What Makes an artist Real Hip hop

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I can flip between real hip-hop or just rap for the sake of rapping (entertainment value) and can do the same with my beats. Depending on what I'm trying to do, my style will reflect it.

I think that's the difference between someone like Camron and Lil' Jon. Lil' Jon does the shit for money, most mainstream rappers do, if they tell you different, they may be giving you slanted truth. Most underground rappers are doing it trying to get major deal money. Nothing wrong with that until the slanted truths start coming out like titties out of bras on a girls gone wild video.
 
Artikulate said:
Lil Jon is NOT NOT NOT HIP HOP. His cd's are GARBAGE that belong in a trash can. Every song he makes is intended to be played in a club and has no meaning whatsoever. What he does is ENTERTAIN people. He doesn't make music because he loves music. He makes music because he loves money. It's so obvious when you listen to his work and compare it with almost any random rapper you pull off the shelf. What he does requires NO talent. His gay crunk beats require no talent(which is evident by every other lame ass wannabe Lil Jon on soundclick) and his lyrics are pitiful. He might as well just release the beats. Like I said before, his whole cd is meant for putting out songs and figuring out which one can be marketed best. Get Low, Yeah! and all that shit. A cd should have a maximum of two "crunk" songs or "party/radio" songs MAX. DMX does this very well with each cd having about 1-2 songs meant for radio/clubs. Lil Jon puts 15 club songs on a cd and tricks dumb motherfuckers(such as yourself) into buying it and calling it hip hop. You want Hip Hop in it's truest form?


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How can u say Lil Jon aint hip hop when in the begining of rap the whole purpose of an MC aka Master of Ceremony was the get the party hype and get the people dancing..... you cant say he just into music for the money you dont know that man from a can of paint.... not tryin to offend just stating tha facts..... if Crunk music is what he feel then thats what he feel... maybe he dont want to talk about how super lyrical he is (i.e. canibus) cause one he hasn't shown us he is and two he might just not like that brand of music.......
 
What does it matter?
I don't think there is any mold that defines hiphop.
If everyone stuck to what most think defines hiphop, the artform would never progress.
Hiphop is whatever you/me/they want to make it. It shouldnt shape and form what we do, we should shape and form what "it" is.
 
lmao @ how can I not call Lil Jon hip hop. Easily, he took an artform and destroyed it with shitty crunk. And Lil Jon would not be rocking crowds without a beat. If that dumb motherfucker was standin on stage with no beat yelling get low he would be told to get the fuck off stage. Whereas if you had someone with ACTUAL talent actually getting up and freestyling you wouldn't need a hot beat.
 
i see alot of hate toward lil jon..for whats..1st he is a producer/ hype man..hhe dont rap much on any of his cds...and to say he in it for the money isnt always the answer..he has been puttin in work for years..like anyone else..(used to produce for 2 live crew)..crunk movement is something he started in Atlanta and he didnt think it was goin to catch on..like it or not it did..

just casue the South do things different then what up north cats consider guide line to what hip-hip is doesnt mean the next man see it the same..

he created his on style and it sells..period..like it or not..it has taken over mainstream airways..

you say he took an artform and destroyed it..witch one is that...cause last i heard crunk was new...i could be wrong

but lil jon is an entertainer..that is what he do entertain...period
 
Bknot and Fyre, I couldn't have said it better myself. Lil John is a friend of mine, who I've workd with several times. He started crunk grind 10 years ago at 559 (a hole in the wall club in the West End) Trust me there wasn't much money involved. The payment was the explosive energy from the crowd, and if the sound went out, pleasebeliev the yelling, and the party kept going......Articulate, if you knew hip hop history, as Fyre explained, you would understand that the founders of hip hop where in essence "crunk" artist. What they said wasn't much lyricaly, but it got the crowd going. Luvbug Starski, Busy Bee, and Grand Wizard Theodore. The people you named pay tribute to these names. Just because you don't like it or takes on a different form of creativity, does that mean it's not hip hop. If so that's a small minded way to think, and I know you're smarter than that.
 
bknot1 said:
i see alot of hate toward lil jon..for whats..1st he is a producer/ hype man..hhe dont rap much on any of his cds...and to say he in it for the money isnt always the answer..he has been puttin in work for years..like anyone else..(used to produce for 2 live crew)..crunk movement is something he started in Atlanta and he didnt think it was goin to catch on..like it or not it did..

just casue the South do things different then what up north cats consider guide line to what hip-hip is doesnt mean the next man see it the same..

he created his on style and it sells..period..like it or not..it has taken over mainstream airways..

you say he took an artform and destroyed it..witch one is that...cause last i heard crunk was new...i could be wrong

but lil jon is an entertainer..that is what he do entertain...period
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That is exactly what I was saying bout Jon.. He put in his time and helped create a sound that represents a region... That is HIP HOP.. Your like or dislike has nothing to do with it being HIP HOP...
 
Articulate, if you knew hip hop history, as Fyre explained, you would understand that the founders of hip hop where in essence "crunk" artist. What they said wasn't much lyricaly, but it got the crowd going. Luvbug Starski, Busy Bee, and Grand Wizard Theodore. The people you named pay tribute to these names. Just because you don't like it or takes on a different form of creativity, does that mean it's not hip hop. If so that's a small minded way to think, and I know you're smarter than that.
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That is exactly what I was saying bout Jon.. He put in his time and helped create a sound that represents a region
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You can put syrup on shit all you want but that don't make it pancakes. Linkin Park is more Hip Hop than Lil Jon. Tell Lil Jon to battle somebody and he will get fried. His lyrical ability is ZERO.
 
But what type of battle are you talking about? Origanally, in hip hop the battle was who could rock the party. So according to you the founders of hip hop weren't hip hop?.....We're not trying to get you to like Lil John, we just want you to understand that hip hop has more forms than just a lyrical battle.
 
Lil jon isnt an Mcee why would he be battlin.. He has 0 Mcee skills... He is like a hype man.. A freaky tie A flavor Flav a Pete roc trying to hype up da track.. I personally don't feel dat ish but hey..

My opinion of him being hip hop is strictly on the production/beats minus da screamin an ish.... A few years ago I felt the same way you did bout him.. I used to git on my man Big Cap about doing that song with him... and then I learned you appreciate someones work and dedication even if your not a fan of the complete product.. I respect Jon for his contribution to hip hop... He helped broaden the sound of hip hop...

anyway I respect your opinion tho and Im leave it alone...

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What the hell is *real hip hop*?

First off, I love KRS, Kool Mo Dee, Pete Rock and all them old school heads.

But I'm tired of purists claiming a lot of the newer knuckleheads aren't hip hop. Whether you like it or not, 50 Cent, Lil Jon, Ying yang and them are a part of hip hop too. And right now, they ARE the face of hip hop.

Yeah, the level of social consciousness, political initiative, and lyrical potency dissipated over the last 20 years into the art form we have today.


But instead of redefining *real hip hop* to EXCLUDE these new cats, recognize that its weak today, and do your part as a talented MC, producer, whatever to elevate the art form to what you want it to be.
 
I agree with hip hop being shit that comes from the heart...that shit can be anything tho...

even though I enjoy hip hop most when it has meaningful lyrics, you can't forget hip hop started out as party music...so if the lyrics ain't about anything, you can't just go 'n say it ain't hip hop.
 
did somebody say . . .KOOL MOE DEE? AHHHH YEAH!!!! I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING HIM . . . AND HE EVEN LISTENED TO 3 OF MY SONGS - LIVE AND IN PERSON . .. AND EVEN TOLD ME THAT I HAD SKILLS . . . NO QUESTION . . NOW THAT MAAPHUCKA MADE MY DAY . . NAH FUCK THAT HE MADE MY . . . LIFE!!!!!!!!! THATS DAM NEAR THE MAIN DRIVIN FORCE BEHIND ME KEEPIN AT IT!!!!!!!! I KNOW ALL IT TAKES IS BEIN IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME . . .
 
bout expressin you, not someone else cause that makes you a fake.
 
I think it's all about doing whatever the hell you want, whether it's making a new trend, or just recreating a current one, or just to get your message out. Fake hiphop is just doing it for money/fame/to feed your ego.
 
What I'm about to say might sound like I'm contradicting myself, but I'm not....

I disagree with alot of these rappers today about their ideas about hip-hop. Hip hop was never about money.... For example, artists like TI, Jeezy, and 50 Cent always use their record sales to proove that hip-hop is still alive... they use their street cred to proove that hip-hop isn't dead.

I'm a fan of Nas, Common, KRS-one, Ghostface, Kweli, Mos Def and other hip hop enthusiasts, but I also have to disagree with Nas about hip-hop being dead....

Hip-hop was originally about having fun... before Nas, Common, Kweli, and all these other hip-hop enthusiasts were around, there were artists like Kurtis Blow, Run DMC, and others who just wanted to have fun. Their rhymes weren't complicated, their beats were simple, they had breakdancing and they simply were having a good time. I think artists like Nas have taken hip-hop too seriously... they've created rules about what hip-hop should be (they've made up stuff like the four elements:Graffiti, Breakdancers, Turntable DJs, and Breakdancers---- what a load of garbage!!!)

To be honest--- Hip hop today is actually closer to how it originally was... music for the clubs or streets for the sake of having fun... yeah I hate songs like "pop, lock, and drop it", "crank that", and "lean wit it rock wit it", but they are actually very true to hip hop

The streets ain't hip-hop... there were people strugglin, hustlin, selling drugs, and livin in the hood and makin music about it long before hip-hop was created

Havin fancy cars, jewelry, and all the women you can get ain't hip-hop... Ray Charles, Stevie wonder, and B.B. King had all that long before hip hop was created

Real Hip-hop isn't just Nas, it isn't just Doug E Fresh, it isn't just the dirty south, it isn't just west coast... but it is a family-- each member unique and special in its own way, but part of one family... you might have a brother that you don't agree with, but he is still your brother!!!

Hip Hop ain't dead.... even though I am gettin tired of hearing the same music on the radio!!!!
 
Yo, man, you got some serious points there. I wouldn't lie. I really didn't look at it in that way.

But even though. Hip hop, rap ,r&B...Music is music. There ain't any limits to it. Do what you want, say what you want and class it as you want.

Come on...even some hip hop songs get placed under r&b and vice versa.
So much people fighting down what is what. It will still end up in some catagory.

Lil John is a hype man, Camron is a lyricist...why compare???
Once they both are doing what they want to, expressing how they want to, sing, shouting, rapping how they want to...it's Music...Freedom of Expression...

It's your choice to listen or not....
 
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