Third bump in a row (and I apologize, but responses and thanks need to be given...)
Stratomaster Thanks for cueing it up! Yeah, the J-Station tweaked a little bit. Rectified guitar... one set that's bass-heavy, another set treble-heavy and "jigsawed" together with EQ... each of the 4 parts performed separately, heavier stuff panned about 8'oclock & 4, and the treble-stuff inside that. Fuzz guitars were worked in where possible with EQ... panned between the other stuff to keep the melody. And the acoustics fit somewhere in there, too.
(Sorry, actual panning not available right now... since the Macintosh is off and it's bedtime... will provide info later) Thanks for the compliment on the solo... I feel brand new to the guitar, though I've been "trying" to play it for years... exactly how Sam feels
Thanks for the ideas on vocals... and yes... they will be changed up with FX, panning, & 'verb as i get the final guit tracks laid and such. Thanks for listening.
Myx62 Cool! Yeah, progressive drumming in rock is great. Jimmy Chamberlain, dare I say it?, is an influence
and I don't even PLAY the damned things
(yet
) Thanks.
Guernica G, it's so cool to have you respond to this... after that masterpiece you just posted... another highly gifted musician... who makes superior mixes... looking and my messy little mix. Very humbled. You nailed it about the drums, exactly. I wondered if changing them would make it work better many times... but in certain places, it just doesn't seem to work. That 8th note emphasis on the 4 1/2 beat doesn't seem to want to go away
Smashing Pumpkins... damn... very sharp, again. A bass player saying the bass tone is good... unbelievable... thanks
Great idea on manual doubling... certain phrases do need emphasis, and I was having trouble working out where to put more BGVs... some of them... as pointed out by SLuiCe are just too loud. "Presidents of the USA"... good point. Most of there songs used little vox processing, and they rolled off some mid lows, right? Geez... Mike... I'm blushing, here! I'm blushing! (In a good, Jersey accent... having visited Jersey here recently... coincidence?
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jcmm Yeah... that synth is a bit grating... I'm gonna try warming it up a bit. Thanks for the compliments, joel. Glad you liked drums & guits in this thing. The drums were programmed (first, actually, 4 years ago on an Alesis SR-16... then transferred via midi to Cubase). The drumset is a Wizoo 24-bit set, titled something like "Rock Set"... with some tweaked tom tom samples (and some UNTWEAKED ones that cloud up the mix too much). Maybe one of my drummer friends could do some real drums on this in the near future. One of them is a confirmed crackhead and meth user
Thanks again.
B.SABBATH Sam, from a confirmed ass-kicker like yourself, that's just amazing to hear
heh... yeah, that S.P. influence is there. Intentional, actually. Details? J-Station, rectifier setting. IIRC it was S.P. who brought that Mesa Boogie back... reading that in some article how Billy Corgan dug up some old 70's Mesa Boogie head and there it was... now every two-bit nu-metal band has that tone.
A new drum part in the heavy part? The middle part, or the outro? Ok... stuttering... I'm guessing the middle part. You're right... I'll give that a shot.
Wow... someone liked my singing... someone who can sing his ass off liked my singing... I just try to sound like G (Mike), and if it sounds ok, I got lucky
(After 500 takes, hopefully it doesn't suck too much)
muzeman I rock? Yes!!
(Well, I do rock when playing, for instance, Gonzo's or Voxvendor's stuff
) The words to the hook... OMG are they in some important song, and I've ripped it off?
Earlier in the thread there's an explanation on the guits. Thanks for listening, Pete. I look forward to your stuff here.
TripleM Ah, the lone... accidental buddy
(inside joke) I'm a little embarrased about the bass stuff... real bass players like Guernica should have nothing but contempt for guitar players trying to use a pick on a bass
I had to work for a while when writing to come up with a "personality" for the bass, and not just hold up the key with 8th notes. Thanks for the nod. I'll have to look for the "R" problem in the vox (probably on "Lum-beR")... it's intentional sometimes... so people don't think it's "Burn your LOVER to the ground"
But yeah... that could be more natural. Thanks for the critique
I've been away, just because of a self-promise to have something posted by post #500...
I'll be sure to critique your stuff, and everyone's stuff again tomorrow, when the eyes are open and the work is done. Thanks trip.
boydrj Thanks for the listen
Thanks for the comments on my voice. I've been trying to train it, but I'm not to Guernica's level yet
These comments you've made are what I hoped to hear for a FINISHED mix from at least one person, and you've said that about this very rough, unfinished thing. I thank you. Yeah... from now on... this song's nickname is "The Ball Shaving Song"
chrisharris Thanks for the bump, and yeah... the flight was good... actually slept a bit on the plane...
Llarion The jazzinator... cool... good, critical ears coming...
Yeah, some of the eq strangeness is on purpose. I'm actually going to try changing up the low-end roll-off point on vox here and there. Thanks for the comments on the acoustic... recorded x/y with mc012s. Crispy? Interesting. I've heard the mix in about 4 different set ups; in the monitoring room, it sounds fine. On computer speakers it sounds O.K. In that Mitsubishi Galant rental car, it sounded boxy and a tad muffled thruout. Crispy is a curveball. I'll have to really work on it... again... it's just a rough one where attention (mixwise) was only really paid to the outro.
Bingo. You nailed the EQ thing perfectly. Yeah, I rolled off everything on vox from 350 down... definitely wasn't the mic's problem... the AT4047 is a champ. That, again, was temporary... until I get around to detail mixing and "jigsawing" the EQ & mix into place the right way. Since I hadn't put any of the intended FX or reverb on the vox, this was just a quick and dirty way to get them "away" from the bass & guitars.
Yeah... the computer actually messes up some of those drums. Really, one of these days a drummer friend will come thru... I'll have to spring for the cocaine/crystal meth coctail he'll need to jump him up tho
Thanks for the critical ear, and hopefully I can depend on it when I put up a better, more "finished" product. Stick around, and post more stuff! Feedback coming
your way, now!
B.SABBATH (2) This is like a twilight zone episode, but in a good way... if I could have planned out how you would have reacted to this song, it would be exactly the same
Yeah, let the complaints fly man. Hopefully you could find something else that I didn't notice... though this thing is in such a bad need of a real mix I don't believe it. For instance, the intro guitars (fuzz) are not meshing with the intro mix... they sound detached... that intro, fuzz part is way-muffled. The tom toms in the intro are too damned loud. Let the critiques come, man.... I need to get ripped on this
Thanks again, to all who've posted. If I missed you, I'm sorry... just an oversight. No grudges, just very tired
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that this song isn't even PLAYABLE on a traditional do-re-mi musical scale... it's tuned a half step, plus a few cents off-tone....
Any further responses will probably be made by PM (don't want to over-bump this)... and all are deeply appreciated. It just feels awesome to get listened to by actual "musicians" like yourselves. Peace, and good night.
Chad
Thanks gents, and gent-ettes... and thanks for the ton of feedback!
) Yeah, certain parts are too busy... The cymbals do sound pretty nice; thanks. Distorted guits are J-Station, some Rectified... some Fuzz... in varying amounts and mixed to taste. Acoustic is mic'ed with mc012s in stereo, bass is direct thru both the DigiTUBE, and DMP3. The intro guitar and the guitar during verse 1 were amped (clean) into the VS880 4 years ago... mic'ed with a Shure Beta 56. Vocs come from the beatiful, unheralded AT4047, thru the DMP3, into the dbx DDP compressor, then into Cubase VST32. Yup. This is by no means final for the vox, especially. They need variation in panning, EQ, levels... and reverb. Thanks for the listen, man! We should hang out sometime 
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