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Gizzmo0815
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Glenn we all know your generation is much better than ours. You remind us daily. I doubt your long and bitter posts are going to change how any of us younger people feel. It's also completely off topic! You picked one random unrelated question to answer in a thread about how to RECORD guitar, and used it as a pulpit to, once again, lay out all your grumpy thoughts about the horrible tastes of everyone who was born after 1980.
Why are you trying so hard to derail the poor OP's thread? It really just seems like you're trying to pick a fight with the "net 2.0 generation" you obviously feel so cantankerous about. You said it yourself, not all opinions are created equal...that's including yours. Taste is subjective...if the generations after yours like fewer guitar solos because they have a short attention span and dull hearing from too many video games at loud volume...you're just going to have to live with it
I know you'll have a well laid out counter point to this, which will surely be designed to put me in my place and further outline your point. But frankly...it's all a bit tiring. I know it's nearly unbearable for you to hang around with all of us tasteless, musical slow-children, but maybe try not to be so full of piss about it.
Break break...
To the OP,
In your original title you said "tracking guitars, the logical way". If you're looking for a formula for how to make rock guitars sound good, or big, or any of the other descriptive terms we audio folks love to use, the only logical answer is to use your ears. It's tired, it's old fashioned, it's boring, but it's still the absolute best advice anyone could give you. I'm sure that doesn't help much...(though it should help LOTS).
I think one of the main problems people come across is that they think they HAVE to do something fancy to make guitar sound good. Sure by itself a solo guitar might need all kinds of things to make it sound the way it does on radio or T.V. but a guitar by itself is completely out of context. Very often the sound of the solo guitar from a processed song sounds wimpy by itself. It's the way the other parts of the music work WITH the guitar that make it sound "big".
I think that a lot of people simply make the process too freaking complicated (most likely it has something to do with the fact that our generations are never satisfied with a few plugins, and we just want more and more, Glenn can fill you in on the sociological history behind that ;-)). Without knowing what the whole song needs to sound like it's nearly impossible to figure out how the guitar should sound. That's why we love to tell people not to record with effects and all kinds of fancy stuff on the line before it hits the DAW (if you're using a DAW). That way you can shape the sound the way you need to. It's one of the primary benefits of digital recording. But making those decisions before the song is written ... is really difficult.
Write the song first...get a draft to solidify the idea...then figure out the specifics on the sounds. Go with your instinct, and if it sounds good, it's good!
Why are you trying so hard to derail the poor OP's thread? It really just seems like you're trying to pick a fight with the "net 2.0 generation" you obviously feel so cantankerous about. You said it yourself, not all opinions are created equal...that's including yours. Taste is subjective...if the generations after yours like fewer guitar solos because they have a short attention span and dull hearing from too many video games at loud volume...you're just going to have to live with it
I know you'll have a well laid out counter point to this, which will surely be designed to put me in my place and further outline your point. But frankly...it's all a bit tiring. I know it's nearly unbearable for you to hang around with all of us tasteless, musical slow-children, but maybe try not to be so full of piss about it.
Break break...
To the OP,
In your original title you said "tracking guitars, the logical way". If you're looking for a formula for how to make rock guitars sound good, or big, or any of the other descriptive terms we audio folks love to use, the only logical answer is to use your ears. It's tired, it's old fashioned, it's boring, but it's still the absolute best advice anyone could give you. I'm sure that doesn't help much...(though it should help LOTS).
I think one of the main problems people come across is that they think they HAVE to do something fancy to make guitar sound good. Sure by itself a solo guitar might need all kinds of things to make it sound the way it does on radio or T.V. but a guitar by itself is completely out of context. Very often the sound of the solo guitar from a processed song sounds wimpy by itself. It's the way the other parts of the music work WITH the guitar that make it sound "big".
I think that a lot of people simply make the process too freaking complicated (most likely it has something to do with the fact that our generations are never satisfied with a few plugins, and we just want more and more, Glenn can fill you in on the sociological history behind that ;-)). Without knowing what the whole song needs to sound like it's nearly impossible to figure out how the guitar should sound. That's why we love to tell people not to record with effects and all kinds of fancy stuff on the line before it hits the DAW (if you're using a DAW). That way you can shape the sound the way you need to. It's one of the primary benefits of digital recording. But making those decisions before the song is written ... is really difficult.
Write the song first...get a draft to solidify the idea...then figure out the specifics on the sounds. Go with your instinct, and if it sounds good, it's good!
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Greg_L
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at least he quit trying a year ago.
Yup, but the point still stands. SSG is a freaking goof.
Gizzmo0815
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True...I didn't check the dates...but this post was at the top of the thread pile for some reason when I came into the recording forum...I don't know why...either way...My comments still stand!! 
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Greg_L
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If you poke around his big steaming piles of pompous bullshit with a stick, SSG sometimes makes some pretty good points and seems to share whatever knowledge he has, so he aint all bad.
ez_willis
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someone voted in the poll.
and will be true a year from now. no doubt.
Gizzmo0815
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Yup...dude knows his stuff.
He's like a REALLY GREAT sandwich shop. You know the type...the one with the really good deli selections and fresh baked bread...and he's the owner. The grumpy, pissed off, angry guy behind the counter. You just want a sandwich...but you're scared you might pronounce "Gyro" wrong and get kicked out of the store for good.
He's like a REALLY GREAT sandwich shop. You know the type...the one with the really good deli selections and fresh baked bread...and he's the owner. The grumpy, pissed off, angry guy behind the counter. You just want a sandwich...but you're scared you might pronounce "Gyro" wrong and get kicked out of the store for good.
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Greg_L
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Yup...dude knows his stuff.
He's like a REALLY GREAT sandwich shop. You know the type...the one with the really good deli selections and fresh baked bread...and he's the owner. The grumpy, pissed off, angry guy behind the counter. You just want a sandwich...but you're scared you might pronounce "Gyro" wrong and get kicked out of the store for good.
No soup for you!
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RAMI
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Come back...ONE YEAR!!!!
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
Which part of "age has nothing to do with it" - except in your own head - and how many different ways of trying to explain that are necessary before you actually get off your ass and actually research what "Net2.0" actually means?
Your post is the prime example of what I am actually cantankerous about; people who have no idea what they are actually talking about, who have no real grasp of the subject, no experience, no learning, no nothing but a freakin' ego, ready to shoot off their opinions on a hair trigger to anybody unlucky enough to be in the line of sight. Whther they are 7 or 70 is irrelevant. And God only forbid that those with the actual answers actually disagree with those who don't, lest they be labeled as elitist, cantankerous, establishment bastards who hate children.
If you folks did a little more reading and a lot less writing about subjects of which you really do not know, this world would be a better place.
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grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
Well, quieter maybe.
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RAMI
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I was at the bookstore the other day, reading a magazine. The clerk said to me "Hey!!! This is not a library!!!" So, I said "OK!!! I WILL TALK LOUDER THEN!!!".
Gizzmo0815
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You're so uppity it's hilarious! You have no idea who I am, or what I do and you're telling me to get off my ass and do research? Why don't you just say what you really want to say to everyone who doesn't automatically like what you post: "Shut up and color".
The nearest term is Web 2.0 and it doesn't mean anything. It's just a phrase that people throw around to describe any new trend on the internet (or apparently sociology now as well
). It is literally a trend in an of itself. By the general original use of the term was as a descriptor of internet technology based on information sharing, user centered programming and interoperability (with a secondary subtext concerning general web design aesthetics), but since the time it was first used the term has taken on so many different meanings and contexts that it's been rendered obsolete already. The only other thing I can think that's related to the term "Net 2.0" in the context you use it might be "Generation Y" or possibly the "Net Generation"...which is much more easy to understand in this context. I don't know...Either way...the funny thing is, the reason these generations exist is because of the generations that preceded them, which I'm assuming includes you. It's the ultimate counterculture to the folks from the 60's and 70's...and it's all happening before your eyes...how horrible for you.
You use"the term (whatever it may be) repeatedly to describe what you perceive to be a change of attitude in generations younger than yourself, which is about the most liberal use of the term I think I've seen so far. I THINK what you're trying to get at is something about how those of us who grew up in the internet age are used to instant gratification in many ways, and that we're somehow to blame for being that way. Maybe you feel like its your duty to address the issue wherever you see it, but honestly, I doubt anyone here cares (except maybe me...which is actually pretty funny...ha!). You come across as though you're blaming people for acting like most people in their generation act...why do you care so much??
It's a common generalization that's levied against generation X and Y and probably Z in the future. It's the same complaint tossed forward from the elders to the youngins of any culture. And yet the world keeps on tickin'. You're a SMART DUDE and yet you don't seem to realize that it's the same old thing. So why keep working so hard to change the attitude?? I just don't understand the motives behind your desire to try and fix this "problem". If it were one or two posts here and there it would be one thing...but it seems like every thread is a chance for you to make a point.
Age has everything to do with it Glenn...you wouldn't be talking about it if you weren't in a position to witness the changes. You wouldn't have even been able to comment on it if you didn't have benefit of time. And you're 100% right about listening to the people that have the answers. But telling us not to talk about the subject until we're experienced enough is freaking ridiculous on an internet home recording forum. Your opinions about the culture of younger musicians and their music is defaulted to negative, and usually comes in the form of a condescending lecture about how the "Net 2.0" culture is ruining "something". Which is such an unprovable, subjective argument to make it's damn near pointless. The trick is that it's always couched in your unequivocal tone and terms to make it seem more valid.
Other than the fact that I didn't pay attention to the dates...my post is sound. And more importantly, I have the exact same right to write it out as you do to point out how wrong I am.
I can't help it if I disagree with your opinions. And most likely you'll just continue to have them, and I'll continue to have mine. Just like everyone else on this forum. And we'll both exercise our right to post about them on the world wide "Net 2.0". Regardless of how much research either of us have done. And I'll bet the world will be neither better nor worse because of it.
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Greg_L
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You're so uppity it's hilarious! You have no idea who I am, or what I do and you're telling me to get off my ass and do research? Why don't you just say what you really want to say to everyone who doesn't automatically like what you post: "Shut up and color".
The nearest term is Web 2.0 and it doesn't mean anything. It's just a phrase that people throw around to describe any new trend on the internet (or apparently sociology now as well
The only other thing I can think that's related to the term "Net 2.0" in the context you use it might be "Generation Y" or possibly the "Net Generation"...which is much more easy to understand in this context. I don't know...Either way...the funny thing is, the reason these generations exist is because of the generations that preceded them, which I'm assuming includes you. It's the ultimate counterculture to the folks from the 60's and 70's...and it's all happening before your eyes...how horrible for you.
You use"the term (whatever it may be) repeatedly to describe what you perceive to be a change of attitude in generations younger than yourself, which is about the most liberal use of the term I think I've seen so far. I THINK what you're trying to get at is something about how those of us who grew up in the internet age are used to instant gratification in many ways, and that we're somehow to blame for being that way. Maybe you feel like its your duty to address the issue wherever you see it, but honestly, I doubt anyone here cares (except maybe me...which is actually pretty funny...ha!). You come across as though you're blaming people for acting like most people in their generation act...why do you care so much??
It's a common generalization that's levied against generation X and Y and probably Z in the future. It's the same complaint tossed forward from the elders to the youngins of any culture. And yet the world keeps on tickin'. You're a SMART DUDE and yet you don't seem to realize that it's the same old thing. So why keep working so hard to change the attitude?? I just don't understand the motives behind your desire to try and fix this "problem". If it were one or two posts here and there it would be one thing...but it seems like every thread is a chance for you to make a point.
Age has everything to do with it Glenn...you wouldn't be talking about it if you weren't in a position to witness the changes. You wouldn't have even been able to comment on it if you didn't have benefit of time. And you're 100% right about listening to the people that have the answers. But telling us not to talk about the subject until we're experienced enough is freaking ridiculous on an internet home recording forum. Your opinions about the culture of younger musicians and their music is defaulted to negative, and usually comes in the form of a condescending lecture about how the "Net 2.0" culture is ruining "something". Which is such an unprovable, subjective argument to make it's damn near pointless. The trick is that it's always couched in your unequivocal tone and terms to make it seem more valid.
Other than the fact that I didn't pay attention to the dates...my post is sound. And more importantly, I have the exact same right to write it out as you do to point out how wrong I am.
I can't help it if I disagree with your opinions. And most likely you'll just continue to have them, and I'll continue to have mine. Just like everyone else on this forum. And we'll both exercise our right to post about them on the world wide "Net 2.0". Regardless of how much research either of us have done. And I'll bet the world will be neither better nor worse because of it.
Lol. That was crucial. Someone call a doctor for SSG.
mshilarious
Banned
Does this thread have anything to do with modelers yet? No? OK, then I love Pods, they are the logical way to track guitars 
legionserial
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Does this thread have anything to do with modelers yet? No? OK, then I love Pods, they are the logical way to track guitars
Yes, it's logical, but so is living off of a tasteless, nutrient based paste.
DrewPeterson7
Sage of the Order
FWIW, I didn't really take Glen's comments as "my generation is better than yours." I think he raised a few valid points, and then also a few points that were as much taste and current trends as anything, which he seemed to be perfectly aware of as he was raising them.
Considering that whole tangent started off as a discussion between Glen and me, and I wasn't in the least offended by it, I'm having a hard time seeing why it's getting under your skin.
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
See, Drew, you get it because you are not an idiot, and you understand that "home recording" is not an excuse to be an idiot.
Now excuse me while I go Gizmotic and head over to the foot surgeon's BBS and tell all those doctors that they are uppity bastards whose opinions on foot surgery are no more or less valid than mine, even though I know about as much about foot surgery as Greg knows about quietly accepting homosexuality.
The thing about the right to free speech, like any other right, is that the less one treats it with RESPECT, and the more one abuses it, the more it's devalued. When idiots disrespect and abuse it by using it as an excuse to go off half-cocked on subjects about which they know nothing, it's no different than yelling "Fire!" in a movie theater.
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Now excuse me while I go Gizmotic and head over to the foot surgeon's BBS and tell all those doctors that they are uppity bastards whose opinions on foot surgery are no more or less valid than mine, even though I know about as much about foot surgery as Greg knows about quietly accepting homosexuality.
The thing about the right to free speech, like any other right, is that the less one treats it with RESPECT, and the more one abuses it, the more it's devalued. When idiots disrespect and abuse it by using it as an excuse to go off half-cocked on subjects about which they know nothing, it's no different than yelling "Fire!" in a movie theater.
G.
