Wall Accoustical Foam

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It seems an awfully noble idea, but I have to agree, the prices don't seem much better than Auralex. For example, you can get this $99 Home Studio Pack that comes with 24 sq. ft. of foam wedge panels, 9 diffusors, and adhesive. I don't know jack about the foam/plastics industry, but it seems to me that something so simple couldn't possibly cost much to produce. If your prices were more in line with what I imagine your costs are, or just significantly lower than Auralex, then you'd have something.
 
Still trying to work with my boss on to cut the cost. He wants to charge too much for labor, since this isnt a major automotive job, Im having a hard time in bringing down the price, but im still trying.

On what I figured it out to be would be around $11.00 a pc. So that would be $88.00 for 60 sq ft. Thats my goal.

John
 
How's the foam coming?

Man if you could lower the price just $15-$20 then I'd buy a sheet or two to test it out, and it it worked as well as some ''Name brands'' then I'd freaking outfit my whole studio in your foam. I don't give a do do about what color it is. my only concern is the gluing together of the pieces. If each tile is not one piece and there is plastic or rubbery glue between the triangfles and a base plane of foam, then that rubber will certainly have an adverse effect on the wave absorbing quality of the pannel. So if I had a sheet in front of me to test out then I'd be able to put my mind at rest about that. But I live in Munich Germany and if there is a $15 domestic postage charge, then to Germany would be about $30 at least. So with that fee, I'd be foolish to buy your tiles when I could get some name brand stuff cheaper here.

I shure as hell would love to have some ''grass-roots'' home made tiles in my studio. I am not so keen on having a name brand studio from wall to wall (literally). I know a lot of guys out here in Munich and with the advent of these newer PC and Mac Digital Audio Workstations and their inherant hard drive whurrrr noise and the need for some good sound booth acoustic tiles to bring out the beauty of the new lines of affordable high quality condenser vocal mics coming out, (Like the Rode NTK beauty that I picked up over the weekend). There wóuld be a guaranteed 3 orders being placed with you, if the price could be dropped at least $15.

I have ordered a catalog from www.studiospares.com in the UK and when it comes in, if there isn't any change in your prices then I will have to order some of their ''off brand'' tiles. i think they are made in a similar fashion as yours, meaning, some guy in England is doing it rather than a million dollar company. But their prices are lower than yours and they are right around the corner so to speak.

What do you think? Still trying? Or have you given up on lowering the prices?

Very interested,
Mike
 
Hi John,

Could you clarify the shipping costs? Are you saying it costs about $15 per box of 2 pieces to ship? (Therefore, 16 pieces = 8 boxes x $15 = $120 in shipping plus $240 for the foam?) I apologize if this is a stupid question; I'm just trying to get a realistic idea of delivered cost to rural northern California. I wonder, for instance, if four or eight boxes could be taped together and sent as a largish unit to lower shipping costs? I know UPS has size restrictions, but weight wouldn't be a problem, that's for sure.

Thank you for all your efforts on everyone's behalf! I realize this is purely a labor of love for you.

Best wishes,

Mark H.
 
Mark H.

Hi, thanks for the inquire. Shipping would be more like around $15-20 an 8pc kit to ship to somewhere like California. So instead of the cost being $136.00 it would be around $156.00 shipped.

Also to whoever is still interested in this. I am now working on a price for a kit that you can at home put together to cut the labor cost down to almost nothing.

The base of the foam would have adhesive on it with release paper. You would then take off the paper and apply the triangles to the main foam base.

The cost will be really cheap and it really wouldnt take much time in doing this.

I am going over with the project with my manager today and will post an updated price list with the kits not assembled. And also I am putting together small samples to send to whoever is seriously interested in this.

Thank you. And I am not in it for the money, just to serve the small recording buff like myself.

Sincerely,
John
 
Hey SD. Ive been and still am interested. Just waiting for the price to come down some. :)
 
man that sounds Great!!!

Honestly,

if you can hook up something like that and you are willing to send me a sample (not free of course, but at a "single piece price") and I can stick the stuff together myself... then man... You are looking at a damn gold mine as far as I am concerned. Even if the shit doesn't work as well as the name brands... the grass roots quality alone will make you a damn household name in home recording. But if the price stays anywhere near the name brands, then your ''labor of love'' will unfortunately not make it far past the Michigan border, sorry to say. But man. I am interested enugh to place a damn order as soon as you throw a sample (self assembly) together. I am still interested in the whole industrial glue type shit. I am thinking that the glue is probably so reflective that the back sheet of foam is un-necessary because it will all be reflected back by the glue sheet. The name guys are made of solid sheets of foam cut into the triangle patterns.

But hell... I am all about giving it a go. Post up AS SOON as you can arrange something with your boss.

Where do you work by the way? Do you guys make the foam in the seats of cars?

Mike
 
Hi John,

I'm a big fan of that do it yourself idea. If you can get that pushed through, I'll probably buy enough to outfit my whole room. I'd love to replace the cardboard and blankets I've got up everywhere...

Thanks for continuing to try and bring the price down.

Chris
 
I requoted the project today with basically no assembly labor. And the price is considerably less. I think my boss is seeing that this could be a good thing.

I have developed a durable wall foam and just to let everyone know that the adhesive is professionally laminated onto the base of the foam. It looks just like if you pulled away a sticker. The glued is evenly spread onto it. And its very strong. So the concerns of the glue showing and effecting the foam should be low. The two samples I have made were put together rather fast and I cant find a spot where glue is showing.

So tommorrow I will have an all new price sheet for unassembled wall foam with complete instructions. I am also going to produce a few samples about 5" x 5" squares just so everyone can see exactly how the glue works and adheres. And the type of foam.

Thank you.

John


PS I work for a company called Pedmic Converting, Inc. A automotive and packaging company in the thumb area of Michigan.
And the foam thats in car seats in a lot different than that for accoustics. Car seats use an Ether type of foam and the type that I am using for accousitcs is an Ester. Just a little FYI.
 
product testers

yes as with any new product you will need someone to test it. i purchased aurelex foam from Guitar center a couple of days before xmas. i purchased 8 sheets that look similar to what you have. the sheets where 4 feet long and like 2 feet across. i cut all the sheets in half and they are covering each wall but not entirely.


my dimensions are 9 feet high and 12 feet across in a room with 4 walls with one glass window.

i paid $20 a sheet for this stuff. i was gogint to buy that mars kit but teh guy actually talked me into not buying it.


if you can send me one or two sheets and i try it out and like the results i will buy enough from you to treat my new mic room(actually a closet that im clearing out)


let me know


czar


anothervictem@hotmail.com
 
product testers

yes as with any new product you will need someone to test it. i purchased aurelex foam from Guitar center a couple of days before xmas. i purchased 8 sheets that look similar to what you have. the sheets where 4 feet long and like 2 feet across. i cut all the sheets in half and they are covering each wall but not entirely.


my dimensions are 9 feet high and 12 feet across in a room with 4 walls with one glass window.

i paid $20 a sheet for this stuff. i was gogint to buy that mars kit but teh guy actually talked me into not buying it.


if you can send me one or two sheets and i try it out and like the results i will buy enough from you to treat my new mic room(actually a closet that im clearing out)


let me know


czar


anothervictem@hotmail.com
 
I think everyone is missing the whole point of my project here. We provide packaging and automotive parts, not wall foam. This is a project that the company has never seen before. It is my design with the same foam as the other acoustic foams you buy at the stores.

Sorry, but its just not possible to give away 2 full sheets for testing. Sounds like a good idea, but in cost I cant afford to give that much away to every guy who wanted to test it. I am still working out the issues of making this foam into a kit so people at home can put it together, and have something that works at half or less the cost. Fact, it wont look as good as Auralex, but I am trying to serve the people that are in my boat, not the top studio guy. I live in a apartment and hopefully will have a house soon with a basement. Im not worried on how pristine the foam looks, but will it kill and dampen the sound. Yes. And also, with the picture I have provided, I dont think it really looks all that bad.

I thank everyone for being patient, but my job here has to come first and the wall foam 2nd. But I am working on it every chance I can and hopefully we will come up with something that works well and is easy to put together.

Our testing now is that if a person applied the foam triangles themselves, is that enough pressure to hold sufficiently. Because we have a process that after the triangles are applied, they are ran through 2 rollers to really squish the two pieces together and permanently put them in place.

But if we find that human pressure will be enough, then we are good to go. And people have to understand how good the adhesive is. Once you put the triangle in place on the glue, its there. So laying the first piece is crucial, but after that one, they all go in line.

Thanks to all,

John

Sondriven
 
I like your idea. Being in Michigan myself I would gladly p/u. Anyway let me know how things go and would like to see that price list.
 
We provide packaging and automotive parts, not wall foam.
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ok so this new product that you are trying to sell what is it? is it not "wall foam"???


This is a project that the company has never seen before. It is my design with the same foam as the other acoustic foams you buy at the stores.
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which is why you should TEST MARKET the product BEFORE you ship it out.


also some people might NOT want adhesive on the foam. when you buy aurelex foam and you get the spray adhesive it tells you to spray LIGHTLY on ONE side of the surface if you want to take the foam down and relocate it. however if your stuff can be taken down and relocated thats a GOOD thing.


later bro.


czar
 
Okay, I think this is getting a tad bit too confusing.

Yes, its wall foam. No, its not our main product. I meant to say is that we are not manufacturing this at the time being.

The adhesive part of the project isnt for applying the foam to the wall. The adhesive is on the base of the foam. Then a person would take the triangle piece of foam and apply it to the base. Note the picture.

The base will have a layer of adhesive on it, with a release paper over it so the glue does not dry out. When a person receives the kit, they peal the paper off, exposing the glue, then apply the triangles one at a time. What you do with them at this point is up to you. If you want to go and buy extra adhesive and put them on your walls thats fine. Personally I dont have that option. (my landlord would kill me) So I put 4 small nails to tack them up. Its kinda nice, the nails sink into the foam and you dont even see them and it doesnt wreck the walls.

I have samples here in my small studio and the foam has made a difference. I dont really need to test it beyond that. I know it works and will help to dampen noise within small spaces. Its going to be as cheap as possible. And I am going to have a bunch of 4" a 4" samples made up to send to people who want to see how well the adhesive works and the type of foam.

Thanks

John
 
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