Why So Many Home Songs Suck

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Greg_L said:
That's pretty much how I feel about it. I like the concept of an "album". Not concept albums, but making an album. I get much personal satisfaction out of doing my own thing, and truly do not care if anyone hears it or likes it. I've written and recorded dozens and dozens of songs that have never polluted anyone's ears but my own. The process is fun and that's all I care about.
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Thats fine too. But whatever gear you have should be enough then. There is no need to start threads on new mics, new compressors, new de essers, and no need to buy new gear. Its not going to change the outcome of your satisfaction.

So long as it dont sound like shit.
 
Greg_L said:
Ok, so you're not really angry with the concept of home recording, but more with people spending too much of their own money on their going-nowhere hobby? Okay then. Fair enough. It's a fucking stupid thing to get upset about, but that's your call.

So the next time someone wants to buy something, should they run it by you first?
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There was no anger, not at least until you responded like I just stepped on your ant farm.
 
At first, i thought maybe you are an alias of another user, but your ip address doesn't match up. Not that that isn't easy to get around, so you still might be an alias... but definitely a troll.

You signed up here just to piss about home recording?? What difference does it make to you?? And why would it bother you so much you're compelled to sign up at a home recording forum to bitch about home recordings??
 
hates recording said:
Thats fine too. But whatever gear you have should be enough then. There is no need to start threads on new mics, new compressors, new de essers, and no need to buy new gear. Its not going to change the outcome of your satisfaction.

So long as it dont sound like shit.
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Now we're getting somewhere. I knew if I chipped away at you the real truth behind your madness would come out.

Why does it upset you what people decide to buy?

While I agree with what I think is your basic point of people relying too much on gear, new, or more specifically, different gear CAN change the outcome of one's satisfaction. Why don't photographers just stick with whatever lens comes on the camera? The same reason a guy might want a single coil and a humbucking guitar, or more than one cymbal. If a nice tube amp sounds better than a cheap sold state amp, then maybe the player will play more, get better, and make better recordings.
 
Chili said:
At first, i thought maybe you are an alias of another user, but your ip address doesn't match up. Not that that isn't easy to get around, so you still might be an alias... but definitely a troll.

You signed up here just to piss about home recording?? What difference does it make to you?? And why would it bother you so much you're compelled to sign up at a home recording forum to bitch about home recordings??
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You only need worry if I think you are a troll. Dont threaten me like you are some powerful entitity, you are a bird brained dolt who cant understand a thread.

Ill say whatever I want to, it shows you are spending more time on a foum than recording. I havent been here since i signed up the other day.

I dont know what or who you thought, but im not he/she pinhead.
 
hates recording said:
You only need worry if I think you are a troll. Dont threaten me like you are some powerful entitity, you are a bird brained dolt who cant understand a thread.

Ill say whatever I want to, it shows you are spending more time on a foum than recording. I havent been here since i signed up the other day.

I dont know what or who you thought, but im not he/she pinhead.
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:laughings: :laughings: :thumbs up:
 
anyways...

trolling, crabbing aside, i wanna say this: those shitty homerecorders doing it 'the wrong way?' they're doing it differently, and maybe it's rough, a little off, etc., but there is value there. i've learned so much from other diy/hobbyist recordings because i put aside my expectations of Black Eyed Peas-level super-producing. i take it for what it is, enjoy it, and learn new techniques/approaches/methods.

the OP's elitist attitude gets so old, so quick. nobody's the real gatekeeper on music legitimacy, k?
 
The real reason for the thread is a concern for a lack of songwriting. At one time a great songwriter was needed, still is, as were a great artist,
a great musician, a great engineer and a great producer.

Home recording folks think they are all of those things rolled into one, not realizing that it could take a lifetime to master one.

Its making music the crap that is becoming, it takes a talented team to make great records, not beer drinking couch potatoes recording at home
 
hates recording said:
Music is its own reward but recording it, not really. Not unless you can at least break even in your expenses.
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There are many pursuits that humans undertake for recreation: gardening, playing golf, yachting, building model trains and so on.

These pursuits are not required to make a profit or break even. Recording is no different. You don't have to be good at them. You can spend as much or as little as you like on them. Some golfers will spend a fortune on clubs and caddies and club membership and never will be any good. So what?

The pharaphernalia of any pursuit is a means to an end. But that 'end' is not limited to commecial success. The end can be the enjoyment of the pursuit, or elevation of esteem, and so on. The end can simply be to accumulate equipment. They are all valid reasons for doing something.
 
hates recording said:
The real reason for the thread is a concern for a lack of songwriting. At one time a great songwriter was needed, still is, as were a great artist,
a great musician, a great engineer and a great producer.

Home recording folks think they are all of those things rolled into one, not realizing that it could take a lifetime to master one.

Its making music the crap that is becoming, it takes a talented team to make great records, not beer drinking couch potatoes recording at home
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There is an important point here. In the mid-eighties, the home computer became into its own, and so did desktop publishing. People with their Apple II compters and Quark decided to do their own printing and publishing. The result was a mess of poorly designed, poorly proofed brochures, posters, pamphlets etc, because those people, though they had the equipment, did not have the knowledge, skill and experience required to produce quality results. I think the same was true for digital recording when it became accessible and affordable about ten years later.

However, I don't agree that "Its making music the crap that is becoming". The crap music that may have been made never got to see the light of the day, and the "crap music" on mainstream radio emerged, not from home recordists, but from commercial studios.

Nor do I agree with your assessment of homerecordists as "beer drinking couch potatoes recording at home". That is a very sweeping statement of no substance.
 
gecko zzed said:
There are many pursuits that humans undertake for recreation: gardening, playing golf, yachting, building model trains and so on.

These pursuits are not required to make a profit or break even. Recording is no different. You don't have to be good at them. You can spend as much or as little as you like on them. Some golfers will spend a fortune on clubs and caddies and club membership and never will be any good. So what?

The pharaphernalia of any pursuit is a means to an end. But that 'end' is not limited to commecial success. The end can be the enjoyment of the pursuit, or elevation of esteem, and so on. The end can simply be to accumulate equipment. They are all valid reasons for doing something.
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Has to be some spark, some flicker of a light in the minds of somebody who spends all day on a recording forum, spends thousands and
spends countless hours, that someday, somehow somehow, their work might be recognized.

It's the same with an instrument. I played in a band in high school with a guitarist so good, he became a replacement george harrison, on a beatle tribute band. And had worked with some big names recording.

He LOVED the guitar walked around all day with it. Ran into him about 5 years ago, and he told me he was married, driving a truck, and sold all his gear, because he wasnt able to make a living and had a family. And that his music couldnt co exist with his new lifestyle.

I was shocked, but this was a guy that had alot of opportunity fall through his hands. Lack of success wears on you.

But with recording, there has to be some hope, otherwise you wouldnt do it.
 
Other hobbies can be just as expensive and time consuming, but your idea of 'fruitless' indicates to me that you are experiencing frustration on your own part. 99% of the people doing home recording know that it is only a hobby for them - and those who actually put out music in a commercial fashion (to sell, or give away) are not doing it to make a living, but to get their music heard by others. If it happens to generate a little income that helps support the hobby, all the better.

I agree that some people's music (and genres) are really substanceless songs that people just crank out without thought - I do music backgrounds for my racing videos this way, just pick out some chord patterns, and start laying down tracks. On the other hand, when I am working on real songs, they start with an inspiration - typically lyrical - and develop from there.
 
mjbphotos said:
Other hobbies can be just as expensive and time consuming, but your idea of 'fruitless' indicates to me that you are experiencing frustration on your own part. 99% of the people doing home recording know that it is only a hobby for them - and those who actually put out music in a commercial fashion (to sell, or give away) are not doing it to make a living, but to get their music heard by others. If it happens to generate a little income that helps support the hobby, all the better.

I agree that some people's music (and genres) are really substanceless songs that people just crank out without thought - I do music backgrounds for my racing videos this way, just pick out some chord patterns, and start laying down tracks. On the other hand, when I am working on real songs, they start with an inspiration - typically lyrical - and develop from there.
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Music is a bit different than other hobbies. Music is a form of communication, without an audience to connect with, it's dead.

Even photography, many do it for money others for fun, but it would be quite a boring hobby if nobody ever saw any of it.
 
Greg_L said:
I think this guy is upset about something.
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Probably just coughed up hundreds/thousands for recording equipment and couldn't figure out how to use it or the results were so pitiful, he is now overcompensating in an attempt to make it all seem useless.
I'm not a psychologist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once! :thumbs up:
 
mjbphotos said:
Probably just coughed up hundreds/thousands for recording equipment and couldn't figure out how to use it or the results were so pitiful, he is now overcompensating in an attempt to make it all seem useless.
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Totally agree.
 
mjbphotos said:
Probably just coughed up hundreds/thousands for recording equipment and couldn't figure out how to use it or the results were so pitiful, he is now overcompensating in an attempt to make it all seem useless.
I'm not a psychologist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once! :thumbs up:
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Listened to your music ion reverbnation. Your music makes my case for me.

Work on your guitar playing your singing, your timing, and your songwriting, and you may be on to something.
 
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