What's the BEST replacement for Maxell UD 35 tape ? (Last word)

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mikey@thecave said:
ok my friend You can call tascam and tell him---i am only telling you what he told me.He said on my 388 i should be using Quantegy 457.He said the 456 was to thick for my machine.

You just said in your previous post that the 457 didn't work well with your 388 and that someone from NRS told you to use the 456. You did not indicate that TASCAM said otherwise, till now. What gives ?? :confused:

Daniel
 
well here is the thing I was using ten year old ampex tape jeez im getting old.
he said that was good to ty packages with.
 
he also said i could burn up the motors with the 456 tape cause its to thick.And he was not giving in on his story
 
mikey@thecave said:
well here is the thing I was using ten year old ampex tape jeez im getting old.
he said that was good to ty packages with.

That's the problem. You should never use "old" tape. :eek: ;)
 
mikey@thecave said:
he also said i could burn up the motors with the 456 tape cause its to thick.And he was not giving in on his story

I don't know about "burn out" ... but perhaps put more stress on the motors etc ..... yeah, I guess that's possible but I really don't see how a slightly thicker tape stock could do this to any significant level. :confused:

Daniel
 
far as i can see this ampex 457 is the same as the maxell-i dont think this tape is to old - wonder whats up hope this works
 
mikey@thecave said:
far as i can see this ampex 457 is the same as the maxell-i dont think this tape is to old - wonder whats up hope this works

Yes, the 457 is the same as 456 only thinner and would work fine on the 388, if still a concern over tape thickness exists ... I really recommend you buy brand new Quantegy (same as Ampex) tape only and stay away from older stock or worse yet, used. I think all Quantegy reels are cool anyway. :)

Best of luck to you,

Daniel
 
mikey@thecave said:
oh well ill try the quantegy and see what happens

Quantegy is exactly the same as Ampex. Only difference is the name.

Daniel :)
 
Quantegy 406/407 not a replacement for Maxell UD-35

406/407 are bias equal to ampex 456 grand master.

the replacement equal to Maxell UD-35-90
is the 642-151111 available as we speek....

In dought contact Quantegy www.quantegy.com.au

and ask the techs......
 
quantegy list of tapes available and the specs

go in here and have a look
http://www.quantegy.com.au/audio1.htmook..

you open 406 and 407 you will notice that the information available recomends as a replacement for 456 grand master that is a different bias to a maxell UD-35
 
This is a really old thread, but 457 sounds great on my Akai GX265D.
 
Btw, did anyone ever come out with a list of all known tape types and their respective operating levels ? It'd be cool to have this info all in one place.
 
Bigmark said:
406/407 are bias equal to ampex 456 grand master.

the replacement equal to Maxell UD-35-90
is the 642-151111 available as we speek....

In dought contact Quantegy www.quantegy.com.au

and ask the techs......

It is true that Quantegy 642 is the recommended replacement for UD 35-90.

However, the general idea behind the responses was to recommend a backcoated high output tape, equivalent to XL1 35-90B rather than UD 35-90. The recommended replacement for XL1 35-90B is Quantegy 407. Maxell made this recommendation when they announced that they would no longer make open-reel tape.

Quantegy’s 642 is their closest match to UD 35-90, but it is inferior in every way… output, dynamic range, etc. On the other hand Quantegy 407 is in the same league as, but superior to XL1 35-90B.

If it wasn’t clear, IMO, no one should be using non-backcoated tape for serious high fidelity recording, unless their machine is so old that backcoated tape is not an option.

For the Akai GX-270 and other Akai decks from this era it is better to set the tape selector switch to “Wide Range” and use 407 or better. On the latest generation of Akai decks and many other brands, the bias setting has a continuously variable knob rather than having a simple switch. It can be more finely tuned to a tape per the manual.

Bias is a tricky subject. As tape speed increases the difference in bias becomes less between tapes. So on some half-tracks @ 15 ips the factory recommendation for 1 mil may include 3M 207, Ampex (Quantegy) 407, Maxell XL 35-xxB, UD, Sony DUAD and TDK AUDUA, all to be used interchangeably because the bias is “close enough.”

Of course most agree that it’s best to select one kind of tape and have the bias finely tuned. But even that only opens another can of worms because people disagree on optimum bias for a given tape. Some even bias by ear, listening for the lowest noise/lowest distortion sweet spot.

Bias has enough wiggle room for people to choose a tape that sounds good to them with the machine set just as it is. Different people will choose different tapes, and some find better tapes than the factory recommended. Noise reduction makes the wiggle room even greater.

For example, the only tape recommended in the early Tascam 388 manual was Maxell UD 35-90. People guessed that XL1 35-90B and Ampex 407, 457 would be even better, and those are what many people used. Factory recommendations are just a good starting point. It’s like the default settings in your PC’s BIOS… it’s safe.

Believe me, it was as controversial 20 years ago as it is in this digital age, so this isn’t entirely due to the “lost art” factor.

:)
 
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