Think yours is small?

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Cool.... I like in your drawing you included both of my ideas. The only one you included a drum set in was the more "square" setup. I really didn't figure that an area only about five feet wide would be enough to squeeze a drum kit into, so that makes sense to me.

What are the dimensions of your room? Have you had success putting a drum kit in and recording it? What do you do about controlling sound reflections, etc?

Chris
 
here's mine...

Here is roughly what I'm thinking. (see above posts...) This gives me a working/tracking area of roughly 5'10" x 8'8" if I leave the keyboard and table in place. It gives me an area of about 7'3"x8'8" if I take them down when needed. The idea of having the table where it is is that I put my mic pre, compressor, mixer, and Delta44 breakout box all there, and run moderately lengthy cables to the computer and monitoring stuff where the counter top is. With this setup, it is flexible enough to move around the room as needed, or even out through the bifold doors and into the hallway if I need to set something up in the room down the hall. (thereby requiring longer cables...)

Chris
 

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Hello chris, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I've been very busy with "honey can you do this":D Know what I mean?
Have you had success putting a drum kit in and recording it? What do you do about controlling
Good grief no:eek: My wife would...ah ...lets say be not pleased. Ha! Chris, I'm just an old fart musician with a small bedroom studio to keep in touch with music. I will build my real studio next year. This is just using what I have temporarily. I'm not the person to ask the acoustical questions..I make a fool out myself enough as it is. But what I AM going to do is buy some 4" 703 panels and experiment with placement. Did you read my reply above about the patch placement. Apparently, it is true. I asked on another forum yesterday. Soooooo..given the fact that my current room is NOT a true recording environment, what the hell. I am going to go back and search all I can on the subjects of bass traps, slat absobers(or is that slot absorber:D )diffusers and do a bunch of reading, ask some more dumb questions, AND THEN BUILD THEM for cryin out loud. I'm tired of talking about it. Not for here mind you. But I will bring them in this room and see. I CAN tell you this. I AM NOT an experienced person when it comes to this shit. Building yes. Acoustics no. But I learned something 2 months ago. Have you ever heard the term LEDE? It stands for LIVE END DEAD END. It is a principle whereby one end of a room is completely dead(703 or foam) and the other end is live and diffused. A lot of studios used LEDE in the 80's as it was a way to qualify the room with measurment and was certified by a company so clients KNEW it met certain acoustical criteria. At least that was the idea. Apparently, that was only one of many designs. Mr. Sayer has his own qualified opinion regarding this. Anyway, I was invited over to a local studio by the owner who is the moderater on the mic forum here. He goes by RECORDING ENGINEER. Very nice gentleman. So, I go over and walk into his control room and WOW! The sound was incredible. There was none. Transparent as glass. It was f....g amazing. I mean WOW1. Well that did it. I was convinced about 703. The front end of his control room was completely engulfed in fabric covered 4" 703 panels. The front, sidewalls(splayed) and ceiling. Right up paralell to the console. Like LEDE The rear of the room was painted sheetrock, although because of space limitations the rear wall was not symetrical. And this is NOT a critique of his room. I thought it was fantastic. Of course, I'm a nobody and am not qualified to comment on ANYTHING regarding acoustics pro or con. All I know is it was great to me. Beat the shit out of a regular ole bedroom like mine:rolleyes: So all I AM trying to say is JOHN SAYERS is RIGHT ON. Why spend the outragous amount of money they charge for those foam products, when you can get BETTER absorption with a cheaper product. But placement is another animal. Do some reading. Or maybe someone will offer a suggestion here...JOHN, KNIGHTFLY...someone... I hate to say anything cause I AIN"T QUALIFIED!!!
Ok, I've stuck my foot far enough in now.....wait a minute, I have an experiment for you. Go into your room. Sit where your going to sit at the console. Close your eyes.
Have someone walk over to behind you while holding a board about 18" x 24". Standing behind you, have them bring the board slowly around in front of your face left to right.KEEP YOUR EYES CLOSED. What do you hear. Tell me later. You couldn't hear that in the studio I told you about. Because there were NO REFLECTIONS. Reflections are what your ears tell you about the space around you. Go out into a forest and talk. Man, in a forest of pine or fir trees there is vERY LITTLE REFLECTIONS.
Cause of all the absorpsion on the ground and trees from the needles. They act just like 703. Its called(excuse me knightfly) interstises..I think thats it.
fitz
oh btw, my dimensions are 9'2" x 11'3" with regular ole 8' ceilings. Arggggggrrrr!!!
 
Thanks Rick! :D That gives me a great starting point for my research!!

Chris

...yes, I know what you mean about "honey, can you do this...."
 
Hey Rick, Chris - sorry I've been out of touch for a while - my time just seems to dwindle whether I get anything done or not - to help me out some, could each of you re-post your current questions, as succinctly as possible, so I can "cut to the chase" ?

Hopefully that would speed things up for me, as I wouldn't have to sort thru the whole conflab to find the actual questions -

Oh, and BTW Rick, that's spelled "Interstices"...:=)

Before the two of you start, here's a couple of links where I worked thru some acoustic questions similar to some of yours, may help firm up a new and different set of Q's for you -

http://www.recording.org/cgi-local/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000309

http://www.recording.org/cgi-local/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000269

Also, Rick - Your room dimensions couldn't be any better for a room that size - the modal distribution is nearly perfect, it's just a small room. The lowest freq your room will support is 50.2 hZ -

And, in at least partial answer to (both) your questions as to what that means, it simply means that that is the lowest frequency of the longest dimension of the room - in other words, the first harmonic of the frequency that is caused by the wavelength of twice the room dimension.

If you haven't already done so, download my roomtune spreadsheet (ancient history, wrote it about 12 years ago) from ProRec, change your dim's to feet and decimal (in your case, 11.3 x 9.17 x 8) and note the even graduations between various modal frequencies - here's the link, roomtune is a self-extracting file that contains excel and lotus versions of the spreadsheet plus some rudimentary docs - the docs explain the basic use of the sheet, and what you're looking for.

http://www.prorec.com/prorec/downloads.nsf/category

Gotta run for now, both of you read the links, make up a list of questions without a lot of visiting (what fun is that, yecchh!!) and I'll see ya in a couple of daze... Steve
 
Cool:D Will do:D your a gentleman:D
Ok chris, we have our orders:eek: he's the man. Won't get another question answered on this bbs unless we do it. Ha Cool Actualy gonna get off my ass and do something with this stuff.
Thanks for the mode calcs too Steve. I WILL get on top of this.
See ya
fitz
btw, your right Steve , Ethan Winer and Eric Desart, whoa! (see- I be doin shit:p )
This is Ethans response to a question on PROSOUND WEB...
fitz,

(my question) The room is as important as the mic your using or is it?. (that's gotta be a dumb enough statement to give you some fun?) <
(Ethan)
It's not dumb at all, and a lot more people should ask that exact question! I'll go so far as to say the room is probably a lot more important than the mike or gear! (But not more important than the performer or the instrument.)

What’s the point in buying a microphone preamp that’s flat within 1/100th of a dB. when the acoustics in the control room deviate by as much as 20 dB. through the entire bass range? How important are jitter artifacts at -110 dB. when standing waves in the studio cause a huge hole at 80 Hz. right where you placed a mike for the acoustic bass?

Most rooms have this problem and, worse, many studio owners have no idea the response in their room is so skewed!

--Ethan

HOLY MOLY:eek: Now I'm BEGINNING to understand. I think.
 
Sooo, like, was that an EPIPHANY that just flew by, or what?
 
sleep well RICK
Are you fucking kidding me. Had the worst nightmare I've ever had! About big holes in the sound floatin around like ghosts. All of em with big grins like a smiley. Glaring at me. Laughing at me. With an RT-60 of 15 seconds. And there you were John. Pointing a finger at me, like the ghost from Christmas past. And there was my headstone, right there in front of me, lookedlike a big diffuser, beckoning me. And all these formulas floating around like something out of wizard of oz. And their all coming out of your mouth, which was a GIANT smily grin. And another smily floatin around with one of those guns where a flag pops out with ASSHOLE on it. And the wind, that friggin wind, a whirl of 20hz to 18khz howls that disappeared in to gigantic slat absorbers that were 30 storys high. And a big Neuman mic with hands like a fucking alien, on a stand like a snake, with big eyes, looking as though I was dinner, and every once in a while this giant HR page would blow by like a standing wave with every avatar a finger flippin me off. And all of a sudden it all stopped. Like a null. Everything slithered away, like somthin was comin. Something wierd. Something bad. I mean something REAL bad. With this music. Like it was recorded in Hells studio with a 12hz undertone..........AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! It was coming for me. Dressed in all black, leather, lightning bolts and thunder, fire and brimstone, calling me, cursing me, teeth like the devil, eyes like burning diamonds, .......its...its.........


KNIGHTFLY!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOO PLEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSE



Sleep well my ass:D
fitz
 
"And the number of the Beast shall be,
NOT 666, no, 666 is weak, compared to....

SEVEN - OHHH - THURREEE...

Where YE of little absorption shall be ever
doomed to absorb massive quantities of,
not just bass, but FORMULAS and EQUATIONS, in an
ENDLESS "Sabinistic" ritual steeped in pink noise,
shackled by Inverse Square Law, all the while having
your innermost Interstices shredded limb from limb in
an ORGY of Fast Fourier Transforms, until at last you shriek,

NEVERMORE.................
 
:D :D :D :D :D :D

actually I'm at 668 - neighbour of the beast.;)

cheers
John
 
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