
evm1024
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This is the proof in the pudding so to speak.
It matters not if we know how or even what to measure. It matters not how precisely we measure or how objective we measure if we are not measuring the right thing.
The fact remains that there is a difference between todays state of the art digital and analog recordings. It is heard by most everybody. (Didn't APL say tape sounds better just a few posts ago?)
Objective data is the ratio of those who like digital recordings over analog recordings.
This is the proof in the pudding so to speak.
It matters not if we know how or even what to measure. It matters not how precisely we measure or how objective we measure if we are not measuring the right thing.
The fact remains that there is a difference between todays state of the art digital and analog recordings. It is heard by most everybody. (Didn't APL say tape sounds better just a few posts ago?)
Objective data is the ratio of those who like digital recordings over analog recordings.
OK, you hit on a pet peve of mine. Tape does not compress, never did and never will. Compression implies a time factor which tape does not. Tape DISTORTS when driven too hard. But people often confuse it as compression because the bias oscillator interferes with high frequency content, hushing HF componants as you approach the saturation point. Therefore the added harmonics are supressed.
At any rate, digital is not offensive because it fails to add problems. That's completely backwards thinking particularly since albums recorded on analogue tape and dumped to digital still sound digital to me. I remember the singer of my band commenting after I noted my experimental listening tests with analogue vs digital recordings of the same piece. He said "of course they'd like analogue better because its flaws cover up the flaws of the recording". This is like saying my car which is splattered with mud looks better because the mud covers the flaws in the paint job. Completely backwards and false. Sorry.
So anything with a 20Hz-20KHz frequency response would sound perfect? Dude, there's more to sound quality than frequency response. There's more to it than distortion and noise. If frequency content is all that mattered, we would have a whole new world from what we now know. Case in point, or years people have been noting that vacuum tube amplifier circuits sound better than solid state. There's been all sorts of studies on why and none of them were conclusive. Frequency response, distortion, noise were all very similar. A lot of people said that "tubes distort assymetrically and this is more pleasing than the symmetrical distortion of solid-state". Well, that may be somewhat true but it's not a logical conclusion. Most pro gear will have distortion characteristics below .1% at nominal levels. This is belows what would even be noticable and the only way to really get some noticable distortion (more like 1%) is to slam the equipment with high levels. Something that's not recommended or practiced with any regularity except by people who have no clue what they're doing. About 5 years ago, they came up with a new form of test equipment that can measure dynamic distortion. They discovered that while opamps show very little harminic distortion, they had absolutely massive dynamic distortion caused by the negative feedback loops required to maintain low harmonic distortion. Our ears are more sensitive to dynamic distortion, but it's been impossible to test for it till recently. What I'm saying is, our ears are telling us something is wrong with digital recording, we just haven't been able to test why. 20 years from now, that may change and a lot of people will feel very foolish.
I'll say this, as a mastering engineer, people are more offended by added stuff than missing stuff. A 3dB cut at 100Hz is not very noticable but a 3dB boost is very noticable. A downward expander is less noticalbe than an upward expander. The live feed from my board sounds better than what I get back from my 1/4" deck or my computer running 88.2KHz. Now if not adding distortion made sound worse, than the feed off of my 1/4" deck would sound better than the live feed from the board. This just isn't the case. This suggests to me that digital recording adds something to the signal that's offensive to human ears that science has not yet been able to pinpoint. We're getting close to a solution, but nothing so great yet.
I'll add one more thing, a 128Mbps MP3 has frequency response, distortion and noise levels very similar to CD, yet nobody in the know will argue that they sound the same.