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(Throws down popcorn bowl)

Ok, mgraffeo, nobody insults my Hyundai :mad:

So your saying just because I've never driven a Lexus, I can't tell the difference between a good ride and a bad ride. This is just arrogance.:D
 
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mgraffeo said:
I don't think that there are too many reviews which say that the mic is indistinguishable from a U87.
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Various quotes about the C1 from Pete Leoni and Ted Perlman at prorec.com (two of the "golden-eared pro's" that Alan cites as authorities):

"You’ve got to get over here to NAMM and hear this mic! It’s only $299.00 and it’s exactly like a U87"

"There it was, next to a Neumann U87. Peggi, Pete, Alan, and myself put on the headphones and Peggi started singing into the 87. Awesome, that classic Neumann sound that is heard on probably 90% of the records ever made. She then moved over to the C1 and sang into that. EXACTLY the same, no difference. We were all amazed."

On the same site, Rip Rowan also says that he has heard from "...countless individuals that you can’t tell the difference between the C1 and the Neumann U87.", although he acknowledges that he never actually listened to the two together.
 
Middleman said:
(Throws down popcorn bowl)

Ok, mgraffeo, nobody insults my Hyundai :mad:

So your saying just because I've never driven a Lexus, I can't tell the difference between a good ride and a bad ride. This is just arrogance.
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That's funny!
:D
 
What's this? Aw shit.

Alan makes one of his grand appearances, spews a bunch of crap out of his mouth, mocks potential customers and threatens them with violence . . .

And I wasn't even in the middle of it?

I need to be on my toes more.
 
chessrock said:
What's this? Aw shit.

Alan makes one of his grand appearances, spews a bunch of crap out of his mouth, mocks potential customers and threatens them with violence . . .

And I wasn't even in the middle of it?

I need to be on my toes more.
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Sad isn't it? Losing your fastball... not a pretty sight...
 
Man , Sorry i even asked......Alan dont get into no trouble at least until i get one of your Stephen Paul mics ! :)

Bostonfan2
 
I must humbly admit that, without an expert engineer to guide me
as far as their professional evalutation of a microphone, I can tell if a microphone sounds "good" or brighter/darker on a given voice.
Descriminating between fine points of how USUABLE a given microphone's sound will be in the final mix, however, is much more challenging for anyone. My acapella vocal recordings of others lately have surpassed at least one local project studio, but the more I learn, the more respect is garnered for the top pros for
their knowledge of microphone placement, etc., especially when you have all those guitars and drums screwing everything up. :)

In a sense, Alan and Jordan, you're both "right".
Jordan I'm sure you DO have a fine ear for hearing differences between microphones. And I know Alan well enough to understand where he is coming from, and should you ever meet, you may even have a good laugh together. He's a "good guy", however, as I've said before, not my first pick to handle nuclear weapon's diplomacy. Better at pressing the button though. D)
The C1/U87 comparison reminds me of "who did you think was hotter, Ginger or Mary Ann?". Prefer Mary Ann BTW.

Chris
 
jslator said:
Various quotes about the C1 from Pete Leoni and Ted Perlman at prorec.com (two of the "golden-eared pro's" that Alan cites as authorities):

..."There it was, next to a Neumann U87. Peggi, Pete, Alan, and myself put on the headphones and Peggi started singing into the 87. Awesome, that classic Neumann sound that is heard on probably 90% of the records ever made. She then moved over to the C1 and sang into that. EXACTLY the same, no difference. We were all amazed."...
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Comparisons are nearly always inevitable. If one had to choose a 'reference' mic to make a comparison with then, like 'em or not, the U87 has been an industry stalwart for the last thirty years, so then it is not unreasonable to use that as a reference.

I have no problem with someone saying they prefer the sound of a C1 over a U87 or anything else for that matter... in fact there are situations where I'd possibly use a C1 over a U87. However to claim that they are EXACTLY the same is, quite frankly, either misguided, mistaken or someone is having a 'leg pull'!.

Unless of course they were using an unrepresentative sample of a U87... or a C1. ;)

If I'd gone out and bought a C1 because of that claim... then I'd be pretty cheesed off! However it's a $200 mic.. NOT a $2000 mic!

Plenty of people obviously do like the C1 because they have bought them in droves and I haven't seen much in the way of negative posts from those regretting their purchase. That, in itself, must mean something. So hats off to Alan. Some may criticise him for waving the Studio Projects flag on many recording forums... not just this one, however no one can accuse him of not keeping his finger on the pulse of opinion... either good or bad.

IMO Studio Projects have raised the bar somewhat at the 'affordable' end of the market. That's not to completely discount some of the other budget manufacturers, but it appears by desiging their own products and maintaining control over quality assurance etc. that SP's seem to be making more of an effort to establish themselves as a serious contender in the project studio market. Sure Alan has a vested interest in this... he want's us to buy his products... BUT, if we don't like what we hear then NO SALE!

Reviews and testimonals are a sales tool that most companies use to help market their products. How many companies post negative reviews of their products?? Of course the negative ones are always weeded out. So already the process is somewhat skewed. For me, inaccurate positive reviews do more damage than good. While the 'C1 sounding exactly like a U87' testimonial obviously won't hurt sales to the 'uninitated' sector of the market, it's inevitable that it will draw some raised eyebrows from the more experienced end of the market.

I haven't ever heard Alan himself claiming it sounds like a U87.

Anyway the bottom line is if you like the C1... buy it! If you don't like it... don't buy it! But DON'T base your decision on the basis of someone's 'dubious' claim that it sounds like a U87.

..... because it DON'T!!

P.S. If this is indictive of Mr Leoni's reviews then I'm afraid he will be relegated to my 'ignore' list in the future.
 
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OK jslator. I've read this thread, and your outburst with Alan was just stupid. What he said may have upset you, but he never called you any names. However we decide to express ourselves, calling someone a "prick" is unacceptable. Then, he says, "If you called me that to my face I'd punch you." This, to me, seems a very reasonable thing to say, especially since you initiated the name calling. Then, the only thing you can counter with is that he threatened to punch you. In other words, you act uncivilized and you expect people to just take it.
 
I, too, have read all the posts. Thought I'd chime in with my one cent...

Although I've never been in the same room as a U87, I do own a C1. I think everyone agrees that it's a fine microphone, certainly for its price. But try as I might, it won't make my voice sound like John Lennon's voice! And my 12-string guitar doesn't sound like Leo Kottke's!

I'm just thankful that I'm able to use all of this great new technology. My recordings sound SO much better than I could have dreamed five or ten years ago.

I also picked up a B1 two months ago and that, too, is a very good mic. I"m really, really pleased with it.


Alan...you've got a great product. It's kind of pointless for you to get into it with guys like jslator.

Jslator...your posts are pretty irritating to read. Why do you have to be so hostile? Isn't there enough crap to worry about in this world?
 
I read the entire thread also - I get the feeling jslator is jealous of Alan for some reason.
 
Not that I'm one to get in the middle of pissing matches or anything :D :D but to Coming, Bob, and Bad, it still surprizes me to see the state of denial some of you are in. Now I realize posts can be taken one of several ways, but from a reasonable person's interperatation, Alan instigated this mess. This was the post that prompted Jslator to rightfully call Alan a prick:

Are you a working studio engineer with hits under your belt, or are you a project studio owner in a basement that has more experience than those hit makers in their professional studios who earn their living from recording?

Please post your credits so everyone here knows where you are coming from.

Now if some of you guys would get your heads out of Alan's ass long enough, you might actually be able to get those rose-colored glasses off and see some of Alan's posts for what they really are: defensive, self-righteous, condescending remarks from someone who could really benefit from a little tact (How many so-called "hits" does Alan have to his credit, anyway?)

I'll admit I don't always practice the most restraint, but then I'm not a business owner with an image to uphold. But I've been in the business world long enought to know that pricks come in all shapes and sizes . . . a prick is a prick, and if it looks like one, walks like one, and acts like one . . . then guess what?
 
Look Jet . . . no offense or anything, but I can list off several hitmakers who will tell you that I'm not a prick. :D Now untill you post some credentials . . . ie resume, album credits, etc etc . . . then I'm afraid you are simply not qualified to distinguish a prick from a non-prick (not to mention tree-hugging hippie nationalists like C7). :D So get to work and churn out some hits! If you need help, I've got a Chinese-assembled Joobo-Jizzmonger that sounds just like a Neumann U87 and I'll sell it to you for $100. :D
 
I'll wager that I'm in a little bit of trouble then.

The gutter punk of my youth hardly qualifies me as a 'high-fidelity' hit-maker. (And even the non-hitmakers that I know would probably be split on whether or not I'm a prick.)

One of those Jizz monger jobbies might be just the trick, to spray through the mix!

-Jett
 
You know, if Harvey did not know that people would compare the C-1 to the U-87 when he set up that display, he is an idiot. While he can seem defensive and arrogant sometimes (so can I, so I am not flaming here), he does not strike me as being stupid.

Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
I think you mean Alan, not Harvey.

*Just clarifying*

Beezoboy
 
Some people seem to get me confused with Alan, but it's really easy to tell us apart, if you just remember this one simple rule:

I'm better looking than Alan.
 
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