What Time Signature is This?

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Steenamaroo said:
I'm not the boss, but my point is that no one would write that tune in 3/4 because the emphasis would be completely counter intuitive.
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RAMI said:
3/4 emphasizes the 1,2 and 3. 6/8 emphasizes the 1 and the 4. The pulse makes a huge difference.
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But 3/4 emphasizes the one most of the time. It's the oom in the oom pow pow. If you go into Reaper and set the click to 3/4 and turn the secondary gain down, it automatically puts an accent on the 1 because that's so common. Therefore 2 measures of 3/4, 123123 is the same as one measure of 6/8 123456. Same accents, same pulse. What am I missing here?

RAMI said:
You can't get "House" to be in 3/4 no matter what kind of trigonometry you want to use.
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So if I can, then that makes me some kind of music supergenius, right??
 
I'll just say one more thing...I think I'm getting too old for these "Beat a subject to death and dissect every possible nook and cranny of it" threads.

Like Steen says, and like I said multiple times...Yes, 3/4 can technically work on a mathematical lvel, but not on a realistic level, or a musical one.

Hopefully, this will put a rest to it (no pun intended).

For "House" to be in 3/4, you'd have to have the kik playing the 1 for the first bar, and then the snare playing the 1 for the second bar, and so on. That doesn't make sense and that reason alone means that it's not in 3/4. It's the feel, the pulse and the application that make a time signature what it is.

3/4 doesn't sound, feel, or resemble 6/8 at all anywhere other than on paper.
 
fat_fleet said:
But 3/4 emphasizes the one most of the time. It's the oom in the oom pow pow. If you go into Reaper and set the click to 3/4 and turn the secondary gain down, it automatically puts an accent on the 1 because that's so common. Therefore 2 measures of 3/4, 123123 is the same as one measure of 6/8 123456. Same accents, same pulse. What am I missing here?



So if I can, then that makes me some kind of music supergenius, right??
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Aaah. Ok. Your example would be 2 bars per 1 chord which I wasn't thinking of.
That actually works, emphasis and all....but the point below still applies.
Your kick would probably be on 1 each time and that's not how the song goes. That's why it's 6/8.

The emphasis gets all messed up if you take the 1-2-3-4-5-6 and have it 3/4 so 1,3 and 5 are the downbeats.
I think that was suggested earlier (I thought it's what you were suggesting too) and it makes my left eyelid twitch.

RAMI said:
Yes for sure. I probably only thought of it that way subconsciously, but now that you mention it, it's a great way to look at it. If, in it's simplest form, the beat has kik on 1 and snare on 4, we know we're counting in 6's, or multiples thereof. If the kik is on 1 and 3, and the snare is on 2 and 4.....well I think we can all agree that is 4/4.
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Cool man. Looking back I wrote my example wrong, but no point editing it now.
 
The reason the metronome in reaper emphasizes the 1 in 3/4 time is because it emphasizes the 1 in all time signatures.

3/4 would be kick snare snare kick snare snare

6/8 would be kick 2 3 snare 5 6.
 
Right now? That would be an odd time to explain it him.

"Odd time" ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. You've been great. I'll be here all week. Try the veal. :D
 
RAMI said:
Right now? That would be an odd time to explain it him.

"Odd time" ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. You've been great. I'll be here all week. Try the veal. :D
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It could also be..... wait for it..... wait for it..... "prime time"*








* 7 is a prime number.

/wins :laughings:
 
I've tried to follow all of the posts in this thread, but at this point, I think you have all gone loopy with your oopappas, prime time, etc. No offense meant...just an observation and I've enjoyed the humor.

This is NOT in 4/4. I'm sorry, but you can't just put a metronome up to some music to find the signature. Just because it fits with the beat and seems to follow the beats doesn't mean it's correct.

You could make this work in 8/8, but then you'd want to lower that into 4/4 and the feel just isn't there for a signature of 4/4. If you try it in 4/4, those eighth notes keep moving from beat to beat in each successive measure and that's just crazy for someone to try and play off of sheet music.

This fits better in a 5/4 signature. That allows the two eighth notes to stay in the same area though out the piece and it has a better feel to it, for the musicians that are going to play it. It's all in the phrasing.

If you are just looking for some midi signature to match it up with other tracks, I guess 4/4 might work in that case, but if you want to be correct and have it come out playable by people who actually can read music, it's 5/4.

You don't believe me? Check out the Mission Impossible Theme by Burt Bacarach against this. That song is in 5/4. Check it out for yourself. Check the feel of the beat of this sample while humming the Mission Impossible Theme along with it. You have to slow the Impossible Theme down a bit, but it fits.

Dave Brubeck's Take Five is another example. Again, you have to slow it down a bit to match the sample in this thread, but it fits. It's 5/4.
 
FingerzAndKeyz said:
I've tried to follow all of the posts in this thread, but at this point, I think you have all gone loopy with your oopappas, prime time, etc. No offense meant...just an observation and I've enjoyed the humor.

This is NOT in 4/4. I'm sorry, but you can't just put a metronome up to some music to find the signature. Just because it fits with the beat and seems to follow the beats doesn't mean it's correct.

You could make this work in 8/8, but then you'd want to lower that into 4/4 and the feel just isn't there for a signature of 4/4. If you try it in 4/4, those eighth notes keep moving from beat to beat in each successive measure and that's just crazy for someone to try and play off of sheet music.

This fits better in a 5/4 signature. That allows the two eighth notes to stay in the same area though out the piece and it has a better feel to it, for the musicians that are going to play it. It's all in the phrasing.

If you are just looking for some midi signature to match it up with other tracks, I guess 4/4 might work in that case, but if you want to be correct and have it come out playable by people who actually can read music, it's 5/4.

You don't believe me? Check out the Mission Impossible Theme by Burt Bacarach against this. That song is in 5/4. Check it out for yourself. Check the feel of the beat of this sample while humming the Mission Impossible Theme along with it. You have to slow the Impossible Theme down a bit, but it fits.

Dave Brubeck's Take Five is another example. Again, you have to slow it down a bit to match the sample in this thread, but it fits. It's 5/4.
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Post a link or it never happened.... lol
 
FingerzAndKeyz said:
I've tried to follow all of the posts in this thread, but at this point, I think you have all gone loopy with your oopappas, prime time, etc. No offense meant...just an observation and I've enjoyed the humor.

This is NOT in 4/4. I'm sorry, but you can't just put a metronome up to some music to find the signature. Just because it fits with the beat and seems to follow the beats doesn't mean it's correct.

You could make this work in 8/8, but then you'd want to lower that into 4/4 and the feel just isn't there for a signature of 4/4. If you try it in 4/4, those eighth notes keep moving from beat to beat in each successive measure and that's just crazy for someone to try and play off of sheet music.

This fits better in a 5/4 signature. That allows the two eighth notes to stay in the same area though out the piece and it has a better feel to it, for the musicians that are going to play it. It's all in the phrasing.

If you are just looking for some midi signature to match it up with other tracks, I guess 4/4 might work in that case, but if you want to be correct and have it come out playable by people who actually can read music, it's 5/4.

You don't believe me? Check out the Mission Impossible Theme by Burt Bacarach against this. That song is in 5/4. Check it out for yourself. Check the feel of the beat of this sample while humming the Mission Impossible Theme along with it. You have to slow the Impossible Theme down a bit, but it fits.

Dave Brubeck's Take Five is another example. Again, you have to slow it down a bit to match the sample in this thread, but it fits. It's 5/4.
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No it doesn't. If you pull two triplets out of the OP song so it's

1231231212

and not

1231231231231212

THEN it would fit over Take Five, because you would be pulling out 6 16th notes, ie 3 8th notes, and making it 5/8 intead of 4/4, which it is now.
 
fat_fleet said:
No it doesn't. If you pull two triplets out of the OP song so it's

1231231212

and not

1231231231231212

THEN it would fit over Take Five, because you would be pulling out 6 16th notes, ie 3 8th notes, and making it 5/8 intead of 4/4, which it is now.
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Those aren't triplets, they are two eighth notes. The third note is "one" of the next measure. Sorry, I don't have the ability to bring up a staff to show this, but I'll see what I can do. I have to go to work now, but maybe you all can fight it out. If not, I'll see if I can maybe post something later.
 
FingerzAndKeyz said:
Those aren't triplets, they are two eighth notes. The third note is "one" of the next measure. Sorry, I don't have the ability to bring up a staff to show this, but I'll see what I can do. I have to go to work now, but maybe you all can fight it out. If not, I'll see if I can maybe post something later.
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:facepalm:
 
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