $58.00 is a good price, but so many of the big names out there now you couldn't even walk past the venue for $58.00. I would rather spend my money on a good 12 string right now than go to a concert.
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Im talking just regular live venues. Bands are having a hard time getting gigs cause of the economy, who wants to pay 5 bucks for a beer, when they can get a six for nearly the same price and stay home.

People are not as interested in music as they used to be, i guess the net gives them more options, such as commenting here.

Sad, but a musician used to have a valuable service to offer people, now they have nothing.

I would go for the guitar too, but next month you might wanna get out and see some live music.
 
I actually have the most respect for 'delusional' rock stars. Out of this group of 'delusionists' have come some of the greatest bands/talent; mainly because their musical passion pushed them on in the face of adversity, and ill will.
These are people that give up everything to peruse their dream. That needs to be respected, not rejected.
 
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