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Greg_L
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None of that means anything to me.
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None of that means anything to me.
Dr.SpringReverb
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You could easily notate the rising sun melody in 4/4 with straight 8th notes and then interpret the 8th as shuffle 8th when playing/singing it. :e
To notate the guitar arpeggios in 4/4 would be senseless, though.
To notate the guitar arpeggios in 4/4 would be senseless, though.
Farview
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House of the rising sun is in 6/8, because that is what 6/8 sounds like. It feels completely different that 3/4.
It really only matters when you are writing things down or trying to communicate a feel to another musician.
It really only matters when you are writing things down or trying to communicate a feel to another musician.
Steenamaroo
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Rami nailed it regarding this.
There's a lot of time when you can say the tempo is double, or half, what it is and just have more or fewer barlines and no one would know the difference,
but that's not the case with 6/8 vs 3/4 with a song like house of the rising sun.
Counting 6/8..ie 6 beats per chord...ie one beat per note of the riff..the emphasis is on 1 + 4.
The count that in 3/4 would awkward.
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
Songs in which 1 chord spans two measures exist(?)
Dr.SpringReverb
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It doesn't matter anyway.
fat_fleet
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Dr.SpringReverb
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VomitHatSteve
Hat STYLE. Not contents.
Dr.SpringReverb
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It's a very gruesome fight.
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justareviewer
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Steenamaroo
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Course they do. I don't see the relevance.
For fun though, if you take it that each bar of house of the rising sun covers two chords, it'd make more sense to call it 4/4, very slow, all written in triplets.
Either that or 12/8, which is the way the same as it really is but with half as many bar lines.
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
The relevance is that if each chord spanned two measures, it would be 3/4:
there..IS......................a.HOUSE...................in..NEW orleans........etc
...3...|1...2...3...|1...2...3...|1...2...3...|1...2...3...|1...2...3...|
Right?
fat_fleet
Swollen Member
I'm just tryin to learn here.. you're the boss, I'm just a lowly field laborer.
gecko zzed
Grumpy Mod
It looks right to me.
The 6/8 supporters will go:
there..IS......................a.HOUSE...................in..NEW orleans........etc
...6...|1...2...3...|4...5...6...|1...2...3...|4...5...6...|1...2...3...|
I, of course, will go
there..IS..........................a.HOUSE......................in..NEW orleans........etc
...7...|1...2...3...|4...5...6...7...|1...2...3...|4...5...6...7...|1...2...3...|
Steenamaroo
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I'm not the boss, but my point is that no one would write that tune in 3/4 because the emphasis would be completely counter intuitive.
and lol @ Gecko.
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RAMI
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Oh, you're talking about the original clip in this thread. I forgot about that. I thought this was about "House....".
No, not right. Like I thought I already said about 5 times in this thread, there's more to time signatures than math. Yes, those 3 beats fit into a bar, but that doesn't make it 3/4. 3/4 emphasizes the 1,2 and 3. 6/8 emphasizes the 1 and the 4. The pulse makes a huge difference. You can't get "House" to be in 3/4 no matter what kind of trigonometry you want to use.
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Trovador98
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V3nge,
I also count this as 4/4 but it does have an interesting pulse.
I also count this as 4/4 but it does have an interesting pulse.
Steenamaroo
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That's such a good reference.
On paper some idiot can score it as 3/4, syncing back up with reality every four bars, but it's wrong.
It's not a hard fast rule but I often take the snare as the defining characteristic, assuming its likely to be in the middle of the bar.
If that song goes kick-2-3-snare-5-6....I'm calling it 6/8.
If it went Kick-2-3-4-5-6,Snare-2-3-4-5-6, i'd call it triplets in 4/4.
Rami, is that fair enough....from a drummer's perspective?
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RAMI
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Yes for sure. I probably only thought of it that way subconsciously, but now that you mention it, it's a great way to look at it. If, in it's simplest form, the beat has kik on 1 and snare on 4, we know we're counting in 6's, or multiples thereof. If the kik is on 1 and 3, and the snare is on 2 and 4.....well I think we can all agree that is 4/4.
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