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DO YOU ALL UNDERSTAND NOW ?

We must stop the newbees...

They are tearing us apart

We are now at each other's throats

Let's ban together and prevent anymore of them from becoming members

All could be lost

Sean
 
Bear,

Ok....I see that. But I guess even that is arguable as "pro" is also a relative term. I believe there are records floating around out there done without the balance you speak of yet were mastered by "pros." (yikes....if you think about it...all you have to do is consistently make money doing it to be a pro....always ask for samples, people!!)

Ya know what....come to think of it...."balanced" is also relative term. For instance....a lot of new stuff on MTV and such does not sound balanced to me though I know it is by common standards. Some of it sounds "hyped" in the high and low frequencies....even "over-wide" sometimes!

I dont know...maybe it all comes down to a philisophical debate in the end.

Whether this argument ever gets ironed out or not, I would like it understood that Bear and i agree on one thing FO SHO....while progs like T-racks and Izotope are fun to play with (I use em on demos all the time), "mastering" gets done by pros with pro gear and and great ears.

Of course "great ears" can also be quite relative as can be "pro gear."

Nevermind....I'm apparently too philisophical today to fight.:D

death to newbies, it is then!!!!:p



heylow
 
i find t-racks to be useful when 'mastering' (i'll use that term loosely) digital tracks created in the digital domain so that there is an even sound and flow to the disc.
i went full circle with it, loved it, hated it, now i like it. but i wouldn't say that it could ever replace mastering by a professional. the pro has the gear sure, but they also have the skilled and schooled ears and can be completely impartial.

if i were to release something for the masses on a big scale i would mos def pay to have it mastered in a mastering room by a pro before running it through t-racks.

i think for demo's, mp3's etc on a budget it's cool tho - and for the curious, it is/can be a learning tool.

not sure that this post adds any value to this thread, but.... ;)
 
lofat said:
i think for demo's, mp3's etc on a budget it's cool tho - and for the curious, it is/can be a learning tool.
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Is it worth 300 dollars just for that purpose?
 
$300?....compared to what you could buy 15-20 years ago...I'd say yes in a heartbeat. Nowadays....a big NO. I'd rather have about 10 of those joints that Samicide smokes.... you know...those "spensive ones":eek:
 
LOL@MIXMKR:cool: Sammy does smoke some expensive cigs.:eek:

I think Im gonna stick with eq and minmal compression for right now...I downloaded the t-racks demo and every pre-set in the thing made my mixes sound like pure shit.

I guess you have to have a completely terrible mix in order for t-racks to do anything good for it.

Do you have any mastering software MIXMKR?Are there any simple programs that have eq/compression etc plugins included in them?.....I know the multiband-compression thing is probably what the pros use but I am FAR from being a novice much less a pro and I aint got the money for that expensive type of gear.

Im a complete computer idiot as far as recording goes.I havent ventured away from my digital recorded yet.

Somebody help a brother out and give me the low down on an inexpensive way to make an attempt at mastering wav files.

maybe I just need to listen to a shitload of records and train my ears.:eek:
 
Kramer, I'll have what Sammy's having. The Waves stuff does a great job of polishing. The C4 compressor is great as is the Ultramaximizer. Also Timeworks Mastering Compressor and Mastering EQ are very good.
 
Kramer said:
LOL@MIXMKR:cool: Sammy does smoke some expensive cigs.:eek:

I think Im gonna stick with eq and minmal compression for right now...I downloaded the t-racks demo and every pre-set in the thing made my mixes sound like pure shit.

I guess you have to have a completely terrible mix in order for t-racks to do anything good for it.

Do you have any mastering software MIXMKR?Are there any simple programs that have eq/compression etc plugins included in them?.....I know the multiband-compression thing is probably what the pros use but I am FAR from being a novice much less a pro and I aint got the money for that expensive type of gear.

Im a complete computer idiot as far as recording goes.I havent ventured away from my digital recorded yet.

Somebody help a brother out and give me the low down on an inexpensive way to make an attempt at mastering wav files.

maybe I just need to listen to a shitload of records and train my ears.:eek:
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Izotope Ozone has 6 plugins in one, which is EQ, multiband compressor, stereo imaging, "mastering" reverb, limiter and harmonic exciter. IMVVVVHO it sounds very good.

But then again, don't judge plugins (or t-racks, for instance) by their presets. Usually, presets are very crappy.
 
Thanks Guys!

Track Rat and Flapo1 I really appreciate the feedback!I'll definetly look into everything you mentioned.

Thanks again,Kramer
 
what you screamin bout?

like the man said ra is the worst compressed format...plus the files were already 128 bit mp3s when i uploaded em...the webmaster of that site made em into real audio...
and why you puttin ya self down like you cant do a mastering job on your own..i know your ears get banged up after a session or so..thats why i master 2 songs at a time
a few days apart to give my ears a break...
i read all type of mastering tips from all types of sourses....and none of the best ..even have a real format you go by....so its really wht you sound your looking for
thses days..cuz digital is here ..and the tools are way better than the old days for people to do things on there own if they want
 
I think there is a blind hatred for T-Racks that can only be rivaled by that for Behrninger products and Amplifier modelers... which is odd to me.

Any tool that can help alter and adjust sound is gonna be good for someone. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's crap. I don't like whammy bars on guitars for me, but that doesn't mean they suck. I don't like using Cubase, but that doesn't mean it's crap.

T-Racks is designed to change and adjust sound... just like a billion other products... how you choose to use it is up to you and one mans trash is another man's treasure. It's not like there is a universally accepted opinion of a good mix or a bad mix. Some people loathe Eno, some people love Bob Rock... some like really dry recordings and some like them bathed in reverb. So use T-Racks if you like what it does to your music. And if you don't like that sound, hey, there are a billion other artists and products out there that you might like.
 
NobleSavage

very true.....
some of the stuff on the radio dont even deserve to be mastered....

if it sounds clean and even to me its considered mastered...or just put it ..if it sounds the way i want it to sound its done...and t-racks is cool .
 
Re: what you screamin bout?

Wiz C said:
like the man said ra is the worst compressed format...plus the files were already 128 bit mp3s when i uploaded em...the webmaster of that site made em into real audio...
and why you puttin ya self down like you cant do a mastering job on your own..i know your ears get banged up after a session or so..thats why i master 2 songs at a time
a few days apart to give my ears a break...
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Wiz,

Sorry but you are even more to blame here. You actually told people to listen to those files and judge the mastering job!!! What were you thinking?

And realisticly "mastering" is usually done to an albums worth of stuff, not one song at a time. Its usuall an album that is mastered......hence the term, I suppose. Mastering is usually a series of edits, fades, eqs, sequencing, level adjustment....all to get a bunch of songs to sound more cohesive together.

I realize that it doesnt matter when doing demo stuff yourself....I do it this way too with demo stuff...after all it wont be released anyway. I just get nervous when the term "mastering" goes flying around the room meaning all kinds of stuff....particularly when it means "I made my song louder." Theres way more to it than that.

Oh well....


heylow
 
heylow true on that but..

your theory of mastering meaning a whole album is wrong...im a 10 years plus vet on mixing and producing...just got into mastering when wavelab 3.0 came out......
it sounds like no one in here thinks they can master their own stuff except that guy using t-racks...if i can do it myself i am.... quality is just 10% of the product you create.
if its not a hot track who would care if it was mastered or not they dont wanna hear it anyway..
 
Re: heylow true on that but..

Wiz C said:
your theory of mastering meaning a whole album is wrong...im a 10 years plus vet on mixing and producing...
if its not a hot track who would care if it was mastered or not they dont wanna hear it anyway..
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Hmmm...I don't think so.
 
why not?

those 12 inch singles from the 70s or now are not albums...which come out before the album ....or some eps or 45s of those one hit artist who never made a album...
mastering is fixing the quality of the music by making it playable on all system with a clear even sound meaning = not to much bass not to much treble....just right for any thing you play it on because anything else like bringing out a sound or guitar riff higher or a piano part, is the mixers job..
 
Wiz,

Seriously man....no lip or anything, but you should do a little reading.


heylow
 
Re: why not?

Wiz C said:
those 12 inch singles from the 70s or now are not albums...which come out before the album ....or some eps or 45s of those one hit artist who never made a album...
mastering is fixing the quality of the music by making it playable on all system with a clear even sound meaning = not to much bass not to much treble....just right for any thing you play it on because anything else like bringing out a sound or guitar riff higher or a piano part, is the mixers job..
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wiz......
often times, those 12 inch singles were mastered seperately. It is not uncommon for compiliation albums to be a bunch of mixes of songs that are then all mastered by one guy to get them to fit together. this is also how a lot of soundtracks are done.
so yes, the singles ARE considered albums.
 
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