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Hi all...

I don't know if I'm posting this question in the right forum but here it goes:

I have been recording rap vocals for over a year now and I have a problem... My vocals don't seem "large" enough... Like... Listen to an acapella by Mobb Deep... They usually have only one voice but it sounds large!!!

How do they get that "large sound"??? Does the microphone really changes something in that equation or is it with the use of effects???

I'm using a StudioProjects C-1 thru a VTB-1 thru a RNC Compressor then into my computer (My soundcard sucks... SoundBlaster Audigy Platinum (Is that the problem???)). Then it goes into Samplitude 6.0 and I put the TrueVerb effect on the voice (TrueVerb is a plugin in the Waves Gold Bundle)

Anyone can help me?

Peace,
Beathoven

Peace,
Beathoven
 
Beathoven said:
Hi all...

I don't know if I'm posting this question in the right forum but here it goes:

I have been recording rap vocals for over a year now and I have a problem... My vocals don't seem "large" enough... Like... Listen to an acapella by Mobb Deep... They usually have only one voice but it sounds large!!!

How do they get that "large sound"??? Does the microphone really changes something in that equation or is it with the use of effects???

I'm using a StudioProjects C-1 thru a VTB-1 thru a RNC Compressor then into my computer (My soundcard sucks... SoundBlaster Audigy Platinum (Is that the problem???)). Then it goes into Samplitude 6.0 and I put the TrueVerb effect on the voice (TrueVerb is a plugin in the Waves Gold Bundle)

Anyone can help me?

Peace,
Beathoven

Peace,
Beathoven
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Damn,
And I though the C1>VTB-1 would give you this. I just ordered a V67 to attempt the same goal. Im sure the RNC is not the problem. Do you do any EQ on the vocal pre or post mix? Just curious. Im hoping that its the sound card.. Not to jinx you or nothing,, I have the same card but only use the digital outs for softsynths. Hey,, also make sure that you dont have any of that EAX crap turned on,, as well as any of that surround sound stuff.

I want you to get this to working,, there are many factors that can contribute to this,, but lets see if we can get it with our tools. It may even be 2 mics being used. More than likely,, it's those expensive @ss mics and micpres.

Malcolm
 
No, the EAX isn't turned on and none of that crap...

I EQ the vocals but however I tweak'em, it's never *THAT* large sound...

I'm recording my vocals mono by the way...

Peace,
Beathoven
 
Beathoven said:
No, the EAX isn't turned on and none of that crap...

I EQ the vocals but however I tweak'em, it's never *THAT* large sound...

I'm recording my vocals mono by the way...

Peace,
Beathoven
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Mono is cool,
When you EQ, what do you normally do,, just a general idea. And Yep,, Havoc and Prodigy do have some strong sounding vocals. I am after the same thing,, just waiting on a few new mics I ordered. What settings are you using on the RNC,, someone else can input on this one.

Malcolm
 
Use more compression and cut the bass to allow you to bring up the level more. You could also try a touch of distortion. You might try a dynamic mic and see if that helps because you can really get on them without distorting or popping like a condensor does. Use dynamic mics for loud and powerfull and use condensors for detail and clarity.
 
without hearing a track, hears a suggestion- you may be hittin that compressor to hard try to back it off, or eliminate it (as a test) I real nice compressor doesnt gauranty a great sound..if its not set proporly or isnt necisary in the first place. I compressor squashes the dynamics of sound and is a perfectly ligit processor IF the situation warrants. try to compress After you track (with the software) if you compress while you record youre stuck with it- in the puter theres alway undo- also try eq-ing (after tracking) and boost the mids a bit- this is the presence range and will give the "illusion" that the source is a bit closer

just some thoughts- good luck-

-jeff
 
just a thought

try the mid-side micing technique, or a tube mic if you havn't already. and a nice dynamic mic might help out when you are really close to it, it boosts the lows (proximity effect).

see if sub-mixing the track with aux returns in the computer will fatten them up.

in case it helps
 
I'll agree with PTJ - make sure you are using plenty of proximity effect which will make the vocals "explode" out of the speakers. Eat the mic!
 
C1 to VTB1 (Keep the tube sat at lowest setting) to RNC (set the Threshold to -5, 3:1 ratio, .2 attack, .3 release, 0 Gain, hit the Super Nice switch. Record vocal.

After the track is recorded then put plugins on the track as follows:
Limiter - set the limiter around -15 to -20
EQ roll off below 100Hz

Put a multiband across the stereo buss. Take the middle band and put it at around 2.1 compression with attack at the lowest setting and release around 100.

This is a general starting point. This will get you fat. The EQ and slight adjustments will be required to sit in the mix.

This is for a male voice baritone with moderate transient technique. EQ and compression will vary with the vocal talent.
 
Wow! Thank you middleman!

Thanks to everyone who answered! Keep on posting guys!

Beathoven
 
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