Where does pitch fit into rap?

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Fyre said:
change got at him enough......... im just goin 2 sit back wit some popcorn and watch the show......


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Ahhh! Precisley why I started this thread. Ha!
 
JeffLancaster said:
I don't get it - this is at least the second rap bashing thread I've seen in the last two days. Why are you guys doing this? Come on, think about why we're all into this hobby (or profession for those lucky few). It's because we're all interested in making art - in this case the art of sound. Not everyone has the same taste, but there's a reason that every genre exists. It's because there is a segment of the population that gets an emotional charge by the art of every genre. Now I'll be the first to admit that rap and hip-hop aren't my favorite forms of music, but that doesn't make me respect those that are involved with it any less. As it's been pointed out, there probably are some who don't have a lot of talent and think because they have the right clothes and attitude, they can call themselves a "producah". But this isn't any different from say, the guy who has long hair, piercings, a studded belt, and a crappy guitar, and calls himself a metal musician even though he can't play worth a damn, or a guy calling himself a country musician just because he has a hat, boots and a pickup. The fact is, I believe some of these guys on this board are putting a lot of heart and soul into their craft that is hip hop or rap, and should be treated with the same respect as all the rest of us.

Also, for those of you that say it takes no talent to rap, try it some time and see how easy it is. Although I consider myself a reasonably decent singer and guitarist, I can't come close to doing anything that sounds like decent rap - it takes a different set of skill which take time to develop. Does it only take "half" the talent because there's no "pitch" involved? - My God, get a life!
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Yes, it takes an awful lot less talent.
Other musicians work their asses off to tr to perfect an artform, and then some smart ass rapper comes along who decided he wanted to be a rapper a couple of years ago records a couple of songs and then has the nerve to say it's just as much an artform as any other music.
NO IT IS NOT!
It doesn't require anything like the skill dedication and determination then to play say Paganini's 24 caprices.
Rapper CANNOT claim to be in the same category of talent as a concert violinist who does this, or many other forms of music that require YEARS of technical practice.
Yes, it's great that tey make fabulous money. That's fine, and I'm VERY happy for them since a lot of them boast that they would otherwise be living a life of poverty and crime. I think that's a Great thingthat they make millions, but they CANNOT claim to have the same skill level as a real dedicated skilled virtuoso instrumentalist or Opera singer.
 
Change of POETS said:
Your ignorance knows no bounds.

I play drums, trumpet, some guitar and keyboard. I'm also (primarily) a rapper.

But apparently that takes no talent.

You're a retard, obviously. Please keep your helmet in tact, I'd hate for you to fall and hurt yourself.
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I didn't say it take NO talent, I am just saying it takes a lot less talent to rap than to, say, play a virtuoso trumpet tune. You're a trumpeter. Try it.
Try playing some Chopin, some Bach 2 part inventions, sme Fats Waller Stride piano. You're a keyboard player.
You tell me what's harder to do.
Maybe you sucked at the drums, keyboard and trumpet, so you decided to try rapping?
Maybe you didn't, and you play Wynton Marsalis solo's to perfection, yet you decided you wanted to rap as well.
By the way, There's no need to be rude to me with that retard helmet remark.
How would you like me to be rude to you? You wouldn't like it would you? No! But you listen to rap, so I guess I'll just have to put up with the nastiness that you're used to.
 
smuffjules said:
Yes, it takes an awful lot less talent.
Other musicians work their asses off to tr to perfect an artform, and then some smart ass rapper comes along who decided he wanted to be a rapper a couple of years ago records a couple of songs and then has the nerve to say it's just as much an artform as any other music.
NO IT IS NOT!
It doesn't require anything like the skill dedication and determination then to play say Paganini's 24 caprices.
Rapper CANNOT claim to be in the same category of talent as a concert violinist who does this, or many other forms of music that require YEARS of technical practice.
Yes, it's great that tey make fabulous money. That's fine, and I'm VERY happy for them since a lot of them boast that they would otherwise be living a life of poverty and crime. I think that's a Great thingthat they make millions, but they CANNOT claim to have the same skill level as a real dedicated skilled virtuoso instrumentalist or Opera singer.
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Well if you hate hip hop so much, may I ask why are you in a public hip hop forum, fighting with people over the internet? Why bother? Obviously the people in this forum do enjoy hip hop and you don't, so why even waste your time with a post like this, in which your intentions are obviously to get in a flaming war, fighting with people behind a computer screen. It's not worth it. I'm sorry that you do not like hip hop, so be it. I am also sorry that you are too insecure with yourself that you have to come arguing at people through a website about a music genre that you obviously don't understand.
 
Change of POETS said:
Your ignorance knows no bounds.

I play drums, trumpet, some guitar and keyboard. I'm also (primarily) a rapper.

But apparently that takes no talent.

You're a retard, obviously. Please keep your helmet in tact, I'd hate for you to fall and hurt yourself.
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Psssst....
Really I just wanted to open up a can of worms with this thead. Sorry if I offended anyone. Well, I just wanted to see peoples reactions.
It's interesting to see how people resort to name calling etc. I know it wouldn't happen if we were all in the pub together, but I just couldn't resist on the rap/beats/hip hop section.
Personally, I don't care for rap, but many people do, and if they enjoy it, that's great for them. I realize that.
I'm relatively new to this website, so now I have my "controversial thread" needs satisfied.
I'm sure it's all been said a hundred times though.
 
onlydude said:
Well if you hate hip hop so much, may I ask why are you in a public hip hop forum, fighting with people over the internet? Why bother? Obviously the people in this forum do enjoy hip hop and you don't, so why even waste your time with a post like this, in which your intentions are obviously to get in a flaming war, fighting with people behind a computer screen. It's not worth it. I'm sorry that you do not like hip hop, so be it. I am also sorry that you are too insecure with yourself that you have to come arguing at people through a website about a music genre that you obviously don't understand.
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Sorry. Couldn't resist it.
I was just being an ass to see everybodys reactions. but I know everyone enjoyed it.
At least I hope so. No offence meant.
Read my previous post.
No more posts like this.
Nope, now I'm just on www.homerecording.com to learn.
Promise!!
 
smuffjules said:
Yes, it takes an awful lot less talent.
Other musicians work their asses off to tr to perfect an artform, and then some smart ass rapper comes along who decided he wanted to be a rapper a couple of years ago records a couple of songs and then has the nerve to say it's just as much an artform as any other music.
NO IT IS NOT!
It doesn't require anything like the skill dedication and determination then to play say Paganini's 24 caprices.
Rapper CANNOT claim to be in the same category of talent as a concert violinist who does this, or many other forms of music that require YEARS of technical practice.
Yes, it's great that tey make fabulous money. That's fine, and I'm VERY happy for them since a lot of them boast that they would otherwise be living a life of poverty and crime. I think that's a Great thingthat they make millions, but they CANNOT claim to have the same skill level as a real dedicated skilled virtuoso instrumentalist or Opera singer.
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You know, on some level you may be right. Perhaps it takes longer to learn to play Paganini's 24 Caprices (whatever the hell that is :rolleyes: ) than it does to become proficient at performing a rap number. I'm sure it also takes longer to perfect that, than it does to become an accomplished singer/guitarist (one of my main aspirations). Do you want to bash me for being a guitar player rather than a concert violinist?

I just don't understand why you feel the need to come into the forum and put these guys down, just because you don't appreciate their form of art. A lot of these guys do enjoy this genre, and I'm sure they work very hard at becoming accomplished at it. Perhaps they haven't had 40 years of daily practice or whatever it would take on average to master one of the classical pieces you mentioned. Most of these guys aren't old enough to have done that yet, anyway. But that doesn't mean they don't put as much time and effort EACH DAY into their chosen craft. Some of the guys on this board not only put effort into writing/reciting lyrics, they work very hard at putting together studios and perfecting their engineering skills, just as many of us members from the other genres do.

The bottom line is - these guys are putting their effort into producing a product which they hope others will enjoy, and if you look at what music sells these days, it appears that others do enjoy this genre. So really, WHO CARES which type of music takes the longest to perfect. SERIOUSLY, why can't you just back off and go practice your violin or something?

*EDIT* Aah, I just read your post above - you must've wrote that whilst I was busy typing away. Looks like maybe you finally get it?
 
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JeffLancaster said:
You know, on some level you may be right. Perhaps it takes longer to learn to play Paganini's 24 Caprices (whatever the hell that is :rolleyes: ) than it does to become proficient at performing a rap number. I'm sure it also takes longer to perfect that, than it does to become an accomplished singer/guitarist (one of my main aspirations). Do you want to bash me for being a guitar player rather than a concert violinist?

I just don't understand why you feel the need to come into the forum and put these guys down, just because you don't appreciate their form of art. A lot of these guys do enjoy this genre, and I'm sure they work very hard at becoming accomplished at it. Perhaps they haven't had 40 years of daily practice or whatever it would take on average to master one of the classical pieces you mentioned. Most of these guys aren't old enough to have done that yet, anyway. But that doesn't mean they don't put as much time and effort EACH DAY into their chosen craft. Some of the guys on this board not only put effort into writing/reciting lyrics, they work very hard at putting together studios and perfecting their engineering skills, just as many of us members from the other genres do.

The bottom line is - these guys are putting their effort into producing a product which they hope others will enjoy, and if you look at what music sells these days, it appears that others do enjoy this genre. So really, WHO CARES which type of music takes the longest to perfect. SERIOUSLY, why can't you just back off and go practice your violin or something?

*EDIT* Aah, I just read your post above - you must've wrote that whilst I was busy typing away. Looks like maybe you finally get it?
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Sorry Jeff,
Couldn't resist it.
I'm a bad boy.
I shouldn't be in this forum.
Have fun.
 
smuffjules said:
Sorry Jeff,
Couldn't resist it.
I'm a bad boy.
I shouldn't be in this forum.
Have fun.
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Oh hell, folks like you are needed in here to keep things interesting ;)
 
smuffjules said:
Psssst....
Really I just wanted to open up a can of worms with this thead. Sorry if I offended anyone. Well, I just wanted to see peoples reactions.
It's interesting to see how people resort to name calling etc. I know it wouldn't happen if we were all in the pub together, but I just couldn't resist on the rap/beats/hip hop section.
Personally, I don't care for rap, but many people do, and if they enjoy it, that's great for them. I realize that.
I'm relatively new to this website, so now I have my "controversial thread" needs satisfied.
I'm sure it's all been said a hundred times though.
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As if the name calling wasn't appropriate?

If we were in a pub together, you wouldn't have enjoyed the outcome quite as much.

Welcome to HR.com I'm also a mixing and mastering engineer. If you ever need any work, let me know. I'll be sure to charge you triple my rate.
 
Change of POETS said:
As if the name calling wasn't appropriate?

If we were in a pub together, you wouldn't have enjoyed the outcome quite as much.

Welcome to HR.com I'm also a mixing and mastering engineer. If you ever need any work, let me know. I'll be sure to charge you triple my rate.
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Oh Yeah??!!!! Well........................
 
Change of POETS said:
As if the name calling wasn't appropriate?

If we were in a pub together, you wouldn't have enjoyed the outcome quite as much.

Welcome to HR.com I'm also a mixing and mastering engineer. If you ever need any work, let me know. I'll be sure to charge you triple my rate.
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I doubt he could afford $1.50/hr.
 
Well, this is very interesting. I've found that with some songs, the rapper acually does have some kind of pitch going on. Ya, it's not like singing and not as precise. But, let's say you are doing a remix and making a new beat. If you use a new melody, you may say, "Man, that don't sound right". "The vocal seems out of place."

So then you play around with different melodies to make it fit. Now, ya if you put a different beat on a rap, it may work, unlike if you did it to a R&B song. But, I've noticed on more commerical rap, they got this rap sing thing going on. And in the hooks, it's more rap sing. Like 50 cent. But, I know people are gonna say that all this stuff on the radio aint Rap, it's Hip Hop....
 
famous beagle said:
I don't understand why y'all get so bent out of shape and take this so personally. If y'all told me you hate the Beatles or Radiohead or Wilco or another one of my favorite bands, I might ask why, but I wouldn't call you a close-minded, elitist prick. It's your prerogative to like what you want.
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Im not takin anything personal, but you will never hear me say I hate some genre of music...I will tell you I dont listen to it..but i respect everything and artist/musician is doin in his or her genre of music.

welcome to the HR.com fam..enjoy your stay and network, collab and make new friend..

you never know..you might wanna work with one of these hated hip-hopper you dislike in the near future to uplift your music..

you never know.. :D :cool:
 
bknot1 said:
Well billybob..i quess you should have stated that from the get go...
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...In beagles defence...

famous beagle said:
I hate Nickelback as well, but I hate hip hop even more
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..... :p .....

I respect and appreciate all types of music. Doesn't mean I don't hate certain types of music and certain bands. At the end of the day, music is someones creative expression. I respect that. Doesn't mean I have to enjoy listening to it.

I know all sorts of different peole who make all sorts of different music. I respect what they do and really enjoy talking to them about it. A few of these people make stuff like hard house etc. I can't fucking stand hard house and they know that. Just like I make a lot of metal and they can't stand metal. But we still have a mutual respect for each other and the fact that we are doing what we are doing.

Everyones entitled to their opinion. However I think that the view that there is no talent in hip hop is bullshit. I am not an avid fan of the genre, but I know there is some awesome stuff out there once you realise that most of the mainstream chart stuff aint proper hip hop, and its just a britney spears backing track with some dude rapping over it. But of course thats the stuff people hear.
 
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I always get a good laugh out of idiots like this.
You don't know anything about HipHop, yet your opinion is the be all, and end all of it's validity in the realm of music.

Theres really no reason to argue though, it's your opinion.
 
rap music is more about the story....the emotion and the deleivery of there lyrics....they dont have to rely on pitch as often if any like singers but they arent singing....like the first post stated its mor elike poetry well this is true...rap stands for Rythm And Poetry...to attack a certain genre of music over soethin like pitch is retarted....half the shit played now that isnted rap is eitha lacking in lyrics or the music has so much feedback in it that it takes away from the musical content....rap is simple and pleasing without relying on playing guitar riffs a 4 or five times just to make it sound good...not sayin thats a bad thing but im sure it has alot to do with why so much of it is being put out there over other genres
 
wow interesting read... some people hate hip-hop, some people love hip-hop. some people think it takes talent, some people think it doesn't. Does it really matter anyways? however you look at it? Does someone who knows how to only play a piano very well, but cannot play the drums for sh*t, not have any talent? Face it, hip-hop/urban is now part of a form of new music & art, love it or hate it...

there is however, a ton of non-talented rap artists out there right now... much of it I always hear and wonder WTF are they thinking? I remember when I was listening to some rap, it was mind provoking, and thoughtful, and moved me, now it's just "Ms New Booty" which I think is straight up destroying any chances of the other people liking it.... I don't know....
 
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