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This is like one of thos pol-dick-ical threads in the cave...I love it.

BTW djhead, you forgot the best Phoenix dj- Z Trip!
 
djhead said:
So what I said, basically? I never said it doesnt influence, merely said music cannot be held accountable for theactions of its listeners as it is merely an observation.
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Right here:
Music is art. Art conveys and portrays but is never direcly linked to the human condition. It is only a perception of it. That being said how can anyone's creation of sonic input have anything to do with morality?
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I wouldn't even if I thought It did not. All music influences. All art influences. but ther can and should be no accountability or lack of credibility for a genre based on the actions of its disciples. It should be judged as music, and as art. Music is defined as:
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And I disagree that there cannot be accountability. Who says it cannot? You?
If music influences, then it can be accountable for that influence.
 
fraserhutch said:
Right here:




And I disagree that there cannot be accountability. Who says it cannot? You?
If music influences, then it can be accountable for that influence.
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Does the same hold true for violent video games? :)
(sorry for taking this to another direction)

Just curious.
 
fraserhutch said:
Right here:
And I disagree that there cannot be accountability. Who says it cannot? You?
If music influences, then it can be accountable for that influence.
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I will admit that I have confused myself. Only because I re-read what I wrote and get lost. So score one for you ace!
To rephrase, Music is art, which like all art, remarks and communicates the human condition. I see no evidence that would support any sort of morality inherent in art. Maybe comments on the state of morality or the presence of it, but no actual morality inherent in art. My opinion is that it is simply a vessel the artist uses to express themselves, which in essence is a view, and therefore biased, and therefore neither moral nor immoral.

I DO say there cannot be accountability, not that I am anyone special, its just my opinion. It would be wrong to hold artists accountable for the effects there art has on the masses because participation in said art is a choice. Listening to that song, seeing that play, observing that mime, its all a choice. Whether we like it or not, we choose what influences us, be it through need to stay in the status quo, please our eardrums, or sooth our spiritual side. Given that this IS a choice, the blame is soley in the hands of the partaker, not the artist, IMHO.

I think what you are getting at is social responsibility.


Oh yeah, lucky, Ztrip founded BSDJ's with Emile and one other guy, who i forget. Nice guys. Ztrip was the one who started turntable notation. He has his master's in it, i believe.
 
MISTERQCUE said:
Does the same hold true for violent video games? :)
(sorry for taking this to another direction)

Just curious.
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I'm on the fence with video games myself (which is sorta ironic).


However, I personally don't believe that video games wield influence anywhere near the degree that music does.
 
This is not a competition, ace, I don't consider anyone having won any points.....

But I will add that I disagree in that I am of the mind that artists should be aco****able for what they do in the same way that anyone else is. No more, and no less.

As to your assertion that the music and art is merely "remarks abd reflects: the human condition", I would actually argue that it can and does do much more than that. I would postulate that there is indeed morality in art; that morality can be amoral, or it can be moral, but either way, it is present.

Note I am NOT talking responsibility - I am talking about morailty inherent in art. The responsibilty aspect is another discussion altogether.


djhead said:
I will admit that I have confused myself. Only because I re-read what I wrote and get lost. So score one for you ace!
To rephrase, Music is art, which like all art, remarks and communicates the human condition. I see no evidence that would support any sort of morality inherent in art. Maybe comments on the state of morality or the presence of it, but no actual morality inherent in art. My opinion is that it is simply a vessel the artist uses to express themselves, which in essence is a view, and therefore biased, and therefore neither moral nor immoral.

I DO say there cannot be accountability, not that I am anyone special, its just my opinion. It would be wrong to hold artists accountable for the effects there art has on the masses because participation in said art is a choice. Listening to that song, seeing that play, observing that mime, its all a choice. Whether we like it or not, we choose what influences us, be it through need to stay in the status quo, please our eardrums, or sooth our spiritual side. Given that this IS a choice, the blame is soley in the hands of the partaker, not the artist, IMHO.

I think what you are getting at is social responsibility.


Oh yeah, lucky, Ztrip founded BSDJ's with Emile and one other guy, who i forget. Nice guys. Ztrip was the one who started turntable notation. He has his master's in it, i believe.
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nope, i was just admitting sometimes i talk myself in circles, not competing. I think you and I just have different ideas as to what morality is
 
fraserhutch said:
I'm on the fence with video games myself (which is sorta ironic).


However, I personally don't believe that video games wield influence anywhere near the degree that music does.
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My thoughts exactly (kind of).
I don't think either movies, music or video games directly add to violence in society.
Violence has been and will always be. It has not escalated with the introduction of movies, music or video games. They make put an aggressive person in the mood for a little brutality, but not directly shape a person.
Until somebody can show me real empirical, testable evidence violence has increased as a direct result of an increase in the number of movies, music or video games available and an increase in their violent content that's how I'll see it.
 
If music and video games made a difference, all you would need to be very afraid of me....I have all the bad shoot-em-up games, and all the evil music. I would be Soilent Green....
 
Blah, Blah, Blah blabity bla bla bla...

That pretty much sums up this thread minus a couple posts by Q.
 
bigwillz24 said:
Blah, Blah, Blah blabity bla bla bla...

That pretty much sums up this thread minus a couple posts by Q.
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Hey.....I contributed a whole bunch of words here.....you just need to assemble them yourself.... :D
 
Dogman said:
If music and video games made a difference, all you would need to be very afraid of me....I have all the bad shoot-em-up games, and all the evil music. I would be Soilent Green....
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Man i can't lie. I'm on of the nicest people in the world but i like playing Grand Theft Auto 3,Vice City, and San Andreas. Those games have always been fun to me. I'm not endorsing violent games but as long as you don't take notes from the games and try to act them out in real life, i think they're harmless.
 
I've just taken 2 psychology courses, an Anthropology course, a Soc' course and now taking another Soc' course to qualify for a Masters program.
The Data is there but the impact happens at an early age. :(
One example of change-scene changes in a TV show.
Used to be 3-4 scene changes in 10-15 seconds of TV.
Now it's like double or triple and sometimes more. :eek:
The eyes are the most powerful information receptors we have and kids get overloaded way too much and way too easily. :mad:
HSG
 
The Red Chicklet!!!

I see that sweetpea can make off the wall comments but because I countered with similar but opposing commentary I get the red chicklet?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm :confused:
 
Society and videogames

fraserhutch said:
However, I personally don't believe that video games wield influence anywhere near the degree that music does.
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Some guys go crazy with videogames. You know, some thing stick in your brain and make you "bad". Look what happened in Columbine.
 
killthepixel said:
Some guys go crazy with videogames. You know, some thing stick in your brain and make you "bad". Look what happened in Columbine.
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:confused:
You aren't seriously blaming Columbine on video games are you?
 
djhead said:
:confused:
You aren't seriously blaming Columbine on video games are you?
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That's why I ignored that post and said nothing. :confused:
 
Whoa, people do what they wanna do, that's all. You wanna kill something? You go and kill. Don't blame music or videogames.I'm just telling these maniac guys made their own Counter strike battle in Columbine.
 
I'm going to invent a video game called "Bad Parents"!

Then everybody can finally have a video game to blame for everything!
 
the problem is bad parenting.....if they were good parents, why is it that when the police walked into those idiots rooms they found guns all over the place.....when the parents had all the time in the world to go up into the rooms and find that shit. but to say internet, video games, and even tv has nothing to do with it is totally wrong, it has everything to do with it...cause these absent parents are letting video games, internet, and the tv raise their children...and these children act out what they see.
 
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