Studio Projects Mics - Any Info?

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ausrock said:
These comments regarding the differences between the C1 and V67 are interesting, as in answer to a specific question, Harvey once said that if you already have one of these mics, that buying the other isn't really justifiable due to them being so similar in sonic performance, as you aren't going to gain much if anything that you don't already have.


Flatpicker,

Do you know if Dorsey's articles are available online?
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Part of the article is here: http://www.pfarrell.com/music/shanghaimic.html
but they don't put all the info here because they want you the buy the back issue.

There was another thread where Harvey said some things about the V67 being a little darker than the C1, and/or things along that line. I just don't have time to look for it right now.
 
ausrock said:
.......... And SP are planning the E series, made in the US mics...............start saving.:D

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RATS!!!! CURSE YOU!... CURSE YOU ALL! Especially you, Alan, for making me spend all my hard-earned money!:mad: :D :p
 
alanhyatt said:
I have corrected you on more than one occasion, and here we go again. I never said the E Series was a high end expensive mic catered to the high end studio. Where do you get your information?

The Stephen Paul Mic is a high end mic that will be "expensive" and as a result most likely cater to the guys who can afford it. It too will have some Chinese parts, but it will be made in America.

We are doing as much of the build on the E Series in the USA. If this causes a problem for you, please say so and move on already. The E Series will be a more expensive mic than the the C Series, but way less than many others. Based on the quality of components and body we will use, some may say it is very affordable for what you will get.

I have said not all the parts will come from the USA, but many will. Not everything that NASA does is 100% American, and not much is anymore.
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Well. I got the info from you... you know from threads like https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=87981&perpage=25&pagenumber=1 and other threads like it, where you have said (in not so many words) that the E series are going to be is USA made bodies with a China engine under the hood and that the E series will be your higher end mic costing much more than the B and C series, and therefore not geared towards selling them to home recording studios, and etc, etc.

Alan, where is the heart of the E series mic's made... like, where are the diaphragms made... in the USA or China?

Again, I ask... if you want to make USA made mic's why are you not buying your diaphragms from Shure instead of China?
 
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DJL said:
Well. I got the info from you... you know from threads like https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=87981&perpage=25&pagenumber=1 and other threads like it, where you have said (in not so many words) that the E series are going to be is USA made bodies with a China engine under the hood and that the E series will be your higher end mic costing much more than the B and C series, and therefore not geared towards selling them to home recording studios, and etc, etc.

Alan, where is the heart of the E series mic's made... like, where are the diaphragms made... in the USA or China?

Again, I ask... if you want to make USA made mic's why are you not buying your diaphragms from Shure instead of China?
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DJL,

I have addressed this many times in that thread you posted, and others. I say it again, Shure will not build diaphragms for me the way Brent will want them built, and I do not like giving Shure my business. Kind of like why many dealers don't stock Samson...Samson is Sam Ash, and many dealers do not want to support their competition.

I am making microphones in America. I am not, and can not use all 100% American made components. We will use the component for the job, and make that decision based on it origin of manufacture. The goal is to get the best mic made we can, and have as much of it done here as we can.

If that is not enough for you to call it made in the USA, then what can I tell you.... What will be under the hood will be what it is. The users will decide if they like what we are doing or not.
 
alanhyatt said:
DJL,

I have addressed this many times in that thread you posted, and others. I say it again, Shure will not build diaphragms for me the way Brent will want them built, and I do not like giving Shure my business. Kind of like why many dealers don't stock Samson...Samson is Sam Ash, and many dealers do not want to support their competition.

I am making microphones in America. I am not, and can not use all 100% American made components. We will use the component for the job, and make that decision based on it origin of manufacture. The goal is to get the best mic made we can, and have as much of it done here as we can.

If that is not enough for you to call it made in the USA, then what can I tell you.... What will be under the hood will be what it is. The users will decide if they like what we are doing or not.
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No... I believe you are assembling microphones in America with parts & components made in China (and elsewhere) and then your going to advertise and sell your E series mic's stamped as "MADE IN USA" to try and compete with Shure USA.

Hey, didn't Brent work for Marshall Electronics before he starting working for you? You know, kind of like what Marshall did to Feilo in China.
 
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This is really starting to get ugly - and personal. It shouldn't be. Alan is a pretty honest, straight-ahead kind of guy who thought he was doing the world a favor by coming out with a line of low cost mics that weren't just cookie cutter "me, too" units. It took a lot of guts, and a lot of investment to take that chance.

Yeah, he's here to tell people about his mics, but he's also here to clear up misconceptions about his mics, and help keep the record straight. Bottom line is: accept him as an honest manufacturer who believes in his product. He's a wealth of inside information and I'm glad he hangs out here.

Does Alan have his own agenda? Well, duhhh. Do the math. Of course he does, but he's still one of the best sources of reliable information around. When he goes overboard, he gets trounced, like everybody else here.

Is Alan really trying to get the E mics built in America? I haven't talked to him about it, but I know what it's like dealing with overseas suppliers - it's a royal pain in the butt. I'm sure Alan would gladly kill to move the whole operation closer, but it's not economically feasible.

But why hang Alan in effigy for trying to get the mics made here, when they're not even made yet? They're just an idea so far, if I understand the posts to date. Give him a chance to try to build these, then make your comments, based on how well he succeeds, or fails.

And please don't make all this stuff into a personal attack; Alan really is a nice guy.
 
DJL- I don't understand what your hard on is for Alan. He's generally pretty straight forward for a gear pimp.
 
Harvey Gerst said:
This is really starting to get ugly - and personal. It shouldn't be.
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Harvey's right - it's starting to get a little uncomfortable here.

Hey DJL, chill out, bro ;) I'm sure all your points have been well taken. No need to keep heating things up - be cool! :cool:

I've been a technician in the electronic manufacturing business for 20 years, and believe me when I tell you - it's the design and the q.c. that counts as far as the quality of the product goes, not the fact that you use a foreign manufacturer. China, Japan (where lots of Shure products are made), S. Korea, Malaysia (insert far-eastern country of your choice here) builds them exactly like they're designed, or they don't get paid. Actually I'm kind of leery of some US manufacturing because they're more apt to cut corners to fund their expensive labor. Now keep in mind, I talking consumer products here, not things like NASA where a $5 wrench cost $284.79 ;)
 
What Harvey said.- This discussion is not useful to someone considering the applications and cost-effectiveness of buying Studio Projects microphones. This thread should address the question posed by the poor SOB who started the thread. Yep, C-1 probably is a brighter mic than an MXLV67, which only means I would choose them in different situations. While the choice of C-1 as a main condenser is debateable, it's really hard to find a workhorse more useful overall than B-1 anywhere near its price point.-Richie
 
Hi Harvey, I was wondering if and when you were going jump in... anyway, I almost worship everything you say, so of course I will back-off Alan for the time being. Consider it done. Believe it or not, I like Alan too... but we don't always agree.

Anyway, moving on and getting back to this thread... do you have any comments about the Studio Projects C1? I see you own the MXLV67G. Thanks

And again, I'll drop it... even tho I don't want to, I will because you asked.
 
Flatpicker, I hear you bro... I'll drop it for now.
TexRoadkill, It needed to be pointed out... but it's over for the time being.
 
Alan, this was nothing personal... however, if you feel I was personally attacking you... I apologize. I'm not personally attacking you, in fact I like you... but I do stand by what I said. Anyway, lets drop it for the time being and we can pick it back up again at a later time. Thanks.
 
DJ,

You know I appreciated you support recently, but FFS this kind of shit was put to rest over a year ago......it isn't necessary here on the BBS again as it was done to death before.



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DJL said:
Hi Harvey, I was wondering if and when you were going jump in... anyway, I almost worship everything you say, so of course I will back-off Alan for the time being. Consider it done. Believe it or not, I like Alan too... but we don't always agree.

Anyway, moving on and getting back to this thread... do you have any comments about the Studio Projects C1? I see you own the MXLV67G. Thanks

And again, I'll drop it... even tho I don't want to, I will because you asked.
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Thank you.

As far as the differences between the C1 and the V67G, there weren't a whole bunch of major differences. As I recall, the C1 sounded "slightly" scooped to my ears compared to the V67. And it seemed a tad brighter than the V67.

I liked the V67 just a little bit more (it seemed a little "warmer", "smoother", and "larger than life"), but they were close enough that I'd be happy with either as a large vocal mic. The C1 had a heftier build and feel to it, but the looks of the V67G grew on me.

At the time, I remember telling many people that if they already had a C1, don't bother getting the V67, and vice versa. There's probably a bigger difference when you start getting really picky about the exact tone you want, but these two mics sounded close enough to make me reach for either for a particular voice.

And as far as the question about whether these are "pro quality" or not, lemme answer that. If you listen to South FM's new album, "Drama Kids" on MCA, the drum overheads were Marshall 603's, the guitars were miked with the Studio Project B1, and the vocals were all done with the V67G.
 
Harvey,

Do you feel that a mxl v69 is sufficiently different from a C1 (or V67) to get as a second, complementary LD vocal mic?

Alf
 
alfalfa, sometimes it’s just that little bit of difference that makes all the difference. Is there a difference? In another thread Harvey said the V69 sounds different... I think he said “The V69 sounds like a V67 on steroids” or something to that effect. You asked... “Is there a sufficiently different?” I think that's a hard question to answer, and it may have more than one answer. IMO, if you want a big difference, get a Shure SM-7 or something.
 
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DJL said:
Hi Harvey, I was wondering if and when you were going jump in... anyway, I almost worship everything you say, so of course I will back-off Alan for the time being. Consider it done. Believe it or not, I like Alan too... but we don't always agree.

Anyway, moving on and getting back to this thread... do you have any comments about the Studio Projects C1? I see you own the MXLV67G. Thanks

And again, I'll drop it... even tho I don't want to, I will because you asked.
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What the hell?
 
DJL said:


And again, I'll drop it... even tho I don't want to, I will because you asked.
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That's class. I guess you have a pet, Harvey.
 
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