Tenacious D acoustic sound

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How si it they get such a nice acoustic sound on stage? I've seen them and there acoustics sound a million times better than mine, even when I have it running through the POD and tweaked as far as it will go.
They seem to have this sweet, crisp yet full sound to their guitars.

Anyone know how?
 
Neil Ogilvie said:
How si it they get such a nice acoustic sound on stage? I've seen them and there acoustics sound a million times better than mine, even when I have it running through the POD and tweaked as far as it will go.
They seem to have this sweet, crisp yet full sound to their guitars.

Anyone know how?

I'd bet it's a lot to do with their guitars - I bet they have pretty damn expensive ones. Of course, acoustics are a much more 'revealing' instrument than electrics - quality of sound is all in the woods used and method of constructions, along with other things such as the nut and tuners, but there can be huge differences between the quality of acoustics without being able to hide behind distortion etc.

Hope that helps a bit!

Tom
 
it probably has to do with their "inward playing" technique.

:p
 
speaking of TD..anyone ever see jack black singing in that movie with john cusack?

i think it was "hi fidelity" or something like that..it was on USA last weekend and i caught that part..

he was kicking ass on that marvin gaye tune..in a funny sort of way..
 
Neil Ogilvie said:
I've seen them and there acoustics sound a million times better than mine, even when I have it running through the POD and tweaked as far as it will go.
They seem to have this sweet, crisp yet full sound to their guitars.

Anyone know how?

Yeah, stop plugging your acoustic into a POD. What type of guitar and pickups do you have? I have a fishman on my Larivee and it sounds sweet running through my board and JBL PA. It sounds like ass running through my POD.
 
CDT-sHaG said:
speaking of TD..anyone ever see jack black singing in that movie with john cusack?

i think it was "hi fidelity" or something like that..it was on USA last weekend and i caught that part..

he was kicking ass on that marvin gaye tune..in a funny sort of way..

Great performance by Sonic Death Monkey.
 
Barry Jive and the downtown five....


Musical visionaries!!!!...
 
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TexRoadkill said:
Yeah, stop plugging your acoustic into a POD. What type of guitar and pickups do you have? I have a fishman on my Larivee and it sounds sweet running through my board and JBL PA. It sounds like ass running through my POD.


Well, this is the flaw in my arguement.......

I have a £100 Lorenzo flame series acoustic that I got off of ebay. The PASSIVE (I'm embaressed :( ) pick up gives no bass response at all and a very weak thin signal.

Suprisingly, the actual guitar sounds great, its just the pick-up I think. When i record I use a mixture of the guitar through the POD and the SP B1 mic'ing it up and it sounds great.

Through the POD I'm able to tweak it a little to bring the sound out a little 'fuller', but its still not perfect.

My Brother has a Takamine something. Its £350 brand new (when he got it at christmas) and has an active pickup. When I record with that it sounds a million times better plugged straight in, although mic'ed up only marginally better.

Any suggestion on how to improve my live sound with what I've got?
 
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Neil Ogilvie said:
Any suggestion on how to improve my live sound with what I've got?

I'll tell ya there is no replacement for the right gear. You can make crappy gear sound a lot better but even then it usually falls short. If you can't get a better pickup and a better preamp then really all you can do is tweak until it sounds right. If you could use anything other than the POD it will probably help. I don't even like the POD on clean electric.

As I recall the best clean sound on the POD that I liked was using the Fender Blackface model.
 
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TexRoadkill said:
I'll tell ya there is no replacement for the right gear. You can make crappy gear sound a lot better but even then it usually falls short. If you can't get a better pickup and a better preamp then really all you can do is tweak until it sounds right. If you could use anything other than the POD it will probably help. I don't even like the POD on clean electric.

As I recall the best clean sound on the POD that I liked was using the Fender Blackface model.

cheers Bruce
 
Installing a decent preamp/blender in most any acoustic is a fairly simple matter. For that matter if you fear the adventure yourself, its not all that expensive to have one installed. I am a mediocre woodworker at best..... and I've installed 5 so far without a hitch.
 
an added note about upgrading your acoustic. It would impress you to hear the difference your guitar produces after you upgrade to bone nuts and saddles. Most guitars (under $500) have plastic nuts and saddles. Bone tends to pick up a far more true vibration. making for a brighter, longer lasting tone.

Supplemetal note: don't be afraid to explore different strings. Bronze, phosphorous, coated.... all will give you a different timbre
 
Cheers for the replies Even.

The guitar I have has a passive volume and tone in straight line potentiometers on the top of the guitar. This gives me a a black plastic, square shaped 'passive-pre' of sorts.

If I wanted to replace this, how much of a job would it be? would I need to cut this hole bigger or do you is it a standard size?

I'll have a go at the bone nuts and saddles - doesn't sound too expensive, so I can do that pretty soon!

Cheers,
Neil
 
yes yes, installing a preamp unit with the EQ can be a hard decision because yes you do need to cut a hole in the guitar. The thought of doing this can weaken the knees I know.

I have an alvarez fusion acoustic. It came with a mediocre passive pickup assembly. The hesitation for me was that the guitar is a "thinline" and most of the preamps and the like were far to wide for the guitar. After some searching I found a thin profile assembly.

I removed the old set upand filled the 1/4 inch holes that once were the pots. (I used woodworking plugs and stained them). Found a smooth portion of the side of the guitar to become the new home for my new EQ. Check carefully that there are no body braces or supports at whatever location you choose. I drafted a template to the size of the preamp, glued it to the location with a spray tack glue. this type of glue is good because it is not a permanent super adhesive, but works well to hold the paper template down. Several deep breaths... and I beset the side of the guitar with a dremel tool with a cutting wheel. smoke, screeching.. the whole works. But the new hole was perfect, and once I dropped the assembly into place and screwed it down (do NOT over torque the screws), there was no evidence of any cutting.

I was proud as hell at the fact it was so easy and presented no visible distress. the sound improvement obviously more than compensated for my initial doubts. I will add that if you truely question your craftmanship or just find yourself in tears at the idea of surgery on a decent guitar.... most shops will install this same assembly for a modest fee.
 
An alternative to installing something else in your guitar (although that would work fine) would be to get an outboard preamp like a Baggs Para Acoustic DI or one of the similar Fishman ones. I think something like that would do a better job than a POD.

Although you can't really expect a £100 guitar to compete with a nice Guild or Martin.

You know how it is. Sometimes you follow your heart; sometimes your heart cuts a fart, and that's a cosmic shame.
 
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