Which kind are you?

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Which type of percussion do you play?

  • Accoustic kit or percussion instruments only

    Votes: 49 44.5%

  • Electronic kit, drum machine or samples

    Votes: 16 14.5%

  • Mixed, some electronic parts some acc.

    Votes: 45 40.9%
  • Total voters
    110
Tempo Shift?

In answer to a previous post about electronic drums sounding fake because they are so perfect in tempo;

YES! I have slightly adjusted the BPM. (Beats per minute) during a song.

Often right after a fill going into the chorus or bridge of a song, a "real" drummer will speed up slightly, and this "lift"s the song.

A change of only 1 or 2 BPM. is barely noticable and seems quite natural.

***NOTE*** Once you have raised the tempo up a notch or two, don't lower it.... or the song will seem to drag and lose energy.
(Unless that's what you are intending to do).

Also the last measure of the song can be ritarded by a generous amount 10 BPM or more and the last note held in suspension for a half second and then released. This will have to be matched by the bass and other instruments, but really finishes off a song nicely.

DOM;)
 
poor ole me

I have only ever used real drums .I was a diehard acoustic kit man and would get very angry that people would use drum machines or pads,but when I found out one of my all time favorite bands This Is Serious Mum(TISM) uses a machine I changed my mind.This was just so the drummer could get closer to the chicks.This philosophy won me over.I still dont own a single pad or drum machine but i can see a good use for them now(specilay where cleveage is concerned).
 
I do not play the drums myself. I own one, it's crapy. But I sample drums from every drum kit I get my hands and every piece of wood, metal, chairs, my own head, a slap on my girls b...and so on. I make soundfonts of them and use these in NI Kontakt. But I can play the drums.....if I wanted to :cool:
 
mikeh said:

Ghost notes are also difficult to accurately track with e-drums. I spend a lot of time trying to get my V-drums to track well (re: ghost notes) and I'm still note completely satisfied.
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if anyone has a solution to the ghost note problem (other than buying a real snare drum) with v drums please share. it is really a problem for me. most of the ghost note samples i have are very good, they just aren't loud or present enough to get through the mix. if there is a way to separate everything below a certain level into another instrument that would be ideal. Like all snare hits below 50 go to this note and all above 50 go to another note.

oh yeah. the thread topic. i have a set of v drums but would rather use real drums. just don't have a sound proof area or a good room to play them in. once i solve that i'll definitely go back to acoustics.

i basically do the same as someone else mentioned. use the kit to trigger and replace sounds with kontakt.

on the perfect tempo subject, just say no to quantizing and you'll get rid of the perfect tempo problem real fast. you know it's also the perfectness of the sound that is a dead giveaway for v drums and samples and such. not sure how to address that. maybe if we had more than 127 different levels?

one cool thing about v drums is that i just don't break sticks anymore! i've used the same pair of sticks for three months! the kit also fits in a really small space.
 
Sennheiser said:
Boxed drums only. If I had room and money for a nice kit I'd have one.

You can't stuff Rosanne into Faith Hill's jeans.:rolleyes:
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I'd just like to have Faith Hill's jeans. Oh, I mean...........
 
Ghost Notes

I get good ghost notes out of a yamaha DS10. I use heavy sticks (like vic firth generals or larger) I play with a french grip rather than matched. I can finesse them out but it's a different technique.

You might want to try using heavier sticks and playing lighter, and then tuning the pads so that they are very sensitive. You will get it eventually.

Electronic drums are cool because you can record the midi data and then reassign car wreck sounds to the midi data or whatever...
 
Samples, since I don't have a drum kit handy.
Humanizing the velocity makes a big differnce in getting programmed drums to sound more natural.
 
Richard Monroe said:
Fake drums always, always suck! Get a human, or give it up.-Richie
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If your not a Richard Monroe you are not a real dick!


Use what you have and NEVER EVER GIVE UP!
 
Dom Franco's got some good tips for humanizing drums.

Personally, I use triggers with a Alesis DM5 for jamming and playing.

However, I program all of my recordings. Ideally, I'd have cymbals mic'ed for realism, but am still getting around to that.
 
In my opinion, it's just impossible to beat the feel of an acoustic kit. But for those who don't have the time / skill to properly record an acoustic kit, the electrics are so much easier to work with.
 
i only use acoustic







i am not opposed to anything electronic...i just dont have the money for that kind of stuff yet



although...i think i would try to stay away from drum loops and just use the pads for special effects...although i could just use samples for the effects...


hmmmmm
 
My opinion..

Can I tell the differance?

Sure, If I'm paying attention...

Can most of the people out there who listen to your music tell?

No.

Do they care, even if they can tell the differance?

No.
 
I think a hybrid solution can likely be indistinguishable from a whole miced kit.

That is if it's done right.
 
yeah well i used to play acoustic only ...but the size and loud factor relegate me to using an elec set for recording....sure i sacrifice sound for ease of use but ..the 15 freinds who ever actually hear my music havent mentioned it yet!:D


but nothing beats(no pun intended)..just fucking killing my acoustic drumset once or twice a month....
 
I tell ya, I suck as a drummer but when it comes down to a machine or me, I pick me. Sure it may take me 4 hours to play a song all the way through without screwing up but it sounds better in the end.
 
I wish I could say I have some real ones...but I don't.:(
 
Stepford drums?

Only acoustic!! I don't like cyber dums, I don't like cyber sex. Gimme the real thing, always! I'm sure there is a place for them, but not around me. I've only played on a Roland electro
nic kit and I played on one of those evil little boxes in a drum shop. It felt like jerking off to
internet porn while a bunch of eager and willing ladies were standing around watching.
 
Gimme the real thing!

IMHO, real is *always* better than the substitutes -- in music, food, booze, sex, air, light, etc.
 
which are you

I like to use both. I rather use acoustic drums for live and all that other good stuff. And i would rather use electronic kits for recording and practicing at home.
 
Project Studio: Ddrum4SE (5pc, 4 cyms), DM5Pro for sampled triggers, and sometimes Drum Kit From Hell through NI Battery on a post trigger.

Live: Almost always Acoustic drums. 80's Gretsch 24,12,16,18 or DW 20,8,10,12,15 with 5x13DW Edge w/ die cast hoops, 5x14 Ayotte Keplinger w/ wood hoops or 6.5x14 Ludwig Hammered Bronze usually. Paiste signatures mostly...

"IMHO, real is *always* better than the substitutes"

I agree, but the neighbors love my Ddrum kit when inspiration strikes at 3:00 AM! Besides, when you get a *NICE* e-kit like the DD4 dialed in just right, you almost can't tell the difference..
 
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