Son of Mixerman
Mix Junior
pipelineaudio said:
What is sage? Is that an acronym or sumthing.
Did I just get insulted?
SoMm
What is sage? Is that an acronym or sumthing.
Did I just get insulted?
SoMm
pipelineaudio
Well-known member
Main Entry: sage
Pronunciation: 'sAj
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): sag·er; sag·est
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin sapius, from Latin sapere to taste, have good taste, be wise; akin to Oscan sipus knowing, Old Saxon ansebbian to perceive
Date: 14th century
1 a : wise through reflection and experience b archaic : GRAVE, SOLEMN
2 : proceeding from or characterized by wisdom, prudence, and good judgment <sage advice>
synonym see WISE
Pronunciation: 'sAj
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): sag·er; sag·est
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin sapius, from Latin sapere to taste, have good taste, be wise; akin to Oscan sipus knowing, Old Saxon ansebbian to perceive
Date: 14th century
1 a : wise through reflection and experience b archaic : GRAVE, SOLEMN
2 : proceeding from or characterized by wisdom, prudence, and good judgment <sage advice>
synonym see WISE
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Harvey Gerst
New member
auburncatfish said:
Oh, please!! Gimmeafuckinbreak! That's pure horseshit.
Shailat
New member
Harvey Gerst said:
What ?!?!? Harvey you don't know ? a guy at home with average equipment, can make better music than a pro. And we ARE more original than pros because we're rogues. We don't comply with the formula that sells, but we use our own that may or may not work. Really whats wrong with you...
Harvey for once let me give YOU some advice on a BBS....Stay far away from these threads.... You can't win...
tanlith
King of the Wicker People
Harvey Gerst said:
Lemme start by saying yer wrong...
Lemme clarify my earlier example by naming the studio (I was a little hesitent at firsrt but ... fuck it)
Metal Works Studios... (Hardly considered to be slouches since they did record some of Guns and Roses stuff as well as MANY others)
Here's the bottom like people... the fat cat "professional" studios are out to earl thier living and have to pay an entire staff... so like everyone else in the music business (and to be fair - in many OTHER businesses) they're more than happy to lie; cheat; lie some more; and intimidate you into paying them for sweet fuck all.
Home recording engineers would like to be able to actually produce good music... and that determination and perserverance shines through in the music they make and post here. The result of which is something fare sweeter and more tangible that any professional studio can pump out... if I had the facilities to record someone's band and they fell short on cash with only about 2-3hrs of work left to do on the master you would not hear me saying "Well, why don't you come back when you have the money and we can sew this puppy up." and stick them out on the street. What you would hear me say (And I'm pretty sure I speak for most of the decent folk here when I say this) is something like this: "Look, don't worry about the cash. Let's get this thing finished properly for you so you've got something to shop around. We can work something out later."
To sum it all up:
Professional studios are all about MONEY
Home recording engineers are all about MUSIC
So who do you think I would trust to help me finish my Demo???
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The rant continues:
(1) I've SEEN these guys help eachother out and HEARD the results of that help
(2) I haven't seen any posts where ANY professional engineers have offered any real helpful advice except "Bring it in to my studio and..."
(3) If I'm wrong with #2 than I'd like to thanks those engineers who HAVE contributed
(4) To all the arrogant professional engineers who have nothing REAL to submit. To those professionals who make the choice not to help but to hinder us with your worthless mindless non-supportive banter -- FUCK OFF AND GO SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY WANTED.
(5) I'm not wasting anymore time on this thread - we're just catering to those losers by providing an argument. I'm wasting time and energy here that would be best put into my music or helping someone. Good day gentlemen!
- Tanlith -
P.S. If someone really must rebut and wishes a response you'll have to message me privately as I'm unsubscribing to this waste of space.
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moley
New member
I always think it's a shame when people take the "it's us & them" attitude 
We're all here because we love to record music, right? Whether we do it as our profession or not, that's our purpose, right?
We're all here because we love to record music, right? Whether we do it as our profession or not, that's our purpose, right?
sweetnubs
New member
ooooh those poor starving bands are such fucking saints. And in return they'd be sure to pay an engineer a little extra just because he did a great job. All bands are saints and full of well intentions and would never try to rip anyone off or act like conceited assholes. Same with home recordists. you are so freakin' ignorant you are completely unaware of the diarreah you spew from your mouth . . .
pipelineaudio
Well-known member
"Metal Works Studios... (Hardly considered to be slouches since they did record some of Guns and Roses stuff as well as MANY others)"
now lets hear the Bad Job they did in question, I bet it would shed a little light on the matter. If they REALLY did a bad job it IS your JOB to let everyone know
"Here's the bottom like people... the fat cat "professional" studios are out to earl thier living and have to pay an entire staff... so like everyone else in the music business (and to be fair - in many OTHER businesses) they're more than happy to lie; cheat; lie some more; and intimidate you into paying them for sweet fuck all."
you are SO ignorant about this that I cant even begin to explain. Yes there are a few schmucks in this business, but they get weeded out VERY quickly. Of course 10 more jump in to take their place, but they usually arent reputable either, and if you asked for an example of your work you would know to avoid them instantly
"Professional studios are all about MONEY"
oh THIS is rich. Since you are 100% ignorant on this fact let me enlighten you
99.999999999999% of those who work in studios would do WAY better working at McDonalds. WAY WAY WAY better. There are far better ways to make money, including collecting aluminum cans and washing windshields at stoplights. For most engineers life goes like this:
Slave like hell at a studio doing whatever you can to help at all times. You WILL NOT have any sort of social life, be able to go out, etc...you will need to have some sort of job that can allow you to eat a little and hopefully a place to sleep but more likely you will have to sleep wherever you can find a place. Soon you will be fired from your job as the studio demands will conflict with your work schedule. Your health will soon suffer as 16 hour days are not uncommon, and that is EVERY day, no holidays, no vacations. You SHOW UP when they call you, if not, theres 100 waiting to take your place. You would not even begin to believe the tasks you might be called to do.
Someday, maybe you will land a "paying" job. Usually that means you will get paid an hourly rate of the booked time that you are working on. Any lapses in bookings will be lapses in money in your pocket. Still at this time, you will be FAR FAR better off working at McDonalds. The pay is higher, the work is steadier the benefits are wonderful. As a studio guy you have no benefits, whacko hours and you are at the mercy of the client at all times. If you object, 100 will be there to take your place. You still will have no social life, you will not be able to keep a relationship, and for the most part you will have to bum the necessities of life. A very fortunate few are able to afford cars during all this and thus will have a place to sleep.
After about 10 years of this your health will be miserable, you will have a level of anxiety and panic attacks you wouldnt wish on youre worst enemy, and there will be NOTHING you can do about it, as by this time your health will have deteriorated to the point where you couldnt even work at McDonalds if you wisely chose to give this career up. If you are VERY VERY lucky, you will find a nut girlfriend who will support you, but even the kindest soul will be at your throat constantly from the stress you put on her.
If you are really lucky you will someday be in a position of running a studio, at which point you get to fight the REAL liars. The pretend studio owners. Total lying theiving schmucks charging 10 bucks an hour claiming to do all this wonderful stuff. They grab customers, milk them, then when the clients realize its crap its too late and their money is gone. These are NOT real studios, in fact, many times they are home guys with a mackie and an adat, no CLUE on what they are doing, and talking shit about the " big evil studios". They rip off their clients then spend daddy and mommy's money on some other hobby later on, oblivious to the damage they have done
"Home recording engineers are all about MUSIC"
I could be an asshead here and say home recordists are all about money...saving money, but that would be just as stupid an overgeneralization
"(2) I haven't seen any posts where ANY professional engineers have offered any real helpful advice except "Bring it in to my studio and..."
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Really? So harvey hasnt helped anyone huh? Or Ed? Or god forbid me???
"(3) If I'm wrong with #2 than I'd like to thanks those engineers who HAVE contributed"
make sure brain is in gear before engaging the mouth
"(4) To all the arrogant professional engineers who have nothing REAL to submit. To those professionals who make the choice not to help but to hinder us with your worthless mindless non-supportive banter -- FUCK OFF AND GO SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY WANTED."
point them out! they are the ones who are giving us all a bad name... well, them and YOU! We can deal with em, just name em
"(5) I'm not wasting anymore time on this thread - we're just catering to those losers by providing an argument. I'm wasting time and energy here that would be best put into my music or helping someone. Good day gentlemen!"
good be an ostrich and stay ignorant, I wouldnt want you to maybe LEARN something from those who you ignorantly blast
now lets hear the Bad Job they did in question, I bet it would shed a little light on the matter. If they REALLY did a bad job it IS your JOB to let everyone know
"Here's the bottom like people... the fat cat "professional" studios are out to earl thier living and have to pay an entire staff... so like everyone else in the music business (and to be fair - in many OTHER businesses) they're more than happy to lie; cheat; lie some more; and intimidate you into paying them for sweet fuck all."
you are SO ignorant about this that I cant even begin to explain. Yes there are a few schmucks in this business, but they get weeded out VERY quickly. Of course 10 more jump in to take their place, but they usually arent reputable either, and if you asked for an example of your work you would know to avoid them instantly
"Professional studios are all about MONEY"
oh THIS is rich. Since you are 100% ignorant on this fact let me enlighten you
99.999999999999% of those who work in studios would do WAY better working at McDonalds. WAY WAY WAY better. There are far better ways to make money, including collecting aluminum cans and washing windshields at stoplights. For most engineers life goes like this:
Slave like hell at a studio doing whatever you can to help at all times. You WILL NOT have any sort of social life, be able to go out, etc...you will need to have some sort of job that can allow you to eat a little and hopefully a place to sleep but more likely you will have to sleep wherever you can find a place. Soon you will be fired from your job as the studio demands will conflict with your work schedule. Your health will soon suffer as 16 hour days are not uncommon, and that is EVERY day, no holidays, no vacations. You SHOW UP when they call you, if not, theres 100 waiting to take your place. You would not even begin to believe the tasks you might be called to do.
Someday, maybe you will land a "paying" job. Usually that means you will get paid an hourly rate of the booked time that you are working on. Any lapses in bookings will be lapses in money in your pocket. Still at this time, you will be FAR FAR better off working at McDonalds. The pay is higher, the work is steadier the benefits are wonderful. As a studio guy you have no benefits, whacko hours and you are at the mercy of the client at all times. If you object, 100 will be there to take your place. You still will have no social life, you will not be able to keep a relationship, and for the most part you will have to bum the necessities of life. A very fortunate few are able to afford cars during all this and thus will have a place to sleep.
After about 10 years of this your health will be miserable, you will have a level of anxiety and panic attacks you wouldnt wish on youre worst enemy, and there will be NOTHING you can do about it, as by this time your health will have deteriorated to the point where you couldnt even work at McDonalds if you wisely chose to give this career up. If you are VERY VERY lucky, you will find a nut girlfriend who will support you, but even the kindest soul will be at your throat constantly from the stress you put on her.
If you are really lucky you will someday be in a position of running a studio, at which point you get to fight the REAL liars. The pretend studio owners. Total lying theiving schmucks charging 10 bucks an hour claiming to do all this wonderful stuff. They grab customers, milk them, then when the clients realize its crap its too late and their money is gone. These are NOT real studios, in fact, many times they are home guys with a mackie and an adat, no CLUE on what they are doing, and talking shit about the " big evil studios". They rip off their clients then spend daddy and mommy's money on some other hobby later on, oblivious to the damage they have done
"Home recording engineers are all about MUSIC"
I could be an asshead here and say home recordists are all about money...saving money, but that would be just as stupid an overgeneralization
"(2) I haven't seen any posts where ANY professional engineers have offered any real helpful advice except "Bring it in to my studio and..."
"
Really? So harvey hasnt helped anyone huh? Or Ed? Or god forbid me???
"(3) If I'm wrong with #2 than I'd like to thanks those engineers who HAVE contributed"
make sure brain is in gear before engaging the mouth
"(4) To all the arrogant professional engineers who have nothing REAL to submit. To those professionals who make the choice not to help but to hinder us with your worthless mindless non-supportive banter -- FUCK OFF AND GO SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY WANTED."
point them out! they are the ones who are giving us all a bad name... well, them and YOU! We can deal with em, just name em
"(5) I'm not wasting anymore time on this thread - we're just catering to those losers by providing an argument. I'm wasting time and energy here that would be best put into my music or helping someone. Good day gentlemen!"
good be an ostrich and stay ignorant, I wouldnt want you to maybe LEARN something from those who you ignorantly blast
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auburncatfish
New member
Harvey Gerst said:
Harvey you're right, I am full of it most of the time.
Stay cool, this thread's too serious for me.
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chessrock
Banned
tanlith said:
Now I realize, Tanlith, that I'm merely talking to the wind, because you have since skipped town on this thread as you say.
But I'm not coming from the perspective of "big-time-studio-owner," but I have worked in a lot of creative fields where I've been in similar situations to the one you describe.First of all, I understand your point and where you're coming from. It makes perfect sense, and in an ideal world, you would be 100% correct and I would applaud you for showing such decency.
But in reality, a business is a business, and it works both ways: It's just as easy for a client to take advantage of the guy doing the work for them. Even easier. What you might be overlooking is that most clients will try to squeeze that extra 2-3 hours out of you. Now put yourself in the studio's shoes: that's 2-3 hours multiplied by 10 clients in a given week, which could very well amount to 30 hours worth of your efforts that you're basically giving away free.
I know people who work less than 30 hrs a week on their full-time jobs. And what's worse is that same "2-3 hours" in many cases has a strange way of turning in to more. Before long, you have the bass player calling up asking "Can I just fix that one wrong note? I swear it will only take me 20 minutes." Then, you have someone else asking if you could just "remix this one song. I was listening to it the other day on my computer speakers, and it didn't have enough bass."
Eventually what was originally your well-intentioned generosity has turned you in to an indentured servant with no outside life, basically working for free.Tanlith, are you the type who goes to get the tires changed on his car, gives a sad look to the guy, saying: "I only have money for 3, can you just spot me a break this one time and throw in the fourth one, pretty please?" No, you fucking moron. Pay for your goddamn tire and shut the fuck up. Contrary to your distorted beliefs, the owner of that tire shop might have expenses, a family, and/or a need to make money . . . just like Tanlith.
I'm sorry for putting things so harsh, but your attitude sucks, and yes, you need a good, solid bitch-slapping to bring you back to reality. Your statements are not those of "a decent human being." They are the selfish bickerings of a mindless wanker. I'm saying this to you as a favor, from one struggling musician type to the other. Some day you might thank me for it; if you somehow stumble upon a brain, that is.
Michael Jones
New member
auburncatfish said:
Yeah, just like a first year med student with a rusty knife can perform a triple bypass better than a heart surgeon.
Or an arm chair quaterback can play a superbowl game better than a seasoned veteran.
Or a kid with a set of crayons and a ruler can design a house better than a registered architect.
Put a little thought into what you say there catfish. Your statement is not only demeaning to audio engineering in general, but very disrespectful to the true professionals who have spent years - nay - decades, honing their skills for this craft.
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Harvey Gerst
New member
auburncatfish said:
If you wander over to harmony central's forum, you'll find a thread where a guy was looking to get a vacuum tube mic for his upcoming home recording session. Guess who loaned him a Marshall V-77 for as long as he needed it?
A few years ago, someone here asked about recording his choir and didn't have very good microphones. I loaned him a pair of Shure SM-81s. People come out to the studio all the time to ask how they can improve their home recordings, and I've never turned anybody away, ever.
And a large number of studios in the area know that I'm always willing to help them out anyway I can, from loaning them equipment if they need it, to free use of our studio if their studio goes down.
And our "pay by the song, not by the hour" policy means that every group will get all the time they need to get the music right, regardless of how long it takes. We've even redone whole albums, because we weren't happy with the results, and we redid them for free.
This year alone, I've done about 3 free albums for people I though deserved a chance. This weekend, I've got a group coming in that needs a 3 song demo, and they have no money to pay for it.
Painting all professional studios with that broad a brush serves nobody's interest.
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moley
New member
Harvey Gerst said:
Wow, that's great Harvey!
Son of Mixerman
Mix Junior
pipelineaudio said:
Wow..I got a compliment...on making a wise comment! Whahooo.
Unless Vulgar Latin Sapius means vulgar latin sap!
SoMm
tanlith
King of the Wicker People
chessrock said:
I've never asked for a handout in my life but I'm more than willing to help someone who's down ... so fuck you you ignorant c**ks*ck*r. <--- I fell well justified in this... your comment was directed at ME not at a group in general as my earler post was.
When you know me personally... then you can have the right to insult me directly.
As for pipelines's post... I'll reiterate: All that space you wasted up there only served to strengthen my earlier comments about how "helpful" some of the the so called "pros" are.
I'm glad that studio engineers don't make any money to speak of... I'm sure my beat up old pickup cost a whole lot more than the 2 Jaguars parked outside the studio did... Get bent...
oh THIS is rich. Since you are 100% ignorant on this fact let me enlighten you
99.999999999999% of those who work in studios would do WAY better working at McDonalds. WAY WAY WAY better.
OK let's go WAY back to business 101 - if the business doesn't make money, the business doesn't survive... so don't try to pass off yer horse shit that you're broke. Every time I go to a studio I see most of the employees wearing designer jeans and $50-60 doller shirts... i used to work at McDonalds when I was in high school... the pay is shit... and if you make less than that, then you should be in contact with your local human rights comittee since I'm pretty sure McDonalds pays the legal minimum wage ... if you're making less than that your boss is breaking the law. -- I'm ignorant??
After about 10 years of this your health will be miserable, you will have a level of anxiety and panic attacks you wouldnt wish on youre worst enemy, and there will be NOTHING you can do about it, as by this time your health will have deteriorated to the point where you couldnt even work at McDonalds if you wisely chose to give this career up. If you are VERY VERY lucky, you will find a nut girlfriend who will support you, but even the kindest soul will be at your throat constantly from the stress you put on her.
If you're so unhappy, change careers ... people do it all the time. Your personal life isn't my problem... It's your attitude that sucks.
"Home recording engineers are all about MUSIC"
I could be an asshead here and say home recordists are all about money...saving money, but that would be just as stupid an overgeneralization
Name a home engineer here who is not also an aspiring musician... they play music ... that's why they have thier studios... ergo they are all about the music... elementry my dear pipeline... yes... as for you being an asshead... well, some things are better left unsaid...
"(4) To all the arrogant professional engineers who have nothing REAL to submit. To those professionals who make the choice not to help but to hinder us with your worthless mindless non-supportive banter -- FUCK OFF AND GO SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY WANTED."
point them out! they are the ones who are giving us all a bad name... well, them and YOU! We can deal with em, just name em
... sorry... didn't think it would be a wise use of space to quote your entire post here... and you don't need me to give you a bad name... you're doing such a wonderful job at it right now....
BTW: I do hope your handle isn't also the name of the studio where you work... if so... piss poor way of advertising....good be an ostrich and stay ignorant, I wouldnt want you to maybe LEARN something from those who you ignorantly blast
I was quite content to do so... Apperently some people need an english lesson though... that's ok though... I understand that many people these days suffer from illiteracy...
And I quote: (Last line in my previous post)
P.S. If someone really must rebut and wishes a response you'll have to message me privately as I'm unsubscribing to this waste of space.
Apperently you either can't read or was hoping I wouldn't catch the BS you were selling? As for me learning something, well... let's just say I learn not only from my own experience but from the experiences of those around me. What did I learn? Well, I've already outlined that above in my earlier posts.
So feel free to outline your latest superhero exploits... tell us oh great one when was the last time you actally "helped" someone without sticking out your hand for the payoff? Hrrmmmm??? Do you really think you're doing any good here? Right now? On this thread?? You've only served to strengthen the misguided opinion that professionals think home studios are a waste of time.
Next time ya wanna attack me directly be sure to contact me and let me know... don't hide behind the fact that I may not be back to read the posts... I wouldn't have bothered, but a friend pointed this out and the opprotunity was too humorus to pass up.
As for the original sentiment of this thread, I think you have your answer tjohnston... generally speaking the majority of Professional Engineers think home recording engineers are hacks that don't have a clue... a few however seem to be decent folk who see the possibility that home studios are useful in their own right.
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In closing I'll recap something from my previous post that was more or less either missed of glossed over.
The equipment on the desktops of the average home recording engineer are as good or better than the equipment you would have found in many many professional studios 10 years ago. To refute this fact would be to deny that technology has moved forward... so don't bother trying. Simple basic logic would dictate that if I have the equipment that can produce the same quality of music that was recorded 10 years ago in professional studios than I have the means to produce professional quality music. (Albeit I may lack some of the skill involved).
Some of the music that I've heard from here is as good a quality (and in some cases better) than music I heard back in the late 80's early 90's. To say that the music produced in these home studios is crap is to also deny the quality of the music from a decade ago... because the music is 10yrs old makes it shit?? No... to say that would be silly. And I doubt that any of you out there would say that.
So how can you possibly justify saying the music made in these home studios is crap? I've heard the results... i like most od what I heard... the people here have heard the results... they seem to like what they've heard... many of us eagerly await the release of each others CDs so we can buy one... so from a consumer stand point there's support here.
... oh I could go on and on and on and on and on and on...
Hey... yer a pro... listen to this and give your honest opinion of the audio quality. Just curious...
I Walk Alone
I'm looking forward to your opinion.
- Tanlith -
P.S. Harvey Gerst --- Nice to see that someone's contributing something ... keep it up
pipelineaudio
Well-known member
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99.999999999999% of those who work in studios would do WAY better working at McDonalds. WAY WAY WAY better.
OK let's go WAY back to business 101 - if the business doesn't make money, the business doesn't survive... so don't try to pass off yer horse shit that you're broke. Every time I go to a studio I see most of the employees wearing designer jeans and $50-60 doller shirts... i used to work at McDonalds when I was in high school... the pay is shit... and if you make less than that, then you should be in contact with your local human rights comittee since I'm pretty sure McDonalds pays the legal minimum wage ... if you're making less than that your boss is breaking the law. -- I'm ignorant??
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yes you are VERY ignorant. If you think most studio workers make minimum wage or above you are VERY VERY ignorant. This isnt a legit business, not in the least. You really need to get out and understand the field you are bashing
YOU made the point that studios are about money and home guys were about music. This was to tell you, unless you are 100 % about music, and NOT about money, you have NO business in the studio field. You MUST be 100 % dedicated to music, whether it costs you your health, family, social life, or whatever...seems YOU are about money.
But still I'd like to see these designer clothes wearing studio guys, in a REAL studio. Sure theres some about, but they are the vast minority
"So feel free to outline your latest superhero exploits... tell us oh great one when was the last time you actally "helped" someone without sticking out your hand for the payoff? Hrrmmmm??? Do you really think you're doing any good here? Right now? On this thread?? You've only served to strengthen the misguided opinion that professionals think home studios are a waste of time"
search my name in this BBS about, lets see: recording guitars, recording drums, mixing, mic selection, you name it...Ignorance is bliss huh?
"a few however seem to be decent folk who see the possibility that home studios are useful in their own right.
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which is EXACTLY what i said in my first post
keep going with the ignorance thing, you seem pretty good at it
"The equipment on the desktops of the average home recording engineer are as good or better than the equipment you would have found in many many professional studios 10 years ago. To refute this fact would be to deny that technology has moved forward... so don't bother trying. Simple basic logic would dictate that if I have the equipment that can produce the same quality of music that was recorded 10 years ago in professional studios than I have the means to produce professional quality music"
oh my GOD!!!!!! you are SO ignorant. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!
tell me oh wise master, which of your alesis nanocompressors beats a Fairchild? Which of your plug in reverbs beats a EMT plate? The cheap stuff is getting better by leaps and bounds, but to say that it rivals what was available 10, 20 30, 40 years ago ????? wake up!
"So how can you possibly justify saying the music made in these home studios is crap? "
who said that ?
Again, mr. ignorance lemmequote a bit of what I said:
"Home studios are great in that they can allow an artist to develop their songs without worrying about money and a ticking clock. People with home studios that end up recording at a bigger studio usually end up with a MUCH better album than those who never heard themselves on tape before
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and
"I DO try and set up the smarter of my clients with their own home studios as much as I can. It actually creates a LOT more business for me in the long run.
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and
"well that was the question that was asked, so I answered. And you will most likely find that professional engineers at truly professional studios LIKE to deal with people who have home studios. In this case you usually have a much better prepared band who understands exactly where their strengths and weaknesses are.
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and
"sorry that you think everyone has to be against each other. For the most part my relationship with home studios is a mutually beneficial one, they work out what they can at home and they come to me for the parts they cant."
boy sure sounds like Im bashing home studios huh?
Maybe if YOU werent SO MUCH about MONEY and cared about music you'd understand things better
Im sorry that those of us who care about MUSIC 100 % arent clearer to you
"Hey... yer a pro... listen to this and give your honest opinion of the audio quality. Just curious...
I Walk Alone
I'm looking forward to your opinion.
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I am looking forward. I hope they sound good, sincerely. Like I said I like to hear home studio guys, and help when I can
99.999999999999% of those who work in studios would do WAY better working at McDonalds. WAY WAY WAY better.
OK let's go WAY back to business 101 - if the business doesn't make money, the business doesn't survive... so don't try to pass off yer horse shit that you're broke. Every time I go to a studio I see most of the employees wearing designer jeans and $50-60 doller shirts... i used to work at McDonalds when I was in high school... the pay is shit... and if you make less than that, then you should be in contact with your local human rights comittee since I'm pretty sure McDonalds pays the legal minimum wage ... if you're making less than that your boss is breaking the law. -- I'm ignorant??
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yes you are VERY ignorant. If you think most studio workers make minimum wage or above you are VERY VERY ignorant. This isnt a legit business, not in the least. You really need to get out and understand the field you are bashing
YOU made the point that studios are about money and home guys were about music. This was to tell you, unless you are 100 % about music, and NOT about money, you have NO business in the studio field. You MUST be 100 % dedicated to music, whether it costs you your health, family, social life, or whatever...seems YOU are about money.
But still I'd like to see these designer clothes wearing studio guys, in a REAL studio. Sure theres some about, but they are the vast minority
"So feel free to outline your latest superhero exploits... tell us oh great one when was the last time you actally "helped" someone without sticking out your hand for the payoff? Hrrmmmm??? Do you really think you're doing any good here? Right now? On this thread?? You've only served to strengthen the misguided opinion that professionals think home studios are a waste of time"
search my name in this BBS about, lets see: recording guitars, recording drums, mixing, mic selection, you name it...Ignorance is bliss huh?
"a few however seem to be decent folk who see the possibility that home studios are useful in their own right.
"
which is EXACTLY what i said in my first post
keep going with the ignorance thing, you seem pretty good at it
"The equipment on the desktops of the average home recording engineer are as good or better than the equipment you would have found in many many professional studios 10 years ago. To refute this fact would be to deny that technology has moved forward... so don't bother trying. Simple basic logic would dictate that if I have the equipment that can produce the same quality of music that was recorded 10 years ago in professional studios than I have the means to produce professional quality music"
oh my GOD!!!!!! you are SO ignorant. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!
tell me oh wise master, which of your alesis nanocompressors beats a Fairchild? Which of your plug in reverbs beats a EMT plate? The cheap stuff is getting better by leaps and bounds, but to say that it rivals what was available 10, 20 30, 40 years ago ????? wake up!
"So how can you possibly justify saying the music made in these home studios is crap? "
who said that ?
Again, mr. ignorance lemmequote a bit of what I said:
"Home studios are great in that they can allow an artist to develop their songs without worrying about money and a ticking clock. People with home studios that end up recording at a bigger studio usually end up with a MUCH better album than those who never heard themselves on tape before
"
and
"I DO try and set up the smarter of my clients with their own home studios as much as I can. It actually creates a LOT more business for me in the long run.
"
and
"well that was the question that was asked, so I answered. And you will most likely find that professional engineers at truly professional studios LIKE to deal with people who have home studios. In this case you usually have a much better prepared band who understands exactly where their strengths and weaknesses are.
"
and
"sorry that you think everyone has to be against each other. For the most part my relationship with home studios is a mutually beneficial one, they work out what they can at home and they come to me for the parts they cant."
boy sure sounds like Im bashing home studios huh?
Maybe if YOU werent SO MUCH about MONEY and cared about music you'd understand things better
Im sorry that those of us who care about MUSIC 100 % arent clearer to you
"Hey... yer a pro... listen to this and give your honest opinion of the audio quality. Just curious...
I Walk Alone
I'm looking forward to your opinion.
"
I am looking forward. I hope they sound good, sincerely. Like I said I like to hear home studio guys, and help when I can
Jamal Bucket
New member
wow im NEVER in here however i would like to point out that when "pipeline" was REALLY new here ...he took the time to help me out quite a bit ..he listened to a bunch of my songs and gave me some excellent advice/links to help with my pathetic drum sound...as well as just general comments..."for this genre TYPICALLY you shoot for "insert sound here".....ANYWAY back to the pissing match.....
jamal
jamal
pipelineaudio
Well-known member
Shit, that song and recording were AWESOME!
I guess I was right, home studios are cool
this also goes a long way to pointing out what Ive been saying on my recording rants. A band this tight is a very rare thing these days
I guess I was right, home studios are cool
this also goes a long way to pointing out what Ive been saying on my recording rants. A band this tight is a very rare thing these days
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littledog
New member
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I would like to reiterate that few people have spent as much time in the Newbie forum painstakingly answering even the most basic questions with both patience and humor as... PIPELINE!
For anyone to imply otherwise shows that they have no real interest in presenting anything other than a distorted reality.
we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
I would like to reiterate that few people have spent as much time in the Newbie forum painstakingly answering even the most basic questions with both patience and humor as... PIPELINE!
For anyone to imply otherwise shows that they have no real interest in presenting anything other than a distorted reality.
we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
tanlith
King of the Wicker People
pipeline....
i went back over this entire forum and realized I did indeed mis read and misunderstood several things you said... I also recieved a few private messages from peeps here stating that you've had a positive impact on them as home recordists... I really don't wanna start going over details as there are definitely some issues that we will not likely see eye to eye on. Suffice it to say we both had some valid interesting arguements. All I ask is that you accept a couple of facts:
1) My opinion is my own and is rooted in personal experiences I have had.
2) I never lumped *all* pro techs in the same group... several of my posts outlined (genuine) thanks to those that contribute
3) My opinion is also swayed by the experiences of several long time friends of mine (3 of which did make it "big" -- 1 of which was signed on the spot after playing his demo cassette ... which was recorded live in a garage) -- the largest% of my frinds find the technicinas they have met to be arrogent and self serving. (Their words... not mine)
4) 12 yrs ago a man once told a group of us "When you send me a demo that was recorded in a studio like this one (We were at a recording seminar) you're not handing me a demo, you're handing me a master. I need something raw and live before I can decide weather or not I can work with you."
-- that man was Bob Ezra... and to be honest I can't see me disagreeing with him.
He went on to explain how too much of a bands real sound is covered up in a studio (Again Guns and Roses comes to mind... sound good on tape... suck live. Axel can't sing live to save his life in my opinion)
All of the above statements are facts... inarguable facts... and opinions... which again are inarguable.
One cannot argue the opinion of another. It's a futile gesture at best.
So I choose to terminate this and realize that I was indeed wrong in anything I said about you personally... I do however stick to my convictions about much of what I said in general.
I appologize to you for any comments that were directed directly at you as an individual. You also have my respect... wearing a reputation painted by people you've never met can't be an easy thing.
With so many people willing to speak up for all the good you have done here it is obvious you don't fit into the category of tech for which I was speaking about... which confuses me a bit... if you don't fit into that category than to whome's rescue were you comming????
Nevermind... it doesn't really matter. Perhaps if I had read more in the newbie section I would have seen what you have contibuted... my bad.
- Tanlith -
P.S. My ISP took that song down ... I have a severe space limitation on that account... any suggestions where I can go for cheap webspace? Anyone?
i went back over this entire forum and realized I did indeed mis read and misunderstood several things you said... I also recieved a few private messages from peeps here stating that you've had a positive impact on them as home recordists... I really don't wanna start going over details as there are definitely some issues that we will not likely see eye to eye on. Suffice it to say we both had some valid interesting arguements. All I ask is that you accept a couple of facts:
1) My opinion is my own and is rooted in personal experiences I have had.
2) I never lumped *all* pro techs in the same group... several of my posts outlined (genuine) thanks to those that contribute
3) My opinion is also swayed by the experiences of several long time friends of mine (3 of which did make it "big" -- 1 of which was signed on the spot after playing his demo cassette ... which was recorded live in a garage) -- the largest% of my frinds find the technicinas they have met to be arrogent and self serving. (Their words... not mine)
4) 12 yrs ago a man once told a group of us "When you send me a demo that was recorded in a studio like this one (We were at a recording seminar) you're not handing me a demo, you're handing me a master. I need something raw and live before I can decide weather or not I can work with you."
-- that man was Bob Ezra... and to be honest I can't see me disagreeing with him.
He went on to explain how too much of a bands real sound is covered up in a studio (Again Guns and Roses comes to mind... sound good on tape... suck live. Axel can't sing live to save his life in my opinion)
All of the above statements are facts... inarguable facts... and opinions... which again are inarguable.
One cannot argue the opinion of another. It's a futile gesture at best.
So I choose to terminate this and realize that I was indeed wrong in anything I said about you personally... I do however stick to my convictions about much of what I said in general.
I appologize to you for any comments that were directed directly at you as an individual. You also have my respect... wearing a reputation painted by people you've never met can't be an easy thing.
With so many people willing to speak up for all the good you have done here it is obvious you don't fit into the category of tech for which I was speaking about... which confuses me a bit... if you don't fit into that category than to whome's rescue were you comming????
Nevermind... it doesn't really matter. Perhaps if I had read more in the newbie section I would have seen what you have contibuted... my bad.
- Tanlith -
P.S. My ISP took that song down ... I have a severe space limitation on that account... any suggestions where I can go for cheap webspace? Anyone?
