what bit should i record with??

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cool edit may not be the best but it is what im most familiar with. Ive used it for years. For the equiptment i got cool edits fine. In the future ill prolly upgrade tho. WHats wrong with using it?
 
pod4477 said:
cool edit may not be the best but it is what im most familiar with. Ive used it for years. For the equiptment i got cool edits fine. In the future ill prolly upgrade tho. WHats wrong with using it?
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Nothing really wrong with it, it's good for what it does. I don't think the intention of it is to be true multi-track recording software, but rather recording/editing of stereo/mono wave files. Although I see now that Adobe Audition has a multi-track view - whatever that is exactly I'm not sure.

If you're thinking of upgrading in the future, I would go with multi-track DAW software. I have my fav, but there are plenty of options out there (N-Track, Reaper, Cubase, Sonar, etc.)

Strange how Cool Edit only allows for 16 and 32 bits - seems like they missed a logical step there in the middle which is 24 bit. Everytime I record I use 24 bit. Yes, you end up in 16 bit for CD audio, but 24 bit affords for a bit more headroom for mixing and for the space requirments, I feel it's worth it.
 
NYMorningstar said:
please read...?

Maybe you need to read my signature?

Not only is recording in 32 bit a waste but you shouldn't be using CEP to record, it's an editor.
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Yep....read your signature,...thanks.
CEP......just an editor?
NY......you've got to be joking man?
You can not be serious? I have never heard such tripe!! (Unless you ARE joking?)

Pod...just in case NY is serious, do not listen to him, ok?
You have one of the finest multi-track recording software to be had.

Regards,...to you both.
Superspit.
 
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warble2 said:
Nothing really wrong with it, it's good for what it does. I don't think the intention of it is to be true multi-track recording software, but rather recording/editing of stereo/mono wave files. Although I see now that Adobe Audition has a multi-track view - whatever that is exactly I'm not sure.

If you're thinking of upgrading in the future, I would go with multi-track DAW software. I have my fav, but there are plenty of options out there (N-Track, Reaper, Cubase, Sonar, etc.)

Strange how Cool Edit only allows for 16 and 32 bits - seems like they missed a logical step there in the middle which is 24 bit. Everytime I record I use 24 bit. Yes, you end up in 16 bit for CD audio, but 24 bit affords for a bit more headroom for mixing and for the space requirments, I feel it's worth it.
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Warble, I'm not too sure you understand CEP,..they've actually missed nothing, but maybe you have.....respectfully said.
Again, Pod.....this is the reason you should go to the Cool Edit forum,....you simply will not get the correct, EXPERIENCED responses unless you do!!
Pod....best you take all CEP questions over there.
 
Adobe Audition (except 2.0) is a great multi track DAW. I used it for years.

I switched over to Reaper though, due to bad/no support for MIDI/VSTis, and no 24-bit option...among other reasons.
 
superspit said:
Warble, I'm not too sure you understand CEP,..they've actually missed nothing, but maybe you have.....respectfully said.
Again, Pod.....this is the reason you should go to the Cool Edit forum,....you simply will not get the correct, EXPERIENCED responses unless you do!!
Pod....best you take all CEP questions over there.
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Thanks for the insight. I really have never used the software, just screen shots from older version of CEP. They DID miss something though - 24 bit. :)

I disagree with not POD not getting EXPERIENCED responses, while I may not be providing them for this issue, others can provide them here.

I don't think my post was a total waste - if he does upgrade, looking into better options for DAW multi-track software is not a bad idea.
 
warble2 said:
Thanks for the insight. I really have never used the software, just screen shots from older version of CEP. They DID miss something though - 24 bit. :)

I disagree with not POD not getting EXPERIENCED responses, while I may not be providing them for this issue, others can provide them here.

I don't think my post was a total waste - if he does upgrade, looking into better options for DAW multi-track software is not a bad idea.
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I should add you to my buddy list...you appear to be very reasonable....I'm sorry for appearing to be...well, you know.
But there is no loss in not having the 24 bit option box in CEP...you have the 32bit option.
Regards,
Superspit.
 
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thanx for your help guys. Ive got a pretty sick mix goin on now and premaster. So whats DAW mean anyway? My next thing to buy is prolly studio monitors. Check out my thread in the mp3 mixing board. Titled "opinions and tips for my premaster" or somethin like that. Im gona post my new mix tonight. Also can someone expalin what 44.100 khz means and whats the best to use for a mix to be mastered?
 
superspit said:
NY......you've got to be joking man?
You can not be serious? I have never heard such tripe!! (Unless you ARE joking?)
Superspit.
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No joke, you laid a good one on me there, sorry. I didn't know that CEP was actually recording software. However, I still believe it's a waste of space to record in 32 bit, though that may not be too much a concern these days.
 
well ya ur right, 32 bit slows my computer down like a turtle man. haha. o well it sounds good.
 
superspit said:
I should add you to my buddy list...you appear to be very reasonable....I'm sorry for appearing to be...well, you know.
But there is no loss in not having the 24 bit option box in CEP...you have the 32bit option.
Regards,
Superspit.
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I try to be reasonable and if wrong, I'll admit it.

Again, I have to say that not having 24 bit is something missing IMO. Seems to me that most other audio apps have it, why not CEP? I hate to be a "bits-ch" about it, but it doesn't make sense to me. Just out of curiosity, if you have a 24 bit audio file - format not mattering for this point - will it load properly in CEP? What does CEP do with it? I'm guessing that you can open them, just not record at the bit rate, correct?

BUT, in all honesty, I don't care either because I don't use CEP, and don't have future plans to either.
 
warble2 said:
I try to be reasonable and if wrong, I'll admit it.

Again, I have to say that not having 24 bit is something missing IMO. Seems to me that most other audio apps have it, why not CEP? I hate to be a "bits-ch" about it, but it doesn't make sense to me. Just out of curiosity, if you have a 24 bit audio file - format not mattering for this point - will it load properly in CEP? What does CEP do with it? I'm guessing that you can open them, just not record at the bit rate, correct?

BUT, in all honesty, I don't care either because I don't use CEP, and don't have future plans to either.
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24 bit? They will run, no problem. Cool edit will 'adjust' the 'floating point' operations (depending on your settings) to suit. There's no loss/gain in quality, if 32 bit was selected. It will appear as a seamless transition.
I guess that CEP will playback a 24bit file exactly how you recorded it, the extra bits will be used for math, or not at all.

ie. (taken from a help file within CEP 2.1)

32-bit

Choose this setting to create a waveform that lets you work at the 32-bit level. One benefit of 32-bit audio is more precise audio processing, plus the ability to take advantage of the power in sound cards that go beyond the 16-bit standard (such as a 24-bit card). Press the Options button in the Edit View’s File > Save As dialog to access 32-bit options.

I'm sure someone could expalin it a lot better/clearer and more consice than I can.

But Warble, if you don't care.....
 
it just seems stupid to even offer a 32bit option. 24 bit should give you a waay big enough dynamic range..i mean who needs more than 144dB of dynamic range? it doesn't make sense. 32bit would give a DR of something around 200dB which is just crazy. it's also a memory and power hog...

of course there is much use for over-sampling when it comes to DSP, as the extra wordlength does allow for more exact signal processing, thus the introduction of 32 and 63bit floating-point engines..


EDIT: also remember if you're bouncing down from 32bit to 16bit to put on to a cd to DITHER the signal!! when changing wordlength (downwards of course) dither is pretty much the most important thing you can do. what noise shape you use is up to what sounds good to your ears, but dithering is EXTREMELY important!!
 
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MessianicDreams said:
it just seems stupid to even offer a 32bit option. 24 bit should give you a waay big enough dynamic range..i mean who needs more than 144dB of dynamic range? it doesn't make sense. 32bit would give a DR of something around 200dB which is just crazy. it's also a memory and power hog...

of course there is much use for over-sampling when it comes to DSP, as the extra wordlength does allow for more exact signal processing, thus the introduction of 32 and 63bit floating-point engines..


EDIT: also remember if you're bouncing down from 32bit to 16bit to put on to a cd to DITHER the signal!! when changing wordlength (downwards of course) dither is pretty much the most important thing you can do. what noise shape you use is up to what sounds good to your ears, but dithering is EXTREMELY important!!
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Hi MD....very good points....really is a can of worms isn't it!!?

What Dither Depth do you tend to use MDreams, (or anyone else when 'going down'( :) )...also, what noise shaping function do you use.?...
Is this something YOU do on a song to song basis, or set as a 'global' setting?

(ps...I tend to use a setting value of 0.50 Dither Depth and a 44.1K shaping curve when going to the 16bit CD standard.)

Really interested in what settings you guys use!!
Kindest Regards,
Superspit.................and thanx go to TelePaul!!
 
superspit said:
Hi MD....very good points....really is a can of worms isn't it!!?

What Dither Depth do you tend to use MDreams, (or anyone else when 'going down'( :) )...also, what noise shaping function do you use.?...
Is this something YOU do on a song to song basis, or set as a 'global' setting?

(ps...I tend to use a setting value of 0.50 Dither Depth and a 44.1K shaping curve when going to the 16bit CD standard.)

Really interested in what settings you guys use!!
Kindest Regards,
Superspit.................and thanx go to TelePaul!!
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well i use POW-r dither, which doesn't allow you set a "dither depth". Not really sure what that would relate to either, as dither is just a low-level random noise signal. what it does is randomly generate "voltage" signals (easier to think of it that way) between say -0.5 and 0.5, so that it averages out to be 0. what this does is push up and volume which is going to find itself in the LSBs (Least Significant Bit), which would get trunkated when going down to 16bit. so this imporves low-level resolution whilst, on average, not changing the signal.

As for noise shaping, this is how the dither algorithm spreads out the noise in the frequency-spectrum, and generally what it does is push the noise into the least sensitives parts of the human hearing. i generally use "a-type" as it sounds less intrusive to me, but to be honest it's really hard to tell. I sometimes wonder whether i'm just imagining things, i've done a/b tests and i *think* i can hear...

pod--->Not sure how you'd go about this in CEP, but the way i do it in PT is either bounce the track as a multiple-mono file *without changing the bitdepth* and then re-import it, do whatever *mastering* needs doing, and then put dither on the track as an insert.

Alternatively, you can put dither on as an insert over your "master" track. this will do the same thing. Don't dither if you're not changing bitdepth. Don't change the bitdepth (and so dither) any more times than is absolutely necessary. Remember - dither is actually adding noise to your track, so the less number of times you do this the better.
 
MessianicDreams said:
well i use POW-r dither, which doesn't allow you set a "dither depth". Not really sure what that would relate to either, as dither is just a low-level random noise signal. what it does is randomly generate "voltage" signals (easier to think of it that way) between say -0.5 and 0.5, so that it averages out to be 0. what this does is push up and volume which is going to find itself in the LSBs (Least Significant Bit), which would get trunkated when going down to 16bit. so this imporves low-level resolution whilst, on average, not changing the signal.

As for noise shaping, this is how the dither algorithm spreads out the noise in the frequency-spectrum, and generally what it does is push the noise into the least sensitives parts of the human hearing. i generally use "a-type" as it sounds less intrusive to me, but to be honest it's really hard to tell. I sometimes wonder whether i'm just imagining things, i've done a/b tests and i *think* i can hear...

pod--->Not sure how you'd go about this in CEP, but the way i do it in PT is either bounce the track as a multiple-mono file *without changing the bitdepth* and then re-import it, do whatever *mastering* needs doing, and then put dither on the track as an insert.

Hi POD!!!....I hope you're taking notes......if u need to know how to use dither/shaping etc. within CEP.....again, I suggest,....go to the Cool Edit Forum!!.....You should thank MD for that general overview too!! (As I am!!)
Regards,
Superspit.
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haha i def. am takin note of all this. Thanx MD that helped a big amount. So whats a multiple mono file and why is it used? thanks
 
No point in recording in 32-bit if you only have 24-bit converters.

So whats a multiple mono file and why is it used? thanks
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What do you mean a multiple mono file?

If you mean a mono recording doubled into a stereo file (both L and R channels are the same) then, it's pointless and just wastes space.

You can apply stereo effects (like reverb, etc.) on a mono file and have the output be stereo, or duplicate the mono track, pan one to the left, and one to the right, for stereo effects, without wasting disk space.
 
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