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Paj
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uglybassplayer said:
I ordered mine on 8/25 and they haven't even shipped yet.
Paj
8^(
kojdogg
bollocks redux!
mics for the price of a value meal!
i just got my k-micros today (i ordered early in august, but knew i was in for a wait due to the backorder). i know that i'm already well established as unabashed karma fan here, but i'm pretty shocked at how good these sound. you definitely have to watch the gain on your mic pres to avoid clipping, but they have a suprisingly clear, neutral sound that i could see being useful on a lot of sources. i will probably order more once i recover from grabbing a ua m610 off the bay (that will be a funny test-- $5 k-micro through $30 mogami cable into $800 preamp
).
i just got my k-micros today (i ordered early in august, but knew i was in for a wait due to the backorder). i know that i'm already well established as unabashed karma fan here, but i'm pretty shocked at how good these sound. you definitely have to watch the gain on your mic pres to avoid clipping, but they have a suprisingly clear, neutral sound that i could see being useful on a lot of sources. i will probably order more once i recover from grabbing a ua m610 off the bay (that will be a funny test-- $5 k-micro through $30 mogami cable into $800 preamp
).
undergroundtoon
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I agree 100%. 9 times out of 10 when a person splits off from a parent company it starts with this "I am tired of making some other guy rich" "i work my fingers to the bone and get chump change for it" "i should cut out the middle man(my boss) and start my own damn company" "its my bosses fault for not giving me enough money". In other words they are willing to bite the hand that has feed them for their own personal gain.Warhead said:
Its like that "king of the hill" show. when hank and a quick talking salesman are in a run by their boss to see who is top salesman of the month. The smooth talker gets abunch of people to buy more than they need to make quick sales. Hank has a guy come up to him wanting to buy a grill that day. Hank would not let him. Hank said "i want you to take the papers home on the grill and look them over and see if its right for you before you buy". Hank didnt sell a grill all month untill the last day. That guy came back and said "since you wanted to earn my business and cared about me i will take a whole truck load of them".........Hank won the monthly sales and the other guy lost his job.
Respect is the most important part of business. Quick sales at the cost of doing what is right will cause the mistrust and downfall of ANY company(just give it time). Quick sales die out but respect last a lifetime. I will call a peice of shit a peice of shit right to its face. I dont hide behind the internet. that is my real name and my real location. I am in the phone book if anyone wants to find out my address it would only take minutes.
I feel the same way about my cartoon. I would rather fail and be a laughing stock than step on anyones toes and screw people over to get to the top. Fuck it, if i fail, i fail with pride(a lost breed these days). I have got to get up and look myself in the face everyday and i want to like what i see. I wont pimp my cartoon on here and give links to previews or for that matter even anounce the name of it. It has nothing to do with recording and i am here to learn not sell.
warhead you have earned respect from me. that means my next mic will be bought from you and you alone. If i had a worker that split from my company and tried to undersell me and take my business i would have done exactly what sE did but with lots of lawyers. It goes back to that old saying "screw me once shame on you. screw me twice shame on me." I dont give second chances to those people.
I am not here to tell people they should not buy karma. that is their own choice, so feel free to shell out 5 bucks to get that mic if you want it. good for you and your deal on a decent mic. good for you for the ability to get a cheaper deal than me on a similar product. I am also not here to put karma out of business. This is just my opinion and should be read just as that. I will let people make up their own minds about karma. I wish karma the best of luck. if they are here to make a better product for cheaper than sE and not for greed i hope they do, but they dont have my business(not that it matters to anyone in this world but me).
if you want proper spelling and grammer put spell check in the post box. its 2 am and i am to tired. i work 2 jobs for a living (my cartoon and my factory job).
even if karma sent me a free mic i would send it back un opened let alone pay them money.
good day to you both
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MCI2424
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Dot said:
Finally, some new threads can appear like:
"What's the best mic for less than 1$?
Fantastic!
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travelin travis
New member
MCI2424 said:
there up to $5 now. damn george bush.
kojdogg
bollocks redux!
Robert,
I don't know you either, but I respect your opinion, your willingness to state it and can relate to the struggle (as many here can) of balancing a day job with what I'd really be doing (music). My real name is in my website url on my user profile (I have no idea how to customize my banner line there) and I live in Mohegan Lake, NY (Westchester sounds a little cooler to me I guess and people always think I live by the casino when I tell them the name of the town).
I don't think this is a case of 'good guy' vs 'bad guy,' which is why I was careful to state my sincere respect for Warren, but rather of incomplete information and, as Warren noted, different perspectives. I really hate the practice of "newbie" bashing and I have seen Warren guide many people on this board and others through recording and gear purchases completely in good faith. His reviews on mojo pie of gear and tips on the mb's have helped me at times and I have great respect for him, so I really hate being in disagreement with him on this issue. Also, from what I know, which again, is limited, I don't think this is a case of a child company splitting off from a parent company of their own volition, but more of the child company being cast off and starting off understandably resentful of it.
This is a company that has moved towards establishing its own name rather than continuing to try to capitalize on its lineage. Start up companies publically stating and capitializing on former affiliations/employment is a practice that many companies engage in from Tab-Funkenwerk (Telefunken), Apex (Telefunken), Damage Control (Line 6), Tbone (Neumann), etc. I guess that is why I don't have a problem with Karma, in the past having made statements of their past affiliation with sE-- something they have ceased doing. As to the mistakes they made (deliberate or otherwise) in making claims about where their microphones are produced, I read what seemed to me to be a sincere apology and correction to such statements by Waylon on Gearslutz. I couldn't think of what else they could do to make amends for that. Everyone makes mistakes-- for me (and yes I realize, this is just me on my soapbox here), accountability rather than perfection is the route to respectibility and credibility. Since then they have taken the high road about how they feel they have been wronged and are moving forward with what they bring to the table.
This is also a company that is currently making its own designs in its own factory rather than rebranding oem mics, or reverse engineering other products to take advantage of the lack of defined (or enforced) intellectual property laws in China. The most blatant exploitation of the latter practice is Behringer of course, but the Chameleon Labs 7602 (which I own and love incidentally), is by all accounts a reverse engineered Neve-lineage/Chandler preamp (something that vintech also did very well). They even all but state this in their advertising-- talk about getting rich off someone else's work.
Warren sells these units, as do many others. Examples of the former (rebranding (possibly with upgrades) Chinese oem products) include Nady, Stelar, Avantone, Shinybox, Telefunken (read Dot's benchtest of the telefunken m16 mark 1!), PPA, and others I'm sure.
Neither of these practices that I wrote about in excruciating detail are ones that Karma is engaging in. I am only speaking (writing) up for them because i've gotten to know some of the people there through dealing with them around the products i've purchased from them-- something that anyone who buys from them and picks up the phone and calls Waylon has the opportunity to do. Part of getting to know them is having gotten to know more to the backstory than I am at liberty to put out here, but I will say that this is part of why I feel so strongly about this and am quick to defend what they're doing.
Respectfully to Robert, Warren and anyone else who choses to feel otherwise,
koji mabuchi
I don't know you either, but I respect your opinion, your willingness to state it and can relate to the struggle (as many here can) of balancing a day job with what I'd really be doing (music). My real name is in my website url on my user profile (I have no idea how to customize my banner line there) and I live in Mohegan Lake, NY (Westchester sounds a little cooler to me I guess and people always think I live by the casino when I tell them the name of the town).
I don't think this is a case of 'good guy' vs 'bad guy,' which is why I was careful to state my sincere respect for Warren, but rather of incomplete information and, as Warren noted, different perspectives. I really hate the practice of "newbie" bashing and I have seen Warren guide many people on this board and others through recording and gear purchases completely in good faith. His reviews on mojo pie of gear and tips on the mb's have helped me at times and I have great respect for him, so I really hate being in disagreement with him on this issue. Also, from what I know, which again, is limited, I don't think this is a case of a child company splitting off from a parent company of their own volition, but more of the child company being cast off and starting off understandably resentful of it.
This is a company that has moved towards establishing its own name rather than continuing to try to capitalize on its lineage. Start up companies publically stating and capitializing on former affiliations/employment is a practice that many companies engage in from Tab-Funkenwerk (Telefunken), Apex (Telefunken), Damage Control (Line 6), Tbone (Neumann), etc. I guess that is why I don't have a problem with Karma, in the past having made statements of their past affiliation with sE-- something they have ceased doing. As to the mistakes they made (deliberate or otherwise) in making claims about where their microphones are produced, I read what seemed to me to be a sincere apology and correction to such statements by Waylon on Gearslutz. I couldn't think of what else they could do to make amends for that. Everyone makes mistakes-- for me (and yes I realize, this is just me on my soapbox here), accountability rather than perfection is the route to respectibility and credibility. Since then they have taken the high road about how they feel they have been wronged and are moving forward with what they bring to the table.
This is also a company that is currently making its own designs in its own factory rather than rebranding oem mics, or reverse engineering other products to take advantage of the lack of defined (or enforced) intellectual property laws in China. The most blatant exploitation of the latter practice is Behringer of course, but the Chameleon Labs 7602 (which I own and love incidentally), is by all accounts a reverse engineered Neve-lineage/Chandler preamp (something that vintech also did very well). They even all but state this in their advertising-- talk about getting rich off someone else's work.
Warren sells these units, as do many others. Examples of the former (rebranding (possibly with upgrades) Chinese oem products) include Nady, Stelar, Avantone, Shinybox, Telefunken (read Dot's benchtest of the telefunken m16 mark 1!), PPA, and others I'm sure.
Neither of these practices that I wrote about in excruciating detail are ones that Karma is engaging in. I am only speaking (writing) up for them because i've gotten to know some of the people there through dealing with them around the products i've purchased from them-- something that anyone who buys from them and picks up the phone and calls Waylon has the opportunity to do. Part of getting to know them is having gotten to know more to the backstory than I am at liberty to put out here, but I will say that this is part of why I feel so strongly about this and am quick to defend what they're doing.
Respectfully to Robert, Warren and anyone else who choses to feel otherwise,
koji mabuchi
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e-man
oldbie
Paj said:
same here...
looking forward to getting a hold of them.
later...
kidvybes
New member
undergroundtoon said:I agree 100%. 9 times out of 10 when a person splits off from a parent company it starts with this "I am tired of making some other guy rich" "i work my fingers to the bone and get chump change for it" "i should cut out the middle man(my boss) and start my own damn company" "its my bosses fault for not giving me enough money". In other words they are willing to bite the hand that has feed them for their own personal gain.
Its like that "king of the hill" show. when hank and a quick talking salesman are in a run by their boss to see who is top salesman of the month. The smooth talker gets abunch of people to buy more than they need to make quick sales. Hank has a guy come up to him wanting to buy a grill that day. Hank would not let him. Hank said "i want you to take the papers home on the grill and look them over and see if its right for you before you buy". Hank didnt sell a grill all month untill the last day. That guy came back and said "since you wanted to earn my business and cared about me i will take a whole truck load of them".........Hank won the monthly sales and the other guy lost his job.
Respect is the most important part of business. Quick sales at the cost of doing what is right will cause the mistrust and downfall of ANY company(just give it time). Quick sales die out but respect last a lifetime. I will call a peice of shit a peice of shit right to its face. I dont hide behind the internet. that is my real name and my real location. I am in the phone book if anyone wants to find out my address it would only take minutes.
I feel the same way about my cartoon. I would rather fail and be a laughing stock than step on anyones toes and screw people over to get to the top. Fuck it, if i fail, i fail with pride(a lost breed these days). I have got to get up and look myself in the face everyday and i want to like what i see. I wont pimp my cartoon on here and give links to previews or for that matter even anounce the name of it. It has nothing to do with recording and i am here to learn not sell.
warhead you have earned respect from me. that means my next mic will be bought from you and you alone. If i had a worker that split from my company and tried to undersell me and take my business i would have done exactly what sE did but with lots of lawyers. It goes back to that old saying "screw me once shame on you. screw me twice shame on me." I dont give second chances to those people.
I am not here to tell people they should not buy karma. that is their own choice, so feel free to shell out 5 bucks to get that mic if you want it. good for you and your deal on a decent mic. good for you for the ability to get a cheaper deal than me on a similar product. I am also not here to put karma out of business. This is just my opinion and should be read just as that. I will let people make up their own minds about karma. I wish karma the best of luck. if they are here to make a better product for cheaper than sE and not for greed i hope they do, but they dont have my business(not that it matters to anyone in this world but me).
if you want proper spelling and grammer put spell check in the post box. its 2 am and i am to tired. i work 2 jobs for a living (my cartoon and my factory job).
even if karma sent me a free mic i would send it back un opened let alone pay them money.
good day to you both
...funny thing here is that you and Warren share something in common...you both make elaborate statements based on a lack of information...he has never seen or used a product, but he chose to condemn it based on an entirely false premise (for which he later apologized, because the truth is Warrren is a "standup" guy)...
...now you come along (equally misinformed) and give a sermon about "respect" in the world of business...obviously you know little about the concept of respect, especially when it concerns "sombody else's" business...you have little or no information about the true history of this company (Karma) yet you make a rather naive generalization about how people spitefully leave one company to start another competitive company (did I mention "naive")...making uninformed blanket statements about somebody's else's business history in a public forum is in the least very "dis-respect-ful" (some might say slanderous)...
...dude, you need to get off your soapbox and get a reality check...your entire rant is the product of a lack of information and a very naive understanding of business...competition is the heart and soul of a capitalist system...it's what allows you to purchase from a broad selection of the products you want at "competitive" pricing...and new companies "growing" out of more established companies is a building block of a fair and balanced marketplace (you'd prefer monopolies?)...if you knew how many of the products you've purchased were the result of a similar business evolution, you might think twice before making such sophmoric statements...
...I mean damn, you're posting on a musician's website...how many bands were started by a member of a "former" band...or for that matter, how many cartoonists have served an apprenticeship working on another cartoonist's strip before going out and establishing their own original strip?...duh...
...I'm gonna show you a little "respect" and assume that your sermon was just the result of a Friday nite binge, and excuse it...next time, concern yourself less with "spelling" issues, and concentrate on content (when other people's business history is the subject)...
...oh yeah...one more thing...I have already purchased mics from Warren as well as frequently recommending Front End Audio as a reliable and trustworthy source on this and other audio sites...and I will continue to do so in the future...so feel free to choose from whom you purchase your microphones...you live in a open market capitalist society..ain't it sweet?...
Warhead
Jai guru deva om
To clarify, my point is not that somebody who used to work with somebody else split to undersell them. I could care less about that really. It's using that companies reputation to build up your own that I disagree with, and associating the new company in the old one in a false manner. I wish I could be clearer than that (and be able to stop talking about it here). I have never been anti-competition.
I still don't get the sE is "too high" thing but yes I am biased, but Karma has already raised the 99 cent price to $5 and they are selling ribbon mics on eBay for over twice what they introduced them at so...that doesn't seem to be the direction they're heading either (which is fine, they are in business to turn a profit no matter what else we'd like to boil them down to) and there seems to be tons of play on price that you guys aren't getting to lock into.
Thanks to all for the kind words though.
War
I still don't get the sE is "too high" thing but yes I am biased, but Karma has already raised the 99 cent price to $5 and they are selling ribbon mics on eBay for over twice what they introduced them at so...that doesn't seem to be the direction they're heading either (which is fine, they are in business to turn a profit no matter what else we'd like to boil them down to) and there seems to be tons of play on price that you guys aren't getting to lock into.
Thanks to all for the kind words though.
War
kidvybes
New member
Warhead said:
War...the irony in all this (at least to me) is that under different circumstances, you and Waylon would have probably hit it off on a very positive note...after lengthy conversations with both of you, I think you have a lot in common...you're both musicians who have parlayed your passion into your livelihood...you're both straight-from-the-hip kinda guys...you say what you think...and from dealing with both of you, in my personal experience, you both deliver what's promised...I'm very comfortable recommending both of you to my family, friends and associates as trustworthy, reliable sources for product...
...I would really suggest a one-to-one conversation between the two of you so maybe you can better see each other's viewpoints (as in "friendly competitors")...and I am absolutely sure that the histrionics of these two companies is not exactly as you (War) have been told...
...both companies exchanged mistruths in the original postings, and both made an effort to correct the discrepancies later in the program...but the history according to Zou (in the Sound-On-Sound article) may be less than entirely accurate..
...you might find Waylon and Belinda's input a bit enlightening...
...that said, I would like to bring the focus of this thread back to product and performance by such...
Warhead
Jai guru deva om
kidvybes said:
Carry on.
War
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Canibus
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Can you use these for vocals?
punkin
Univalve & Avatar Speaks
Good question! Anyone use em for that yet?
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travelin travis
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can you drive a 1970 VW bug cross country?
undergroundtoon
New member
No i was plenty sober(i dont drink). I was however and idiot who got sucked into this thread, but i did post what i truly belive. I wish i could let threads like this just roll off my thoughts. I guess i need to grow up a little more. After all i am here to learn how to record not fight my opinion. To be honest i dont give a crap about karma so why bother. I hate when i do this because it takes my attention away from my goals. This is the reason i stay out of the cave 99.99% of the time. It is that "ONE TIME" that takes so much away from what could have been a productive day of new knowledge. This is my last post on this thread so feel free to get the last word in. I dont have enough hours in the day to learn let alone fight with someone over "made in china" mic's. Good day to both of you. I have got learning to do.kidvybes said:...funny thing here is that you and Warren share something in common...you both make elaborate statements based on a lack of information...he has never seen or used a product, but he chose to condemn it based on an entirely false premise (for which he later apologized, because the truth is Warrren is a "standup" guy)...
...now you come along (equally misinformed) and give a sermon about "respect" in the world of business...obviously you know little about the concept of respect, especially when it concerns "sombody else's" business...you have little or no information about the true history of this company (Karma) yet you make a rather naive generalization about how people spitefully leave one company to start another competitive company (did I mention "naive")...making uninformed blanket statements about somebody's else's business history in a public forum is in the least very "dis-respect-ful" (some might say slanderous)...
...dude, you need to get off your soapbox and get a reality check...your entire rant is the product of a lack of information and a very naive understanding of business...competition is the heart and soul of a capitalist system...it's what allows you to purchase from a broad selection of the products you want at "competitive" pricing...and new companies "growing" out of more established companies is a building block of a fair and balanced marketplace (you'd prefer monopolies?)...if you knew how many of the products you've purchased were the result of a similar business evolution, you might think twice before making such sophmoric statements...
...I mean damn, you're posting on a musician's website...how many bands were started by a member of a "former" band...or for that matter, how many cartoonists have served an apprenticeship working on another cartoonist's strip before going out and establishing their own original strip?...duh...
...I'm gonna show you a little "respect" and assume that your sermon was just the result of a Friday nite binge, and excuse it...next time, concern yourself less with "spelling" issues, and concentrate on content (when other people's business history is the subject)...
...oh yeah...one more thing...I have already purchased mics from Warren as well as frequently recommending Front End Audio as a reliable and trustworthy source on this and other audio sites...and I will continue to do so in the future...so feel free to choose from whom you purchase your microphones...you live in a open market capitalist society..ain't it sweet?...
ljmaxx
Hurricane Offender
undergroundtoon said:
"Made in China" is something most of us have to get over.
Groove Tubes Vipre ------- Made in China
Groove Tubes SuPre ------ Made in China
Groove Tubes Glory Comp - Made in China
Akai DPS24 --------------- Made in China
Charter Oaks ------------- Made in China
The items above seem to have earned respect in the pro recording genre' If it weren't "for Made in China" most of the home recordist's wouldn't be home recordist's. I have a Dell PC which I thought was made in the USA but just for the hell of it I turned my keyboard over and guess what, it says Made in China.
Remember when Made in Japan was a bad thing? When Audio Technica first came on the pro audio market there wasn't much good said about them at the time. Same goes for Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Acura, Lexus, Infinity, Mazda, & Mitsubishi. How about now?
timboZ
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I did some more playing around.
I'm confused.
I don't know if my tests really show anything but this is what I did.
I played pink noise. The mic was 20 inches from the speaker. 90db at the position of the mic.
Then I recorded 4 samples with the mic.
Green - Mic pointed at speaker
Red - 90 degrees from speaker. Pointed at the ceiling
Blue - 136 degrees from speaker
Yellow 180 degrees from the speaker
It kinda of looks like an omni mic to me.
Are my tests valid?
I'm just a hack with some gear in the basement.
I'm confused.
I don't know if my tests really show anything but this is what I did.
I played pink noise. The mic was 20 inches from the speaker. 90db at the position of the mic.
Then I recorded 4 samples with the mic.
Green - Mic pointed at speaker
Red - 90 degrees from speaker. Pointed at the ceiling
Blue - 136 degrees from speaker
Yellow 180 degrees from the speaker
It kinda of looks like an omni mic to me.
Are my tests valid?
I'm just a hack with some gear in the basement.
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msly
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Do any of you guys have any clips of these mics..... would love to hear them recording an acoustic guitar....or piano......
sLY
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