why do you need a hardware mixer?

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Re: You guys and your soundcards!

A Reel Person said:
-[dude] I've got 4 inputs, nyah nyah,...
-[other] Nuh-uh, I got 6, so there,...
-[other] My 10 input soundcard'll kick both yer asses,...
-[other] I'm gonna cascade two or three of these things together for 20 or 30 inputs, and kick all of your asses, combined!

Geez,... soundcards!

Hey, Mixers RULE!;)

True!

Yeah , one could perform similar functions with software, but where is that natural joy one gets tweaking a knob,pressing a button, cut/boost eq, repatching etc.
Not thru no d@mn mouse that's fer-shure!;) :p ;)
 
Re: Re: You guys and your soundcards!

MISTERQCUE said:
True!

Yeah , one could perform similar functions with software, but where is that natural joy one gets tweaking a knob,pressing a button, cut/boost eq, repatching etc.
Not thru no d@mn mouse that's fer-shure!;) :p ;)

Powerstrip Dangler! :D
 
Re: Re: Re: You guys and your soundcards!

jitteringjim said:
Powerstrip Dangler! :D

One cannot lead a fruitful life without experiencing the force
of the "DANGLING POWERSTRIP !!!" :cool:
 
Tweaking a knob, pressing a button, sliding a fader...

that's what a control surface is for!





Of course, having said that, I'd rather have an O2R/96 than my control surface any day, but I had to throw it in there...

-mg
 
I'm surprised I am not hearing the rantings of: "mixing down on a mixer kicks the trash out of software". I recall a huge thread not long ago that went on and on about how much more real and full sounding a hardware mix was, and that even on a cheap mixer the mix was better than software due to the analog nature of it. I have decided to get a hardware mixer just to try this out and see if there really is a big difference. If there is I suppose I will be investing in some outboard effects. I am just surprised that all these people that were so strong on thier opinions haven't found this thread yet.
 
oh I feel pretty strongly about mixing through an analog console. Like I say every time, it's not about nobs (when it comes to final mix that is), I like that automation. A console just sounds fatter to my ear.
 
Too many variables to make a global call on digital vs analog mix down.

Each software company sums their 2 buss with their own math to get the final sum. This can vary from software to software and thus the sound will be different from software to software.

The same with analog. Each manufacturer has a summing circuit design. Depending on their quality, you will get varying results.

Now Neve or SSL vs software, yeah thats gonna sound better but where most of us live, under $1000 its a toss up as to which would be better. I don't use Protools but I bet it would sound better on the mix than a mackie or behringer under a grand.
 
If you don't own a mixer, never did your own recording with a mixer, don't want to spend a lot of money on outboard gear to patch into a mixer, and don't need to put groups of intruments such as drums on a submix, then you don't have to have a mixer. Is it beneficial for all the reasons stated? Probably. Will you realize all of those benefits by simply plugging in your mics before running into your card? No. Will you spend a lot more money to realize these benefits? Yes. Can your record without a mixer and monitor in real time? Yes, with the right card. I have a nice Mackie mixer sitting next to my computer. The only thing I use it for is the preamps, bypassing the mixer section altogether. The next thing you will hear is that the preamps on the mixer you just bought aren't good enough and that you must spend $500-1000 minimum for a decent preamp.
Most of the functions you will want to do can be done after recording with your software and plug-ins. Is this better? That's a different argument. Bottom-line, you are right. You don't have to have a mixer. If you find that you need one later for all the reasons given in the thread, you can buy it later, and then you will have the benefit of experience.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: You guys and your soundcards!

MISTERQCUE said:
One cannot lead a fruitful life without experiencing the force
of the "DANGLING POWERSTRIP !!!" :cool:
Is it true what they say about you black guys and your dangling power strips???:D
 
Software will one day rule the world.
Everything that we record will one day be
recreated perfectly enough that even audio freaks
won't be able to tell if hardware or software was used
to record, play, or mix a CD. They won't be able to tell
if it's a real Marshall or whatever. Off course only few would
agree to this now. People will say it can't be done and that
it's not human. But it will be done. Someday I think.
 
Deen said:
Software will one day rule the world.
Everything that we record will one day be
recreated perfectly enough that even audio freaks
won't be able to tell if hardware or software was used
to record, play, or mix a CD. They won't be able to tell
if it's a real Marshall or whatever. Off course only few would
agree to this now. People will say it can't be done and that
it's not human. But it will be done. Someday I think.

Software won't even work if you don't have hardware in which to install it. So I can safely say, you will NEVER be able to record, mix or do anything with just software. So you can stop that serious thinking.
 
Beezoboy said:
There is one more HUGE advantage to having a board though. Clients in a studio love to walk in and see a huge console stretching wall to wall, or even a studio craft large format mixer would be impressive. The more buttons the better they think you are. Thats horrible but somewhat true.

That's exactly what Digidesign figured out early on.

Also - I use a Q10..but mixers are just too kewl for skewl.

-wes
 
Deen said:
Software will one day rule the world.
Everything that we record will one day be
recreated perfectly enough that even audio freaks
won't be able to tell if hardware or software was used
to record, play, or mix a CD. They won't be able to tell
if it's a real Marshall or whatever. Off course only few would
agree to this now. People will say it can't be done and that
it's not human. But it will be done. Someday I think.

yeah that is a bit off. I see your optimism for the future, but maybe what you mean is "digital" audio instead of software?

Personally I say fuck digital in the future. 1's and 0's...way to limiting. Once we perfect nanotechnology we should be able to capture perfect analog wave forms on an indistructable medium or some crazy shit.
 
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