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Popcorn
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The YSM-1P as soon as i can order them from a store.........
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regebro
Insane Genious!
I started something I couldn't finish.
Ha! I just realized that I didn't put an end date on this post, and that (like the "What do you mix to" post) it will live on for ever.
Ha! I just realized that I didn't put an end date on this post, and that (like the "What do you mix to" post) it will live on for ever.
Fmmahoganyrush
Pleads the 5th...
JBL Control 1's and Control 5"s powered by a JBL URIE ES600, and a QSC MX 1500a, respectfully. Although, I'm looking into the JBL LSR series. Any comments (good or bad) on JBL stuff? I use JBL speakers in my studio and another line of JBL for live sound reinforcement, but I don't see much talk about them in the forums. Tom.
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CyanJaguar
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Singking,
You could not be more right. I traded my Ns10ms for my alesis monitor twos. The ns10ms, have no low end, the highs are harsh, and the mids are blown up,
BUT if it sounds good on the ns10s, it will translate anywhere. I think that the midrange on the ns10ms is outstanding. THey show every small detail, that as you said, other monitors usually hide. Also, listening to commercial mixes is nice on the nasties. The commercial mixes sound good in the ns10ms
Luckily for me, everybody is selling their ns10ms for like $140 for the pair, so I hope to get them back soon.
I really think that the best monitoring system is one that has a pair of ns10ms as well as a pair of bigger speakers.
You could not be more right. I traded my Ns10ms for my alesis monitor twos. The ns10ms, have no low end, the highs are harsh, and the mids are blown up,
BUT if it sounds good on the ns10s, it will translate anywhere. I think that the midrange on the ns10ms is outstanding. THey show every small detail, that as you said, other monitors usually hide. Also, listening to commercial mixes is nice on the nasties. The commercial mixes sound good in the ns10ms
Luckily for me, everybody is selling their ns10ms for like $140 for the pair, so I hope to get them back soon.
I really think that the best monitoring system is one that has a pair of ns10ms as well as a pair of bigger speakers.
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BigKahuna
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Re: I started something I couldn't finish.
I didn't even know that you could put a timer on it!
Yeah this one will float around here for a while ... I didn't expect the other thread to linger this long.
Oh, Event 20/20p, by the way.
regebro said:Ha! I just realized that I didn't put an end date on this post, and that (like the "What do you mix to" post) it will live on for ever.
I didn't even know that you could put a timer on it!
Yeah this one will float around here for a while ... I didn't expect the other thread to linger this long.
Oh, Event 20/20p, by the way.
Prism
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I'm a bloody cheapskate
I use a very old pair (60's or 70's) of Sony hi-fi speakers. I don't know how accurate they are, but they seem to have fairly flat response. They'll beat the hell out of almost any other consumer-grade speakers that I've heard. I think part of that has to do with the fact that they have cone tweeters. The top end is really smooth; not harsh or brittle or anything - and they're not hissy. I've found most other speakers that utilize the cheap 1" metal non-cone tweeters exhibit a nasty hiss and overall really "cold" treble, for lack of a better term. (not sure what the technical name is for those tweeters.. I wanna say piezo, but not sure)
The woofers are fairly large. I'm thinking 8" or so. They really are rich sounding, though. They're cased in wood, too... can't stand the plastic sound... these don't sound "boxy" one bit - something I couldn't say about most consumer speakers I've heard.
I DO want to get a nice pair of Tannoy Reveals some day, though. :-D
Isaiah
I use a very old pair (60's or 70's) of Sony hi-fi speakers. I don't know how accurate they are, but they seem to have fairly flat response. They'll beat the hell out of almost any other consumer-grade speakers that I've heard. I think part of that has to do with the fact that they have cone tweeters. The top end is really smooth; not harsh or brittle or anything - and they're not hissy. I've found most other speakers that utilize the cheap 1" metal non-cone tweeters exhibit a nasty hiss and overall really "cold" treble, for lack of a better term. (not sure what the technical name is for those tweeters.. I wanna say piezo, but not sure)
The woofers are fairly large. I'm thinking 8" or so. They really are rich sounding, though. They're cased in wood, too... can't stand the plastic sound... these don't sound "boxy" one bit - something I couldn't say about most consumer speakers I've heard.
I DO want to get a nice pair of Tannoy Reveals some day, though. :-D
Isaiah
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Sonic Valley
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Quested VS2205's
I've a pair of Quested VS2205's. Nice boxes. I can't believe I haven't run into the Event 2020's. Why is everyone likeing these speakers?
I've a pair of Quested VS2205's. Nice boxes. I can't believe I haven't run into the Event 2020's. Why is everyone likeing these speakers?
barefoot
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Satellites, subs and crossovers I designed and built myself.
Satellites:
Symmetrical MTM system of Vifa 1 inch aluminum dome tweeter and dual Vifa 5.5 inch midbasses with acoustic 4th order 2.2kHz Linkwitz-Riley crossover. Wool stuffed critically damped sealed enclosure cutting the drivers off at about 120Hz, and a 1m wide baffle. Powerd by a modified Dyna ST-70.
Subs:
Dual Vieta 13 inch polyglass drivers in ported enclosures with –6dB cutoff at 27Hz. Powered by an NAD 2200.
Crossover:
Custom made active circuit based around the AD797 op amp to give and acoustic 4th order L-R crossover between the satellites and subs.
Far from the best system I’ve ever built, but then I only get to work on music about an hour a week these days. Any of you out there who has raised a baby will know what I’m talking about .
barefoot
Satellites:
Symmetrical MTM system of Vifa 1 inch aluminum dome tweeter and dual Vifa 5.5 inch midbasses with acoustic 4th order 2.2kHz Linkwitz-Riley crossover. Wool stuffed critically damped sealed enclosure cutting the drivers off at about 120Hz, and a 1m wide baffle. Powerd by a modified Dyna ST-70.
Subs:
Dual Vieta 13 inch polyglass drivers in ported enclosures with –6dB cutoff at 27Hz. Powered by an NAD 2200.
Crossover:
Custom made active circuit based around the AD797 op amp to give and acoustic 4th order L-R crossover between the satellites and subs.
Far from the best system I’ve ever built, but then I only get to work on music about an hour a week these days. Any of you out there who has raised a baby will know what I’m talking about .
barefoot
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JC Lives
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Fostex 870's
I am currently using these cus it's all I got. Bought them used for $150 for the pair. They are a concentric design. They are ok, but would realy like to get something better. They seem to be a little hyped in the high mid range. I got them last October and am still trying to get used to them. I must admit that the more I use them, the more I learn how to translate what they tell me to how my music will sound on other systems.
I am currently using these cus it's all I got. Bought them used for $150 for the pair. They are a concentric design. They are ok, but would realy like to get something better. They seem to be a little hyped in the high mid range. I got them last October and am still trying to get used to them. I must admit that the more I use them, the more I learn how to translate what they tell me to how my music will sound on other systems.
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CyanJaguar
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hi elbenj,
so you also sold the ns10ms. Are your mixes better now than before? in what way?
Sonic Valley, you freaking have questeds. Aren't they like the best monitors on the planet? I am freaking jealous.
so you also sold the ns10ms. Are your mixes better now than before? in what way?
Sonic Valley, you freaking have questeds. Aren't they like the best monitors on the planet? I am freaking jealous.
barefoot
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Quested monitors are nice.
Their top of the line 'Q' series uses a high power version of the Dynaudio Esotar tweeter ($600 a pair for just the tweeters!), Dynaudio mids, what look to be either Focal or Volt woofers, and Volt subs. All very, very nice components.
The VS2205's appear to use the Dynaudio Esotec tweeter, little brother of the Esotar - still an outstanding driver. It's hard to say who makes the 5" midbass drivers. But, 5" is the maximum size for a high performance polypropylene driver in my opinion, so these guys know what they're doing.
"You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra
barefoot
Their top of the line 'Q' series uses a high power version of the Dynaudio Esotar tweeter ($600 a pair for just the tweeters!), Dynaudio mids, what look to be either Focal or Volt woofers, and Volt subs. All very, very nice components.
The VS2205's appear to use the Dynaudio Esotec tweeter, little brother of the Esotar - still an outstanding driver. It's hard to say who makes the 5" midbass drivers. But, 5" is the maximum size for a high performance polypropylene driver in my opinion, so these guys know what they're doing.
"You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra
barefoot
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Sonic Valley
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Quested VS2205's
I was lucky I just got these speakers. Our sales guy for our production company is also a rep for a few product lines and was able to line me up a pair. I basically paid the shipping. I've used them before in some other broadcast studios and places that had them sitting on the meter bridge.
I was lucky I just got these speakers. Our sales guy for our production company is also a rep for a few product lines and was able to line me up a pair. I basically paid the shipping. I've used them before in some other broadcast studios and places that had them sitting on the meter bridge.
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Wallycleaver
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Anyone use the spirit soundcraft monitors? If so what do you think. They look cool!
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nostrovia
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This thread makes me want to trade my reveals in for the Yorksville YSM1s. Mainly because I am bugged by the fact that the Tannoys only go down to about 65hz where the Yorkville reach down to about 40hz. Am I being irrational?
Can't beat the Tannoys for looks though
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Can't beat the Tannoys for looks though
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sjoko2
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Ahhhhhhh finally!!!!!!!!
I think that's the first time anyone has supported my much voiced claim - NS 10's are cool!
They sound totally fucked, I'd never use them at home to listen to music, but they are HONEST.
You make a mistake........you hear it, immediately.
You make something sound good on NS10's - it will sound good on ANYTHING. For me, one of the most essential tools in a studio, regardles wether its a 2000 bucks a day room or a homewreckers place.
If you've got a pair -- don't sell them.
I'd even go as far as to say - if I was given the choice - would you like to mix this project on a pair of 6ooo bucks Genelex's or a pair of 2oo bucks NS10's - keep the G's - I want to make a good record, I don't need to hear "nice"
I think that's the first time anyone has supported my much voiced claim - NS 10's are cool!
They sound totally fucked, I'd never use them at home to listen to music, but they are HONEST.
You make a mistake........you hear it, immediately.
You make something sound good on NS10's - it will sound good on ANYTHING. For me, one of the most essential tools in a studio, regardles wether its a 2000 bucks a day room or a homewreckers place.
If you've got a pair -- don't sell them.
I'd even go as far as to say - if I was given the choice - would you like to mix this project on a pair of 6ooo bucks Genelex's or a pair of 2oo bucks NS10's - keep the G's - I want to make a good record, I don't need to hear "nice"
Blue Bear Sound
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Hey, SJ2...
...don't you think that THAT's true only if you've already adjusted to 'em??? I don't think a novice with NS-10s will be any better off, wouldn't you agree?
Bruce
...don't you think that THAT's true only if you've already adjusted to 'em??? I don't think a novice with NS-10s will be any better off, wouldn't you agree?
Bruce
sjoko2
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No Blue, I don't agree.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like to mix on NS10's, but I'll always reference back to them. If your job is to do a mix, and make the material you've got sound as good as possible, then please give me a monitor that tells me when something is wrong. I'd prefer a bad sounding little animal of a monitor to one that makes everything I do sound "nice", only to find out that I can't possibly play my mix in the car or on granny's boombox, 'coz it sounds awful.
That is exactly the reason I sorta lost it and got a bit ehhh nasty to someone. Don't remember his nick, but he was a speaker designer who maintained that monitors were a waste of time / money and hifi speakers would be a lot better. NS10's were the right tool for the job, and they still do an amazing job after all these years. To much of this..... not enough of that .......an NS will tell you...... and isn't that exactly what mixing is about?
Don't get me wrong, I don't like to mix on NS10's, but I'll always reference back to them. If your job is to do a mix, and make the material you've got sound as good as possible, then please give me a monitor that tells me when something is wrong. I'd prefer a bad sounding little animal of a monitor to one that makes everything I do sound "nice", only to find out that I can't possibly play my mix in the car or on granny's boombox, 'coz it sounds awful.
That is exactly the reason I sorta lost it and got a bit ehhh nasty to someone. Don't remember his nick, but he was a speaker designer who maintained that monitors were a waste of time / money and hifi speakers would be a lot better. NS10's were the right tool for the job, and they still do an amazing job after all these years. To much of this..... not enough of that .......an NS will tell you...... and isn't that exactly what mixing is about?
Blue Bear Sound
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Absolutely...
...as a 2nd or 3rd reference, I am in full agreement with you. Much the same way as I use Auratone equivalents as an alternate reference.
But the majority of the new-to-recording home crowd struggles to get just a single pair of monitors and will probably not even consider secondary references (as much as it's necessary if you want a mix that translates successfully!) I don't know if I'd recommend NS-10s in that situation... I think for the novice, there be too much of a tendency to overcompensate for the NS-10s shortcomings and blow the mix thru inexperience! They wouldn't hear the bass relationship properly on 'em, and very likely boost it unnecessarily to adapt... I don't know, I'm just speculating...
...but when I first started out, I personally tried for a couple of years to adjust to NS-10s, and I simply couldn't.... they were AWFUL! Anything I mixed on them sounded really funky... When I relegated them to secondaries, (I can't remember what primaries I was using at the time, probably Tannoys), my mixes were a lot more successful....... I eventually off-loaded them to another novice (who "just had to have them...because all the majors use 'em...") for the same price I paid for 'em!
Ever since, I've been in the "anti-NS10" camp! (at least as the primary reference....) Mind you, this is all my own opinion based solely on my own ears' experience....... the bottom line is, as always, whatever works for people!
Bruce
...as a 2nd or 3rd reference, I am in full agreement with you. Much the same way as I use Auratone equivalents as an alternate reference.
But the majority of the new-to-recording home crowd struggles to get just a single pair of monitors and will probably not even consider secondary references (as much as it's necessary if you want a mix that translates successfully!) I don't know if I'd recommend NS-10s in that situation... I think for the novice, there be too much of a tendency to overcompensate for the NS-10s shortcomings and blow the mix thru inexperience! They wouldn't hear the bass relationship properly on 'em, and very likely boost it unnecessarily to adapt... I don't know, I'm just speculating...
...but when I first started out, I personally tried for a couple of years to adjust to NS-10s, and I simply couldn't.... they were AWFUL! Anything I mixed on them sounded really funky... When I relegated them to secondaries, (I can't remember what primaries I was using at the time, probably Tannoys), my mixes were a lot more successful....... I eventually off-loaded them to another novice (who "just had to have them...because all the majors use 'em...") for the same price I paid for 'em!
Ever since, I've been in the "anti-NS10" camp! (at least as the primary reference....) Mind you, this is all my own opinion based solely on my own ears' experience....... the bottom line is, as always, whatever works for people!
Bruce
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Wallycleaver
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ns 10's
I have mixed with ns 10's with "clients" behind me. The clients bought a neato system aw16 or what not with ns10. They were so pissed that it didn't sound good and there was not enough bass.We got into a screaming match. I burned a rough mix, went out to his car played it, then he bitched about being bass heavy! Never will I mix around anyone using ns10's!
I have mixed with ns 10's with "clients" behind me. The clients bought a neato system aw16 or what not with ns10. They were so pissed that it didn't sound good and there was not enough bass.We got into a screaming match. I burned a rough mix, went out to his car played it, then he bitched about being bass heavy! Never will I mix around anyone using ns10's!
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