what the f#*k???

[MrZekeMan]

I struggled with this same decision. I decided to go with the VS-2480. It has recording in both compressed and uncompressed mode. compressed at 24/96 or uncompressed at 24/44.1 with a track count of 16.

The data compression was a serious concern of mine. The more I learned about it the less concerned I became. In fact, I've done all my recording in compressed mode.

Interestingly many that are using these machines professionally actually "prefer" the sound of the compressed mode.

Check out this guys studio, he uses exclusively the VS machines. He has a 2480 and two 1680's linked up in this photo.

http://www.kopperhead.com/2480.html

I questioned him about this, and he told me he uses compressed mode exclusively.

Taylor

 

[MrZekeMan]

frank_1,

How did you get away with using such a grossly obstentatious avatar? I couldn't get away with using one even slightly over sized. I've noticed that some of the other ones as well are slightly oversized, but I couldn't get mine to go through.

Taylor

 

[blakpuc]

Dobro,
On the korg website it has compression/limiting listed in the recording section of the features list. Im assuming that means you can compress what is coming in, and not just compress it in the mix.
One more question, Do I need a DI if I am micing amped guitars(or bass) rather than plugging the guitar directly into the recorder?

 

[MrZekeMan]

Im assuming that means you can compress what is coming in, and not just compress it in the mix.

One more question, Do I need a DI if I am micing amped guitars(or bass) rather than plugging the guitar directly into the recorder?

This is my understanding of compression on these units. Someone correct me where I'm wrong if need be.

There are two types of compressors. Software based, and analog type. These DAW's use the software based. So the compression is applied as a calculation after the sound goes through the converters.

The analog type, I guess generally an outboard unit, has the advantage, of manipulating the signal before it hit's the A/D converter. So, you get a hotter signal going to disk, and since you have a hotter signal, you take advantage of your bit rate. Recording at 0db uses up all the digits in your digital "word" that is available according to the bit rate that you are recording in.

Here's where the confusion lies for me. I was talking about this with someone else, and they told me that you have a hotter signal going to disk if you apply the software based compression while tracking. I'm having a hard time grasping that. I don't see what the difference is. What is the difference since the signal is manipulated in the digital domain after conversion? It seems to me that it's just a calculation. what's the difference if it's done during tracking or during playback?

For your other question blackpuc, you won't need a DI box if you are micing the instruments or the amps.

Taylor

 

[darrin_h2000]

You know when a wave file is turned into an MP3, the prosess is called compression also. This is a bad thing for recording.

When you use a compressor to tame peaks and add fullness and such is a whole different definition of the word. and is not related in the least.

 

[Queue]

And if you drop a studio monitor on your head, what happens to your spine is also called compression. This is also quite different.

Queue (I couldn't resist)

 

[frank_1]

MrZekeMan , I just found an .ART image and posted it up. It was less then 15K. That's just how big the photo is.

Here's where the confusion lies for me. I was talking about this with someone else, and they told me that you have a hotter signal going to disk if you apply the software based compression while tracking. I'm having a hard time grasping that.

Well I don't know if what that person told you is true or not. But you are right about the compressor before it gets to tape. I will say this, the RNC will destroy the Roland's onboard compressor in a heard beat! The Roland's compressor will sound like shit and color your sound. THe RNC is transparent, and analog; I heard somewhere that analog compressors are better then digital compressors.

Something you all might want to check out!!

 

[Sabith]

Re: Re: vs1880lets cut the crap

an un named mic of similar build. I never once used any pre amp or external effects........


if you think that you must have a pre amp then look for old reel to reels and use them for your pre amp I recently befreinded an old revox with no life in the transport but the rest works and have used it to great effect. anyway now I just sound like an old man rambling on about the old days and how they don't make 'em like they used to and how in my day and if......................

Ummmmmmmm.......... U mean U never used an EXTERNAL preamp???
no preamp = no sound from mic. U know those "mic gain" knobs?? yep..... those are your preamp controls

I think your kind confused to what a preamp is......

in short..... a preamp takes the super low signal the mic puts out and amplifies it to a workable level so, without a preamp(for the most part) U won't hear anything
from a mic..

Sabith

 

[langleyt]

MrZekeMan, that was some studio. Awesome! Oh and looky everyone i am a Senior now.

 

[MrZekeMan]

MrZekeMan, that was some studio. Awesome! Oh and looky everyone i am a Senior now.

Yea, it's pretty incredible. It sure makes me feel like a bottom feeder. He's been in business for a long time too. He started out with analog decks, then went to the Roland machines. He records mostly Jazz groups.

If I had a studio like that I would just put a cot in the control room and never go home. (can you say sponge bath?)

Congrats on your graduation. All you have to do is post 150 more times and you will be an expert at recording.

Taylor

 

[rocky outcrop]

sorry bout the confusion

yeah i said i used no pre amp but i ment no external pre if you know what i mean .also i am only recording rock n roll so energy and feeling are more important to me than "sonic qualitys" if it sounds a bit crappy but rocks than i'm a happy chappy. Is it o.k. to such low aspirations? I just like to keep it simple(also i find correct spelling to be a luxary?).

 

[Sabith]

Hey, if U just want a recording that rocks, then great, your set. If your happy with it then your doin it right, keep on goin =)

Sabith