What Does 'Normalize' Mean?

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good thread (except for the fighting :rolleyes:)
nialldoran said:
yeah there where some idiots in this thread hating on glen, for no reason
I want to just go on the record to say that personally I don't consider the exchange between me and NYMorningstar to be part of the fighting or hating (not that you guys necessarily said it was.) We have a legit difference in our belief and POV on the subject of normalization in audio and we hashed it out here, with the only apparent resolution being that we'll just have to agree to disagree. I can understand where he's coming from, I just don't buy into it myself. And he doesn't buy into my POV either. That's OK, that's allowed in the Western world ;). The readers can read both sides and make their own minds up.

G.
 
I want to just go on the record to say that personally I don't consider the exchange between me and NYMorningstar to be part of the fighting or hating (not that you guys necessarily said it was.) We have a legit difference in our belief and POV on the subject of normalization in audio and we hashed it out here, with the only apparent resolution being that we'll just have to agree to disagree. I can understand where he's coming from, I just don't buy into it myself. And he doesn't buy into my POV either. That's OK, that's allowed in the Western world ;). The readers can read both sides and make their own minds up.

G.
Dittos to that. ty
 
It's not that I'm stretching the meaning, it's that the marketing whizzos at the software companies have crushed and straightjacketed the real meaning into one little tiny specific example of what the term and the process really means.

I have the advantage (or maybe you might call it a disadvantage, I guess that's more perspective than anything) of having become familiar with the concept of "normalization" in a couple of different fields long before I even first saw the term used in audio software back in the days of Sound Forge v2 (i think). Back then the only time I ever heard of "normalization" in audio has to do with things like radio transmitter signal normaization, which indeed had much to do with limiting the signal to conform to FCC rules, while at the same time boosting average modulation levels as much as possible without breaking those rules (an early front in the long-existing volume wars). It bore a superficial resemblance to what we now know today as peak normalization, but it also included elements of what we would today call limiting and RMS normalization as well.

So right away, when I saw that "normalize" button in that first copy of SF, and what it did, I immediately realized, "well, that's different than the 'typical' use of the term 'normalize' I'm used to thinking of in audio". And I saw that it was only one specific type of normalization of many that I was already familiar with - and that's not even including the usages of the term that I had already learned in my nascent IT career, not to mention my high school science, math and biology classes.

Why not just accept the current use of "normalize" in audio as meaning digital peak normalization, and never mind the extraneous stuff I'm dredging up? First, because as I explained in an earlier post, that's only how it's currently used maybe about 95% of the time. It's NOT a universal definition, even in digital audio. There are an increasing number of RMS normalizers, volume balancers, etc. that do other stuff to normalize the signal than just peak normalization, and they properly *call* them normalizers as well. We teach here that "normalize" only means an overall volume gain by x dB until the loudest peak is 0dBFS, and we're not teaching them anything about the other - far more useful - types of normalizers out there.

Second, Understanding the general concept of "normalization" and not the the one specific button, can lead to a whole new level of comprehension and understanding of how to manipulate our music to better advantage.

It would be a lot easier to just say that "normalize" means boost the peak to 0dBFS, but it would be incomplete at best, and just plain wrong at worst.

And when have you ever known me to just take the easier route? ;)

G.

*kneeling* AMEN!!!!!
 
The last time i checked this is a forum about audio and audio related subjects. I missed the part where anyone cared what "normalize" means outside of the audio realm. The question was just what does normalize mean in the software. No one minds reading long posts as long as the person posting doesnt go off on some rant, about what a word means in science, history, math, and your IT career. We shall find other forums for that if the urge arises.

Really? I wish I could put you on an ultra-ban-noob-list. Seriously man go to another site and rant about your ignorance.
 
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