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kcearl
I see deaf people
was the stupidest fucking joke Ive ever made up 
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Greg_L
Banned
That's why it was funny.
It's like this one:
How do you get a purple witch pregnant?
You fuck her.
kcearl
I see deaf people
stop trying to divert us drummerboy
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Greg_L
Banned
You're already diverted, no instrument boy.
kcearl
I see deaf people
up yours EZ drummer preset boy who fishes like a vegan
Im off to buy a UAD card...happy days, you guys can eff off
Im off to buy a UAD card...happy days, you guys can eff off
Supercreep
Lizard People
They don't sound as good as "real instruments" for their respective purposes.
Otherwise, they'd be "real instruments".
What do I win?
Rimshot
New member
Can't you just FEEL the love in this place?
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Greg_L
Banned
Can't you just FEEL the love in this place?
I feel something, but I think it's from those jalapeno sausages I ate earlier.
Rimshot
New member
I dunno! I eat that kind of thing all the time and it doesn't bother me at all except it makes me fart a lot!
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Greg_L
Banned
I dunno! I eat that kind of thing all the time and it doesn't bother me at all except it makes me fart a lot!
Yeah that's all it was for me too.
kcearl
I see deaf people
Im gonna kill a drummer in my neighbourhood
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stevieb
Just another guy, really.
Hey, we're all friends, here!
Rimshot
New member
It's not wise to mess with drummers. Even scrawny little guys like Charlie Watts will put your lights out.
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Greg_L
Banned
Yeah, all the jokes might be about drummers, but they're the only member of the band that can actually win a fight.
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Yammie072
Not a Newbie
I've used a suitcase as a kick on recordings... really processed hand claps as a 'snare'... and two pieces of paper rubbed together as a shaker. got it to sound pretty damn good, and it really fit in with the folky stuff i was recording.
Why? Because I was in an apartment building and really only had an acoustic as a real instrument to work with. And I would rather have something human feeling than using a loop or programming something.
If I could have used a real drum kit, i certainly would have.
And it would have sounded better.
Why? Because I was in an apartment building and really only had an acoustic as a real instrument to work with. And I would rather have something human feeling than using a loop or programming something.
If I could have used a real drum kit, i certainly would have.
And it would have sounded better.
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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
Now on to tuning a suitcase kick drum......just add and subtract you laundry for desired tone.
Rimshot
New member
Now on to tuning a suitcase kick drum......just add and subtract you laundry for desired tone.
Yeah, and the real snobby richer kids will be bragging that they only use Hartman, Tumi or Tourbach and making fun of the poorer kids that buy their suitcases at KMart!
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
I've found this debate really fascinating. The to-ing and fro~ing for me has contained many interesting points and as is often the case, I can see the merits on both sides and I can understand where the various protagonists are coming from. Threads like this give me weird ideas and also help me to respect particular instrumentalists perspectives more.
I remember once, I was at work and where I worked at the time (it was a kids' adventure playground !) they had a stereo in the staff room and the speakers were rigged up outside in the general area. On the radio came this song and it had this single continuous organ note right the way through and it sounded so good. I remarked to one of my colleagues how nifty it was and they just stared blankly at me. And when the song ended I could still hear it. Just as I was thinking what a brilliant way it was to end the song, I realized it was the flipping heater ! It was so old and it used to whirr away.
I love the drums, it was one of the two instruments I wanted to play when I was a teenager. For most of the stuff I've ever done, it's been an integral instrument and as important as the melody when it's in a song. Not even a piano possesses the range of sound that a drumkit does with it's combination of wood, plastic, felt, metal, skin, etc. To some extent, it's that very versatility and range that make it ripe for experimentation.
There is some truth in this because moresound did say
But importantly, he adds
I remember many years ago reading about the recording of the "Beatles for sale" Lp. In that, the various bandmembers were saying that they got into this thing of trying to alter their usual sounds, with particular reference to the drums so they'd use a suitcase or packing case as the snare, just for a different sound. Same way that a couple of years later they'd stuff the kick or put tea towels on the snare. It's not necesarilly about better, just different. Some hate that monkeying about, others don't. Ringo would never have suggested using a suitcase for a snare in the main because he was the drummer. He wasn't bored with the sound. The notion to experiment never left them or many other groups of the era although they didn't stick with some of the more way out techniques very long. Try it, record if liked, move on unless it was that good.
Kind of the wheel on which much of the debate turns. And I thoroughly respect the viewpoint. I wouldn't diss it at all. I'm glad this view exists. But many of us that aren't actual drummers won't necesarilly have either that view or the same force of attatchment to it. For me, trying a suitcase as a kick isn't something I'd do every day but it is something I'd try. It'll either work or it won't. It's not about saying that a drummer can't get this or that sound, it's simply (or it would be for me) experimentation. Sometimes, I've used a wok as a gong. It's OK, nothing skybreaking, but it is a workable percussion sound. The idea of using 'found sounds' is nothing new in recording, from Judas Priest using heavilly compressed cutlery to form part of the beat on "Metal Gods" to David Bowie's use of the toy stylophone on "Space Oddity". Slightly different, I know, but there are so many examples out there over a 70 year period.
Another key point and surprizingly potent, in spite of the sarcasm with which it was delivered and intended. Because, the simple are so easilly amused. It's analogous with many classical musicians' viewpoints of rock/pop (any genre that comes under the banner of popular music, really), it's construction and form, it's musicians and it's followers. And many non drumming experimenters will amuse themselves in experimentation. Because for better or for worse, that's what human beings do. We don't stand still for too long. We get bored. Obviously not at the same things, but up to a point we do like to move. Many non drummers will be simple here (some drummers too. And equally some non drummers will think it's a stupid idea) and will think in terms of trying a different sound. And it's the expertise of the drummer that they'll want and need to bring the idea to fruition.The simple are so easily amused.
No argument there. I listened just a couple of days ago to 7 albums by two bands {Bowie/Spiders from Mars and Horslips} and just the range of bass drum sounds was phenomenal. I wondered why each album didn't just use one bass drum sound. But the different sounds were indicative of our liking for different sounds across the drum spectrum. To many non drummers, there may be some novelty attached, as Rami pointed out, but I think there's more of a quest for sounds than simply novelty though it would be dishonest to discount that element too.
What I found interesting here is that moresound started off by saying that he'd already been experimenting with suitcases and that he'd already determined that they sounded not good, but "real good". That's where this whole debate began ~ with his conclusion. Even if every one of us had said "this is daft", it wouldn't have undone his feeling that it sounded good. But despite the novelty value, only an idiot would honestly keep a sound if they honestly felt it was rubbish and was to the detriment of the song{s}, just so they could say "look at me !".
I remember once, I was at work and where I worked at the time (it was a kids' adventure playground !) they had a stereo in the staff room and the speakers were rigged up outside in the general area. On the radio came this song and it had this single continuous organ note right the way through and it sounded so good. I remarked to one of my colleagues how nifty it was and they just stared blankly at me. And when the song ended I could still hear it. Just as I was thinking what a brilliant way it was to end the song, I realized it was the flipping heater ! It was so old and it used to whirr away.
Use of the word "should" and "better" here kind of implies a given ~ that something must be done, because. If there are five ways of doing something, why must one way predominate ? I would turn the initial question here around ~ if someone wants to make music with a piece of crap {and Rim does admit that the guitarist in his example made the guitar sing which I presume to be a positive} and there is a possibility that it could sound good, then why not ? To say "because it's stupid" or "more reliable things have been perfected" are arguments....just not very compelling ones. As is, I'll freely admit, "so I can say I did it".
I love the drums, it was one of the two instruments I wanted to play when I was a teenager. For most of the stuff I've ever done, it's been an integral instrument and as important as the melody when it's in a song. Not even a piano possesses the range of sound that a drumkit does with it's combination of wood, plastic, felt, metal, skin, etc. To some extent, it's that very versatility and range that make it ripe for experimentation.
Autotune for the hound ?Oh, okay, how's this?
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Greg_L
Banned
Whoa.