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David Hooper said:
What path are you on?
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... put out records on my own label, tour extensively, network with likeminded artists, and do this with as little contact with the corporate music industry as possible.

David Hooper said:
As far as answering questions or giving advice, isn't that what this post is?
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... yes and no, it's a bit grey area. why not just give advice or post little articles on these threads. for example, there's a guy who goes by manning1 on this forum who has practically written a book on recording tips on his posts for newbies on this site. stuff like that, without promoting a personal site or service. if everyone even remotely promoted their own band, studio, audio company, whatever, it would get ridiculous. that's just my take, for what it's worth.
peace - jv
 
"As far as answering questions or giving advice, isn't that what this post is?"


No, this thread is just another shameless self-promotion by the King Of The Bottom Feeders.


Like the new website, Davey. Slick as a greased pig! Not catching much with the old bait, eh?:D




Bowling Alley Asshole, Esq.
 
ChristopherM

Maybe it's just my computer, but your website link fucked my computer over baaaaddd!!! LOL

I went to it, and it was just a blank page, that said "done" in the bottom corne, but no matter what I did, I couldn't shut it down, I even right clicked it on the windows bottom toolbar and then selected "close" and it wouldn't close, then my entire computer locked up and I was totally dead in the water and had to reboot, it's NEVER done that before.

Maybe i'm missing something, and it very well could be my computer, but you might wanna check that out.. I've NEVER had that happen before, and now it's fine, as long as I don't go to your link... :eek:

Very strange.


Anyone else have that happen with that link?

Joe
 
johneeeveee said:
... put out records on my own label, tour extensively, network with likeminded artists, and do this with as little contact with the corporate music industry as possible.
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That's usually the path that I recommend to artists. Check out www.indiebiz.com because it talks about how most of our artists are like this.

But in the end, the path that artists pick is their option. Some people want to get a major label deal, and if that is their goal, we help them out with that.

johneeeveee said:
... yes and no, it's a bit grey area. why not just give advice or post little articles on these threads. for example, there's a guy who goes by manning1 on this forum who has practically written a book on recording tips on his posts for newbies on this site. stuff like that, without promoting a personal site or service. if everyone even remotely promoted their own band, studio, audio company, whatever, it would get ridiculous. that's just my take, for what it's worth.
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Read my posts, and if you look between the posts where Bob tries to be funny and insult me, and you'll see that I do exactly this in a lot of situations.
 
Buffalo Bob said:
No, this thread is just another shameless self-promotion by the King Of The Bottom Feeders.
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Bob, you're needed on Lane 11. A ball got stuck and the machine can't reset the pins.
 
This makes for more interesting reading.:D



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ArtistPro Publishing Alleges Copyright Infringement in Lawsuit Filed in US Federal Court against David Hooper, IndieBiz.com and MusicBizBooks.com
Contact: Mike Lawson 707-554-1935, ext. 11

(Vallejo, CA) April 3, 2002 - In a lawsuit filed April 2, 2002 in the United States District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee, music industry print and video publisher ArtistPro alleges that David Hooper, who owns and operates the websites IndieBiz.com, MusicBizBooks.com, and Kathode Ray Music, illegally copied, re-packaged, claimed a new copyright to and distributed a music business contract library as his own original work that was originally published and copyrighted by ArtistPro in book and software form as The Complete Music Business Office.

In addition, ArtistPro alleges that Hooper made each of the files in the contract library individually available for paying subscribers to his other website, IndieBiz.com, and as of April 2, 2002 still used the same advertisement within the IndieBiz.com website detailing the contract library access as a feature and benefit of joining the subscription-based website.

The Complete Music Business Office has been in print under the MixBooks imprint since 1997, and was previously published as The Entertainment Source Library in software form and registered with the US Copyright Office in 1991. The book is available internationally in book and music instrument retail stores as well as dozens of Internet sites that sell products distributed by Hal Leonard Corporation (Milwaukee, WI), ArtistPro’s exclusive book and video distributor.

ArtistPro claims to have discovered in January 2002 that the legal library contents of The Complete Music Business Office’s CD-ROM had been repackaged and sold as an e-book titled KR Music Business Contract Library on Hooper’s MusicBizBooks.com website after purchasing the title from the site.

ArtistPro additionally claims to have discovered the other alleged violations of the work’s hundreds of pages of copyrighted materials on IndieBiz.com after the book’s author Greg Forest purchased a one-month subscription to the site, then reviewed and printed each page containing the allegedly infringed documents.

“The review of Mr. Hooper’s website and eBook title leads us to believe he used our work verbatim, right down to the exact same typos found in our software version of the contract library sold with The Complete Music Business Office,” states ArtistPro publisher and president Mike Lawson, “ArtistPro Publishing is sending a clear message that we cannot allow anyone to do what we believe to be wholesale, intentional infringement of our works without repercussions.”

The lawsuit alleges Hooper, who is also listed as a corporate officer and Director of Promotions for the Nashville New Music Conference, is in violation of United States Code 17 Section 106, which gives ArtistPro exclusive rights to reproduce the copyrighted works, prepare derivative works based on the copyrighted works, distribute copies and publicly display copies. In addition, the lawsuit alleges criminal violations of United States Code 17 Section 506 by Hooper’s alleged placement of a notice of copyright on ArtistPro’s copyrighted works with fraudulent intent of claiming it as his work in distributing the KR Music Business Contract Library.

It also alleges willful copyright infringement by Hooper for continuing to display and sell the works in question after demand was made to cease and desist by ArtistPro. The suit seeks to have Hooper permanently enjoined from falsely representing ArtistPro’s publications as his own, the impoundment and destroying of any computer files or hard copies related to the infringement, a complete accounting of all who either purchased the eBook or viewed the pages containing the allegedly infringed works, unspecified punitive damages, court costs and attorney’s fees as allowed by United States Code 17 Section 504 and by United States Code 17 Section 505.

ArtistPro Publishing is an operation of Artistpro.com, a California Limited Liability Company formed in March 2000 to create and manage traditional and new media publishing properties for the professional music and audio industry. ArtistPro Publishing produces ArtistPro Magazine, plus titles published under the MixBooks, EMBooks, MixVideo, ArtistPro Video/DVD, ProAudio Press, ProMusic Press and Recording Industry Sourcebook imprints.
 
I think the key word is "alleges."

Why don't you call Mike Lawson and see how this turned out?
 
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ChristopherM

Maybe it's just my computer, but your website link fucked my computer over baaaaddd!!! LOL

I went to it, and it was just a blank page, that said "done" in the bottom corne, but no matter what I did, I couldn't shut it down, I even right clicked it on the windows bottom toolbar and then selected "close" and it wouldn't close, then my entire computer locked up and I was totally dead in the water and had to reboot, it's NEVER done that before.

Maybe i'm missing something, and it very well could be my computer, but you might wanna check that out.. I've NEVER had that happen before, and now it's fine, as long as I don't go to your link... :eek:

Very strange.


Anyone else have that happen with that link?

Joe
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My site gets loads of hits due to my shameless self-promotion, I've tried it on several computers both back in Albuquerque and now in Bakersfield, and I have lots of friends and family who check it frequently. This is the first time I've ever heard of anyone having this happen. A simple "view source" on a working computer will reveal some very simple, innocuous html. I think it's a fluke. Did you try it more than once?
 
Man oh man. I figured this topic was dead and stopped reading... but, it looks like things have gotten pretty crazy since I last read here.

I think the main idea that would be nice to get across is that we're not working with a zero-sum game. Basically, that means that David's gain isn't anyone elses loss and vice versa. He can be very successful and you could still all be exactly where you are, or he could be right where he is as everyone else makes a million bucks in the next year. They're not dependent on each other. So, there's no need to get jealous or even a little bit emotionally involved about his successes or failures if it has nothing to do with your business.

I hope David does well at his business because, well, why not? It doesn't affect me at all, unless we decide to do business together, in which case I hope he does really well! I hope you all do well, except the ones who have been on here giving people a hard time-- you can fail without me putting up too much of a fight.

As for my "mastering" studio... it's not something I've ever pushed on anyone here to use. I don't think I've even posted a link to the site on here because you're obviously not my market. I work with primarily punk and hardcore bands, some hiphop, some indie/folk stuff... but, all artists who know exactly what I'm all about and how I can help them. I'm really really happy with what I'm doing, and that's enough. If it's not "mastering" to you, simply don't ask me to work on your record. That's fair, no?

Arguements on the internet are stale and boring, so mark this as my attempt to stop the madness. Let's all go back to doing what we do best, which is hopefully working on records.
 
“As for my "mastering" studio... it's not something I've ever pushed on anyone here to use.”

Really? Allow me to refresh your memory……………………….

http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109132

“I like it. It's really well put together, and I get where you're coming from. I'd actually love to master this record if you don't have anyone lined up for that yet.”


There are some REAL ME’s on this board, and they NEVER solicit business in such a crass way. And, they’re not “mastering” on this:
 

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Rockin. Yeah, I did like that guy's sound and figured I'd get involved because he seemed like a nice guy who was just trying to get started. I was talking to that guy specifically, not the entire board. I would have emailed him, but I couldn't find his email address.

Haha. It's really good that I'm not running this business to impress guys like you, eh? Like I said before, I really like what I do. My clients like what I do. It has nothing to do with you, really. I'm not really sure why you've made such an effort to get involved with how I do what I do. I have a list of business goals for the next year and fortunately "impress this guy on the home recording boards" isn't one of them... so, sorry about that.

Bruce Mau said in his "Incomplete Manifesto for Growth":

"Creativity is not device dependent"
and "If you don't know where to start? Start anywhere".

I do my best to live by both these rules when I'm doing what I do. Call it not a "real ME" or whatever you want... it doesn't affect my daily life at all.

I'm pretty sure this is my last message in this thread... so, continue to harass me with that in mind. If you have a geniuine concern, call me. My number is on that site you frequent so often.
 
So, this fabrication thing of yours is compulsive, eh?

"Yeah, I did like that guy's sound and figured I'd get involved because he seemed like a nice guy who was just trying to get started. I was talking to that guy specifically, not the entire board. I would have emailed him, but I couldn't find his email address."

That's odd. The guy has a PM box, as well as a Soundclick site with a Contact link. "couldn't find his e-mail"? You found his song to "review", right? Did you look at the bottom of his post?


I'm not 'harassing' you, Mr. M.E. I just enjoy switching on the lights to stir up the roaches.:D
 
David Hooper said:
That's usually the path that I recommend to artists. Check out www.indiebiz.com because it talks about how most of our artists are like this.

... i checked out your site, and and if i may be honest here, it read like a late night infomercial. music is art and i am uncomfortable with putting so much emphasis on sell, sell , sell. yes, there are basic things we must know as independent artists, but at the end of the day, it's about creating the best music we can, with as little compromise toward the art as possible.
if you build it, they will come.
peace- jv
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johneeeveee said:
... i checked out your site, and and if i may be honest here, it read like a late night infomercial. music is art and i am uncomfortable with putting so much emphasis on sell, sell , sell. yes, there are basic things we must know as independent artists, but at the end of the day, it's about creating the best music we can, with as little compromise toward the art as possible.
if you build it, they will come.
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That's fine. What we do is not for everybody.

Unfortunately, just building it is no guarantee anybody will come. How many good artists have you heard that never made it out of their local bar?

Music is art, but if you want to make a living doing it, you have to start thinking about people want to purchase.
 
Here at Starmaker, what we do IS FOR EVERYBODY!!! (your money is as green as the next guy!)
We've been spamming Web sites since 1992, and have worked with some of the best unknown loser musicians in the US and Canada.
Don't settle for some fly-by-night outfit! Go with Starmaker- The Masters Of Gorilla Marketing!


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David Hooper said:
That's fine. What we do is not for everybody.

Unfortunately, just building it is no guarantee anybody will come. How many good artists have you heard that never made it out of their local bar?

Music is art, but if you want to make a living doing it, you have to start thinking about people want to purchase.
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... that's cool david, i may have come off too judgemental, and that wasn't my intention. i guess i was just making a statement on the state of the industry in general.
i do make a living at making music, and without gearing my sound toward any demographic, or what will sell. actually, i would probably lose the loyal audience i have if i started to look at things that way. there are definitely folks out there that are looking under rocks to find new stuff to listen to. i hear from them everyday. yes, it is a lot of hard work to bring it to the people, but those are invaluable dues to be payed, and only make us stronger as artists. i personally feel that the approach one takes to promote oneself should be no less artistic, and reflect the individuality of the artist.
good artists that never make it out of their local bar, have pretty much made that choice. with hard work and perseverence, any worthwhile music will find it's audience, big or small.
peace - jv
 
If you're bringing in people and making a living, you must be doing something right.

What is your web site? Would like to find out more about you.
 
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