Wharfedale Diamond Pro Monitors

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noisedude said:
Garry's in his thirties :)
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Well I was once ;) Also I'm a freelance writer, speaker and consultant, spend most of the rare moments when I am not asleep in front of the PC, not wearing a suit :)

PS all the amp questions - I am really not qualified to answer. drummerdude i am pretty sure that if you upgrade to the Wharfies you'll notice a huge improvement, you will hear a lot more, probably the next step after that would be to go to a flat reference amp, but IMHO ears and room become a bigger factor.

I remember John Scrip was asked by Wharfedale to check out the 9's for monitoring, I think he was quite positive.
 
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wharfedale IAG

fernandoesmaron said:
CoolCat i am from germany and it wasn´t easy to understand the long article with my school english. I have the same problem here too and don´t understand all. As example i had to look in my dictionary to understand your last posting right. :eek:
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fernandoesmaron-
People in the US have to use a dictionary to read my posts too! :)
I apologize and will try to write clearly. Your comment made me laugh, at myself..thanks.

short:
1) The article you posted was interesting.
2) I have a friend that has a Masters degree in Physics and enjoys Home Theater and Audio.
2a)the sound of Yellow Kevlar is no different than Black Kevlar.
2b) the important factor with Kevlar is the: thickness and weave.
3) after years of useage, even the Kevlar weave will loosen and may sound slightly different after the weave loosens.

"proofs in the pudding" is old bullshit- slang.
Example:The real "proof" is when you actually taste the pudding yourself, not someone telling you the pudding tastes great.

8.2a threads had numerous quality control issues. led's blown, tweeters blown, drivers not working, amplifiers crackling, speakers not showing up for 6 months!!! $$spent sending them back for refunds...

So is the IAG article true, in stating their quality control is AWESOME!!????

where's the proof this is true?

proof in the pudding is the threads from people here who actually bought them and listened to them.

i haven't seen anything negative on the passive 8.2.
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Garry Sharp said:
Well I was once ;) Also I'm a freelance writer, speaker and consultant, spend most of the rare moments when I am not asleep in front of the PC, not wearing a suit :)

PS all the amp questions - I am really not qualified to answer. drummerdude i am pretty sure that if you upgrade to the Wharfies you'll notice a huge improvement, you will hear a lot more, probably the next step after that would be to go to a flat reference amp, but IMHO ears and room become a bigger factor.

I remember John Scrip was asked by Wharfedale to check out the 9's for monitoring, I think he was quite positive.
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When you used to have your 'real' age up you were in your late thirties ... :confused:

I still have to look you up and see yo hood sometime - I reckon a summer daytrip to London would be quite good fun, so if you were to be up for it I might just get in touch....?
 
@ COOLCAT

People in the US have to use a dictionary to read your posts too!
haha good joke :D

Especially "proofs in the pudding" & the 3´rd point was not clear for me but now i understand it. Thanks

did find this interesting article from B&W with a lot of infos about kevlar. ( i did read the german version :)

did look yesterday at diamond 9 website and am really interested to hear them now. Best way would be when i buy them and hear them side by side with my active 8.2´s but my sherwood RD-6106R AV receiver isn´t known as an good amp. Ok but it have an TONE DIRECT funktion and i could use them until i buy an hafler TA1600.

200 € for an silver iridium pair diamond 9.2 isn´t much. I also want to know what john scrip is thinking about them.

update:
i will compare my active 8.2 with 9.2 next week and will post here later :o
 
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monitor heads threads

great article. interesting stuff. Kevlar is a wild science.. .
its refreshing to see companys put so much thought and design into their products, like the article stated.

i almost bought 601's or 602??? :confused: ..but they're large cabinets for my small room and would require more distance.
But the further away the speakers get the more the room plays into the picture, as i understand it. and my room is minimally treated with Ethan Winer DIY's traps.

that was my main choices Wharf, York,or B&W. Passive. small, 6.5".
No Wharfs or Yorks to be found locally.
i have no complaints with my choice.

Look forward to your "testdrive" of the Wharfs. Sounds like the 9's are pulling some interest.

fernandoesmaron...your a true gearhead! right on!!!ACTIVE AND PASSIVE!!
i can dig it!!
 
I bought the wharfedale 8.2's a little while back...and immediately put them to use on a new project i was doing. So far...after recording and mixing...i can definately say that i think they are 'real' sounding...not hyped at all......little bass shy...needs a sub for truely accurate 'low' bass representation...but not a big deal. I'm talking 50hz and down.

What i can gauge their sound on is....it's hard to make something sound good on them...they kind of naturally sound like shit...and you can more accurately hear good and bad mixes...very real sounding for a cheaper monitor...they make you work to make something sound good....which is good...cause then it sounds better on all the consumer speakers...and your forced to really use your ears...

I'm pleased. Good job wharfedale.
 
I finally heard a pair of Wharfs in Turnkey last night...i wasn't immpressed. There was nothing bad about them. But A/B against Fostex PM 0.5 and Tannoy Reveal Actives. Both we're better than the Wharfs to my ear anyway.

In the end i got a pair of Fostex PM 0.5s. I've come home and set them up and wow. Words cannot describe the difference. I was listening to Jeff Buckleys Grace andIi can hear 3 more instruments and parts that i'd never heard before. Could do be slightly bassier but i can live with that, and what can you expect for their size!
 
Fair enough! I have to say that my experience of the 8.2As was pretty similar. I always enjoy listening to Grace on a new set of speakers ... can't run out of sonic angles on a beautiful CD like that. :)
 
I might have to go back and ask to try a pair of £29999.99 monitors and put on Grace just so i can hear everything. Then i go to every different store and play every CD I own (about 1800 of them) to make sure i've properlly experienced the music. :cool:

Btw just put on 'Dark Side of The Moon' through the Fostex. SHEESH! It just gets better and better.
 
The word 'war' with an 'f' on the end, followed by the word 'dale'. Two syllables, emphasis on the first.

I should know ... I live in Wharfedale! :)
 
drummerdude666 said:
I might have to go back and ask to try a pair of £29999.99 monitors and put on Grace just so i can hear everything. Then i go to every different store and play every CD I own (about 1800 of them) to make sure i've properlly experienced the music. :cool:
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dang? take those 29999$$$$$ monitors home and crank up Led Zep and see if you can blow them out!!!
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did talk today with an dealer who told me that the new diamond 9 series are much better in every aspect than the old diamonds and the best in their class also beats much more expensive speakers. I didn´t thought that he would speak so good about them, cause he is an high-end dealer with normally much more expensive speakers.

i will listen them ( 9.2 ) with my active 8.2´s this week now.
 
I don't understand

I have been reading this message board for approximately one year and I have read every post concerning the Wharfedales. I have been interested in them for some time, especially after following this post, but I do have a couple questions that I hope you can help clarify because I am unable to audition these monitors. To give you an idea of where I am working from - when I got started, I purchased what I thought would work for me. I am now mixing with a pair of M-Audio DX4 and a Harman Kardon iSub that I have had for many years with my Macs, recording vocals only but mixing multiple tracks. My set up is placed in a small nook that isn't deep at all, with a wall on my immediate left, about five inches of wall on the right, and the right side opens into a room approximately 10X12 with 13 foot ceilings. My monitors will have to be placed near a wall.

I hope you can help with these questions - based on the data that Wharfedale publishes, the 8.2s look to be hyped on the low end while the 8.1s, even with the much smaller woofer, appear to be flatter and more accurate. Is it the case that everyone likes the 8.2s because of what appears to be a hyped low end? Also, do you think that these monitors would be an upgrade from what I am using now, despite my less than stellar accomodations? Thanks for any help you can provide me.
 
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Sirius, I know nothing about the Wharfs, but there are some obvious questions here: how are your mixes translating now? And are you having any problems mixing with what you now have? From my own experience, the answers to these questions provide a good starting point for considering upgrades.

J.
 
jeffree - Thanks for your response and I am sorry for not providing that information before. My mixes are translating fairly well but I don't really trust what I am using now, which may due to reading reviews of how poor of a set up I am currently using. I am, either out of lack of trust in my current set up or because they are poor, having to check multiple locations before I feel satisfied. I have also found that the set up that I am using now is a little bright and that when mixing, I feel that vocals are more forward in the mix than they should be. I am so new at this that it may be due to lack of experience, knowledge, etc. I would just like something that I felt sure of and that I knew would translate well. Perhaps I should stick with my current set up.
 
The 8.2A's are not great monitors.
I've had them for a while now and my Yorkville YSM1P's smoke them in nearly every way. Some points about the Wharfies:

- The low is tubby and muddy and loose. I noticed a 6db peak or so at 116Hz. Small rooms tend to amplify this even more. This peak bothers me so much that when I run these monitors, I EQ it out.
- Low-end extension is fairly poor. The Yorkies go far lower, far tighter, and far flatter. You can't feel the bottom couple octaves. I'd say a properly crossed-over sub is absolutely necessary, but in reality you're just better off with other monitors in the first place.
- The midrange is very pleasant and warm to listen to. I would say that these speakers are, above all else, "vocal speakers." Human voice sounds best on them, and they have the stereo image to place them right smack in an imaginary center. However, their sweetness may not be all that great for mixing on.
- They lack any sort of significant reverb detail.
- The high-end is pretty subdued and extension is only really useful up to like 11Khz. Others have called these speakers bright, and that has not been my experience at all. There is a significant "veil" to the sound, especially cymbals. On other (better) speakers, cymbals in rock/pop mixes sound like they float above the mix in their own space. On the 8.2A's, the cymbals collide with the rest of the mix and most of the "fast metallic" sound is lost. It's also rather difficult to notice sibilance.

The Wharfies are definitely their own thing. With the YSM1P's beside them, they sound like little midrange boxes.
The YSM1P's, BTW, are rather similar in tonality to Genelecs and ADAMs. People here might dissent this but it has definitely been my experience when bringing them into other studios and playing them alongside their nearfields. The Yorkvilles are almost always a pretty close match, the main difference being that Genelecs and ADAMs sound more expensive and don't have the low-mid dip of the YSM1P's. The 8.2A's, on the other hand, are their own thing and don't sound like any real studio monitor I've ever tried.
 
Wharf Actives and York-Actives

bleyrad-

interesting post. you mentioned a few studios etc..
where did you compare the Wharf-Actives and York-Actives? HR or Studio?

what kind of tunes tracking? or mixing?

great monitor post. please elaborate some more details for us gearheads...
 
I think the wharfe's are less forgiving then the Yorkies but I had passives with a shitty amp (Samson servo 260) and never compared them side by side
 
bleyrad said:
The YSM1P's, BTW, are rather similar in tonality to Genelecs and ADAMs.
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I don't think i've ever heard/read someone say that Adams and Genelecs sounds similar. Its usually "Adams Kick the Genelecs azz" or something to that effect...that right there seems a lil suspect but I don't have experience with either so you could be right...
 
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