Want new condensers for drum overheads, acoustic instruments, etc

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I am still using the MXL603s that were my first condenser mic purchase way back in 2001 or so. They have served well but now that I am upgrading the other parts of my recording chain, I want to get something a little nicer. I was considering picking up a pair of the Oktava MC-012s and having them modded by Michael Joly, but it seems that used pairs (not even matched) are fetching surprisingly high prices on eBay, and I'd like to consider some other options.

As I work for a music gear retailer, I'm able to get at-cost pricing on items we carry, so I'd like to get something from my work if possible. Of what we carry, I am considering the Shure KSM141, the KSM137, the SM81, the Sennheiser e914, and the Audio-Technica AT4033. Unfortunately, we don't carry matched pairs of any of these, so that may be a concern...are these mics made to a high enough standard that I could expect similar performance from any two mics? I have heard positive things about all of these mics, with the exception of the e914, about which I really haven't heard anything. I am not so sure I would have any use for the omni pattern on the KSM141--I record in a rehearsal space that is noisy and not acoustically-treated. If the KSM137's performance is roughly equivalent to the performance of the KSM141 in cardioid mode, I would choose the KSM137.

I will be recording either to an RME Fireface 800 or a Tascam ATR-60 1/2" machine. My choices for pres to use with these at the moment are the pres on my old Tascam M320 board, my Presonus Eureka, and the pres on the Fireface. I will be adding other flavors of outboard pre at some point as well. Basically, my goal is to have a complete recording chain that may not be top-quality but will at least be of high enough quality that I won't need to upgrade for some time.
 
If you want to record instruments Oktavas can make really a good job.
SE Electronics 3 matched pair are another pencils to consider.
SE1 and 2 have a worse sound and 4 is an improved 3 with added possibility of exchanging of heads. Because 4 is a new model and still quite expensive maybe 3 can be a good deal for you.
I have a pair of 3 at home and it has nice full sound. The only issue with these chinese mikes are their hyped heights. It works well on instruments like acoustic guitar where you get in record also the top end but vocals recorded by SE3 are hardly usuable.
The nice thing on SE mikes is that you can borrow them to test before buy (I do not know if it is also applied in your country) so I highly recommend you to use this option.
Oktava is on heights more decent so if you do not want to make a mistake take Oktavas.
 
AT4033's are like Swiss army knifes. They sound pretty good at whatever I point them at. I love them on acoustic guitars. Depending on the kit, great overheads too. The two I have aren't a "matched" pair but they sound pretty similar. I've used SM-81's and they're pretty cool as well. Never had the pleasure of useing the other mics you mentioned.
 
I use a combo of the 4033 and a 4040. They sound very good overhead. I'm really looking forward to trying out the tube "pencil" mics from the group buy. They looked to be a great deal at $85 each.
 
Disclaimer: I am a dealer for both Peluso and Red Microphones....

Personally, I would not worry too much about getting a "matched" pair as long as you are buying from a reputable company. Shure has always been pretty solid with their quality control and the KSM series are pretty nice. I personally have never really cared for the AT4033's, but that is likely just a matter of taste. I also would not want sm81's as my primary pair of SD condensors. They have a natural sound that can border on almost dull, at least compared to a lot of newer mics. This is a good thing to have in your arsenal, but I prefer mics that flatter things a little, that help you out;) The Oktava's are actually not bad little mics. I have had bad luck with their clips, and with them sounding different from each other (I have purchased more than 2 dozen) but none of them sounded "bad". Having it modified will probably help that issue as well as buying from a good source. Red Microphones also has a pretty affordable aftermarket LD capsule for the Oktava mk012 that sounds pretty nice. I like having the options on my Oktava's.

Some other SD condensors that you could look at..... AKG 451's are a pretty solid option. I have 4 vintage ones and 2 newer ones and I love both. Josephson makes some great sounding SD condensors as well. Lately I have not used my 451's as much though since I picked up a couple of stereo pairs of the Peluso CMC6's. I have heard some people say they are kind of bright, but I have not had a problem there. What I like about them is that the lows stay very rich where a lot of SD condensors lose them a bit. If they had just a little less top end they would remind a lot of the older Neumann KM84's, which is one of my favorite SD condensors of all that I have tried. The stereo kit does come with shockmounts and a case which is nice, and different patterned capsules can be added later:)
 
Thanks to everyone who's responded so far...

fova, I am trying to avoid Chinese mics this time. I've been down that route, and I have some decent Chinese mics that have served me well for the stage I was in at the time, but now I want to step up to the next level.

Track Rat, what is the nature of the AT4033's sound?

xstatic, what specifically is it that you don't like about AT4033s? I've heard they can be overly bright; is that what you've found? I've seen that Red capsule for the MK-012, and that is a pretty cool notion. I have a friend who swears by his Josephson C42s, and another friend who loves his AKG 451s, but unfortunately my work doesn't carry those, and if I can find something we carry that I like I stand to save myself $300-$400 compared to buying retail, or even used. I hear what you're saying on the Shures...I'm sort of leaning toward the KSMs at this point. Between the 141 and the 137, I would probably not opt to spend the extra money on the omni pattern that I would seldom use (plus I've read that the 137 sounds more open on top) unless anybody can think of a reason that's a bad idea.

I'm still open to other suggestions however...
 
Track Rat, what is the nature of the AT4033's sound?

The best description I can think of is wooly. Not to say they don't have top end, they have plenty. Also they have TONS of gain.
 
Oh, one more option I'm considering: the Violet Designs Gold Finger. Since it's so new it's hard to find much info, but I did find some positive reviews out there on the net.
 
I have always found the 4033's to have a stringent or harsh top end. Not that they are a bad mic, but I would not use them on something that may already have alot of top end. I do like the Josephson's, but the 22's really are much nicer. Send me a PM if you want a price on the Red or Peluso stuff:)
 
I have always found the 4033's to have a stringent or harsh top end.

Yup yup. You are not likely going to be happy going from MXL603's as overheads to 4033's as overheads; they are both harsh as drum overheads. I like the 4033 for male vocals, though, and sometimes acou guitar when you want it to cut through a busy mix.
 
Audio Technica Pro37

Hi,

The Pro37 and the Pro37r are the same microphone. They are excellent for overheads and acoustic instruments. Also not too pricey. $80-$100 used.

Thanks,

Hairy Larry
 
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