Why do I loose my groove after hitting the record button?

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Why does my guitar and voice sound different after hitting the record button?

While playing a song downstairs it always seems to have a different vibe, more open and relaxed. "Hurry, hurry, run upstairs," I say to myself, as tired legs push me into the modest second floor studio. Okay, now everything has to be turned on and setup for desired results. Now we fast forward an hour, we're still messing around with the mic and guitar, nothing worth while has been laid down.

Finally in an act of rage I force something across the diaphragm that will only be turned into a scary looking wave pattern on my screen. "No matter how these 1's and 0's come out at least it will be something," I yell at the computer screen. After taking a short break I come back to listen and can only say to myself, "this crap sounds like poo"!
 
Welcome to musical life. Possible reasons:

1. The equivalent of stage fright. Call it "mic fright";

2. Your recording room doesn't sound as good as your messing-around room;

3. The time it takes to set up for recording robs you of your inspiration;

4. Your inspiration wasn't that good to begin with but it takes you a while to figure that out, or the objectivity of listening to it while NOT playing it clues you in (no disrespect intended, that's just the way it is sometimes).
 
I always hear people saying things like this and I just don't quite get it. Unless I just totally forget what I played, I know that I will continue to play it better the longer I'm at it.
Anyway.....
If it takes an hour to get something set up to record...you need to rethink your layout a little. I could be recording an idea in about 15 seconds. Keep your gear at the ready.
For example. I have a amp modeler hooked into the spdif inputs of my soundcard. That never gets changed. I also have default templates set up in Sonar and my computer is always on. Open Sonar, switch on the V-Amp pro, pick up the guitar and record a track. 15 seconds tops. If I needed to record acoustic guitar and vocals, I'd have an LDC set up on a stand beside my desk, ready to go. Unless this just isn't the problem and you've just got "red-light fever". And I don't know what to tell you about that. :D
 
I used to get that too...more so when I worked by myself. You practice, prepare and think ok...I'll get this on tape now...move up to the mic, hit the record pedal and suddenly it sucks.

It's some sort of weirdo mental thing. It used to happened to me all the time. It seems to me that when I sit down in front of the mic, there's this nnatural attention to being quiet...a little more aware of your body movements and breathing. This seems to take away from what you sat down to do...play or sing.

I got over it by setting out a couple cheapie mics (never put them away) and recorded everything. Sat right up to the mics even when just practicing scales or exersizes what ever. I think that once the idea of sitting in front of the mic is old news and out of the mental focus, the playing comes back to a more natural feel.
 
Normally when you practice or play you let a bad note go and it doesn't bother you. But when you're recording, you throw out the take and start over. I've just gotten used to doing 20 or 30 takes until I get one I like. Or I cut up a part in very small bites so each measure sounds perfect. It just isn't the same thing as playing.

If I sucked less, it would be easier ;)
 
You've got to make the recording process more transparent for your creative side. You have way too many distractions between the time of the vibe and when you actually get to recording it. Get your stuff set up first. Recording yourself while downstairs just may be the answer too. Obviously there is a different vibe down there and the acoustics just may be better for the genre you are doing.
 
a definite truth is that . . . its taking too long between catching the vibe and recording . . . running up the stairs? what the phuck? :rolleyes: :eek: :eek:

but aside from that . .. i get the same thing with the lyrics i write - i nail em while im practing . . . i mean, vocal tone, breathing, inflections on various syllables for emotinal stress and EVERYTHINg

then i step in side the booth - only a few seconds later -- and my delivery is just not as emotionally "felt" as i know it just was . . .

solution 1: definitely keep playing, dropping the verse -- i now do 4 or 5 takes at least (phuck all that "i can do this in one take like jay z"- im not a millionaire with eough time on my hands where all i have to do is keep a freshly written verse on my mind - hell i work with . . . some of society's most unwelcomed, unfriendly beings . . . i cant keep a rhyme on my mind when im at work!!!!)
but i digress - after the 4th or 5th take - im finally back to where i was when i was practicing -- never realizing that even in the practice, i kept doin it over n over again as i wrote the lyric(s) in the 1st place

solution 2: . . . .
have a friend in the studio with you who can hit all the appropriate buttons - n keep your assss up stairs!!!!!
 
I've been there too. When I was single it was easy to have everything set up to record at a moment's notice. But married life in a condo does not allow me to have everything ready to go. I have to set stuff up, record, then break it down when done.

FWIW, one thing I have noticed over the years is the importance of being to record my playing (nylon string guitar) in the same manner that I was originally inspired. I mean, sitting on the bed playing guitar sounds great, but when recording I would sit in a chair by the PC and for some reason would lose the feel or tone. I now record while sitting on the bed with one mic up by ears.

And as someone already pointed out, little mistakes during an inspired moment are more forgiveable than when you're actually recording. Lately I've been recording 2 or 3 takes and then combine the best of the 3 into a single track.
 
Been there, done that. Still do sometimes. I dunno why.

I used to be a live DJ on a radio station and I'd practice my PSA's and news til I had em down and the little red light would come on and...damn...just wasn't as smooth as I had it or as relaxed. Go figure.

Bout the time I got good, I got fired. Huh, I guess the owner didn't like it when "Go pound sand in your ass" came his way...oh well... :D
 
I beleive it could be just the fact that when you are just playing to your self, your relaxed and not scared that your gunna mess up. I try to make my recording room a relaxed area, no bright lights, cool colors, lots of rugs and carpets lol. lots of beatles and john lennon posters. i try to make it feel like it's a place i could be at for a long time and not get bored or anything and that's what you need to do.
 
You need to live in your studio, and keep all your equipment powered up 24/7. That way, whenever inspiration hits you, you're set to record in seconds!!! Of course, not everyone LOVES music that much! ;)
 
I hate to be the one to point out the obvious but,...you do have the lava lamp turned on don't you?

:)
 
I constantly hear imaginary music. especially when I’m driving. the sound of the fast moving car sounds like a tune. then I get excited of the cool tune I can hear. I say I cant wait till I get home and the wife and kids are asleep so I can record this tune. then I whip out the guitar and cant think of the tune then I just start messing around and have no idea of what to record. it just sounds like something repetitive and way off the key I was hearing it in and I feel like I’m new to playing guitar :mad: . So I just put down the guitar after like 2 hours and start playing video games
 
Perhaps you're wanting to hear that mastered sound. You don't get the "big" sound until after you've mastered your final recording with all the compression and stuff. Try recording ANY popular song and you will never be happy after just laying down a few tracks.
 
Heh. Heh. I got one that nobody mentioned.

You know? When it happens to you (in general), you play with a few thoughts of what it could be. Most of the time, you just dismiss as , "Damn! Im just trippin'!!!" But not until I just read this thread (poet and dont know it!), did I realize that some of those things that you might have dismissed as a "self" problem, doesnt sit in until you see it or hear it from someone or something else.Its like "looking up" some symptoms you are having, and not realizing that you might have the flu or pneumonia until you just read it. If that made any sense to anybody....

As an artist AND a producer; i have figured something out. With one of the singers on my lable, we would suffer for so long with this problem. I always messed with him, and said he had mic fright. But whenever we went out and did shows, he would tear the house down! Sometimes even with a terrible sound system and/or microphone! But let him know that record button was red!... It was O-V-A! (over) Take after take after take!

Then when I started to record myself on a regular, i was doing the same damn thing! Just never really "noticed" it before.

After listening, and watching him, I believe its a combination of two things;

1) The first has been mentioned already; and that's its a mental thing. It's all in your head. As many artists who may care about the quality of their music and/or vocals, you'll automatically go into "concern overdrive". That's when you know it's on record, and you are going to, of course, want good takes. So you're playing to far in left-field with your mind on HOW you sound, when you should just concentrate on delivery and content, as you know it. Just sing it or play it as you always do. If you've ever zoned out on your music; THATS what you need to do in the booth, especially.


2) Then the second and probably not thought about at all: That singer i told you about. Well, he would go out karaoke joints, for "live performance" practice, tuning up for some shows we had coming up. He woould always just totally blow EVERYBODY away at the club. Just shut it down until nobody even wanted to get up there after him! Seriously.


You know what, that was another situation that LED me to the solution and answer to the "record-a-phobia" he suffered. I'll come back to that later.

When someone is in the recording booth, they have to have on headphones, of course, to hear what they are recording to. But you also hear yourself as you perform. Whenever that happens, some of us (more than you'll believe), will have a tendancy to try and make real time corrections on their immediate vocals that they are trying to lay. Some singers are simultaneously trying to HEAR themselves hit "that" note, rather than just SINGING it. I use to have to tell him to stop trying to hear the finished product BEFORE its finished, and just sing as you do "out here". All those things, you dont do without headphone, since youre not hearing yourself through TWO seperate sources, so to say.
The headphones playing you....... BACK at you (follow me)
Plus hearing yourself THROUGH yourself..you know what i mean? Its like an inner-artificial stereo effect. When you're just sitting on the couch, or at the table at a friends house, you, of course, can hear yourself, but as it is to your ears EXITING. Not with a replicated, audio image ENTERING your ears, as well.

What worked for me was........ Now im a rapper, so this may vary, but for me; when im trying to record a "hot", clear LEAD vocal, with some emotion. Without this rule of "over compensation" for corrections WHILE im recording. I insert my headphones into a differnt unit that my vocals are running through, or i sample my instro into my MPC, and rap from THAT instrumental, instead of the one that will be playing from the mixer with my mic patched through it.
But of course, some people LIKE to hear themselves as they record. So that also could be just me. But it works.

For your best convenience though. Set you a good block of time (few hours), that you can be in your environment undisturbed. Then just set your gear ready for record, hit the button, then just rcord as long as you can, without causing any damage to your HD or memory space. And just sit back, relax, and go over it unitl you can ALLOW yourself to forget you're even recording, and be able to "zone-out".

And honestly; ALL these things listed on this post are pretty right, if not all the way. A lot of the mood you try to convey in your recordings, shoud be close, if not, identical to the one you are recording in. Some like their environment mellow and laid back, some like it bright and energetic. Find what's a good mood setter that works for you. Allow yourself some unadultered time to zone. And the MOST important thing to remember BEFORE you hit record. Do it as i always do it; and try not to think about it.


Peace. God Bless Your Progress
 
Thanks for all the helpful replies.

I'm sitting here thinking about what could really be my problem. After reading through all the messages I'm stating to think that this is a combination of several answers.

1. The way I'm actually hitting record, having to move around towards the mic does not help out very much.
(This could be fixed with a wireless mouse triggered by my foot.) :)
2. While recording I seem to worry about every mistake or missed note, I try to do everything in one take.
(At this point I start to become mechanical and loose that relaxed feeling.)
3. My room is not all that interesting, more like sterile and not all that inviting if your wanting to relax.
(The lava lamp seems to be missing from my desk.) :(

There could be more to it than this but these are easy fixes except for 2, this can hopefully be fixed with a few beers. Here I'am thinking recording should be way simplier than finding people to just jam with. Oh, it will be so much more relaxing to play by yourself, nobody to deal with while making music. I failed to remember that I'm a hardass and want things done right the first time.

Okay, I'm done whinning about my minor little problems, I just don't want to end up polishing my turds some more.
 
Insightnsound said:
Why does my guitar and voice sound different after hitting the record button?

Comfort level. Make your recording area as comfortable as your downstairs space.
 
what would be cool would be a program or device that plays along with you. kind of like the keyboard that single key playing. it would follow your style and key. I ve had dreams of humming a song and it would sound like a finished product as it was going along. but when I wake up it just fades away
 
This problem is as old as recording. I used to do a coffee house gig (setting up the PA, finding the talent, passing the hat) and there was more than one gifted musician who asked me to record their sets on my stereo reel-to-reel (to give you an idea that it was 20 years ago!) who subsequently played the worst gigs of their lives, just from knowing that the red light was on.

Practice, practice, practice. Record all the time. Make it so that recording is not some special deal you only do when the moon is in Aquarius and there is momentary peace on the planet. Get used to recording, make it routine, never pick up the git without recording it.

My stepson, an excellent musician, suffered badly from stage fright. Although he was in Georgia, he visited us in Texas regularly...so when he came to town, I made sure that he ALWAYS found himself with a gig. 15 years later, he can get up in front of the Angry Lesbian Conservatives Who Hate Liberal Men convention and keep his cool.

So just do it. That's what all us did, in one form or another.
 
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