Tusq vs Fossilized Mammoth Ivory Saddles

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cantthinkofname said:
this is like Tesla and whatshisname arguing about AC and DC, do you get my drift? they are equal but not equal in the slightest
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Not familiar with that debate but this one is about accepted science vs opinion and one persons observations. Is that one the same thing?
 
muttley600 said:
Actually you're correct. You can't make sense out of clear concise posts. how the heck are you going to make any sense out of that one.

Good day by the way. Hows your day been?
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You are wrong again.
VP
 
muttley600 said:
Not familiar with that debate but this one is about accepted science vs opinion and one persons observations. Is that one the same thing?
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No, the Tesla/Edison/Westinghouse struggle was over whether AC or DC power distribution would become the standard. It was more like the VHS/Betamax debate.
 
ggunn said:
No, the Tesla/Edison/Westinghouse struggle was over whether AC or DC power distribution would become the standard. It was more like the VHS/Betamax debate.
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Ah I'm with you now. We just kind of stuck with 240v ac. Didn't know we could have had a row over it.:o
 
Violent5 said:
Well for me the jury is still out. I suspect the material plays a role (hence the original experiment) and a difference can be heard in the recordings I made. It's subtle but its there. There is no doubt the tusq has a muddier, bassier quality while the ivory has more clarity, less bass and not muddy at all. I had both saddles swapped in and out many times over a couple of days and I could clearly hear they sounded different so I decided to record both. I should note all my buddies prefer the tusq while only I prefer the fossilized ivory. But this was only one experiment on one guitar with just two materials. Thats why I said listen if want and make your own conclusions. No big deal.

That said a previous poster mentions cut and fit and I'm certain these factors do effect tone. I'm sure poorly cut nuts and saddles (string slot sizes, shape, height) change tone but I'm still trying to figure it all out myself.
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Thanks for your interesting information.
VP
 
muttley600 said:
Ah I'm with you now. We just kind of stuck with 240v ac. Didn't know we could have had a row over it.:o
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Actually, 240VAC is only used for very short runs. Long range transmission voltages are much, much higher. One reason that AC won out was although DC losses at high voltages are less than AC; AC works with transformers and DC doesn't, so voltage and current conversions are easier.
 
cantthinkofname said:
your more familiar with it than you realize
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OK I'll take your word for that. I know how it all works but I didn't know we had to have a row about it first. Never had to involve myself in the nit picking bits as long as stuff works when I plug it in that's good for me.;)
 
muttley600 said:
OK I'll take your word for that. I know how it all works but I didn't know we had to have a row about it first. Never had to involve myself in the nit picking bits as long as stuff works when I plug it in that's good for me.;)
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You may not realize it, but you are fortunate with your 240vac over there.
VP
 
Victory Pete said:
It is balanced, unlike 120v in the US. Also you can get twice as much power out of the same size circuit here.
VP
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European standards are indeed 240VAC (and 50Hz), but it's not balanced any more than it is here; they use single phase power (one hot conductor and one neutral) for household current, just like we do. Perhaps you are thinking of 240 split phase power (two 120VAC lines 180 degrees apart), which is what major household appliances use here in the US, which is totally different, and balanced, sort of. Actually, it's not the power which is balanced or not, it's the loads.

It's true that the current for a given power load is twice for a 120VAC circuit than it is for a 240VAC circuit and therefore takes a larger conductor, but that's no big deal; you just look up the conductor ampacity values in the NEC2008 code and size your wiring accordingly.
 
ggunn said:
...that's no big deal; you just look up the conductor ampacity values in the NEC2008 code and size your wiring accordingly.
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Not so fast, Slick. I can hear the difference. All your fancy science can't deny what my ears are hearing.


lou
 
ggunn said:
European standards are indeed 240VAC (and 50Hz), but it's not balanced any more than it is here; they use single phase power (one hot conductor and one neutral) for household current, just like we do. Perhaps you are thinking of 240 split phase power (two 120VAC lines 180 degrees apart), which is what major household appliances use here in the US, which is totally different, and balanced, sort of. Actually, it's not the power which is balanced or not, it's the loads.

It's true that the current for a given power load is twice for a 120VAC circuit than it is for a 240VAC circuit and therefore takes a larger conductor, but that's no big deal; you just look up the conductor ampacity values in the NEC2008 code and size your wiring accordingly.
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Are you sure they have a grounded conductor? By the way a grounded conductor is not always a nuetral, It is only a nuetral when it is in a 3 wire split phase circuit. Right, our 240v 3 wire circuits here, Dryer and electric range are balanced. I met an Electrician from Europe and he said they have 2 120v phase conductors with respect to a ground. which would be balanced. The power is what is balanced, not the loads, you might be thinking of a well laid out panelboard that has minumum neutral current. Balanced power is also called Symetrical power, that is what the NEC calls it. I will look into this.

VP
 
muttley600 said:
Good stuff. After all these years and many many instrument under my belt I still get a buzz of anticipation every time I string a guitar up for the first time. I think that has to do with the anticipation. A bit like when you first let you kids ride a bike of take them to school, or send them off to college. You worry but when it turns out right you get an immense sense of satisfaction and pride.

Good luck with the next build and share it here if you have the time. I'm sure many would be interested and be able to offer encouragement even if they can't add support or help.

Good luck with it.
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