Studio Projects C1

[mamm7215]

I listened to his work on his site, good stuff mostly. Sounds a lot like he recorded on a C1...

 

[robgb]

This is a perfect thread, I really like it, there's a guy who says he owns a Gefell UM92, Neumann U87, M149 and TLM127, but he doesn't use them because in his opinion the C1 is better.

Oh, please. I have NEVER said that the C1 is better than any of my high-end mics. That's ridiculous.

No wonder you guys get your panties in a wad. You don't actually READ the posts you're responding to.

And my attack on Chessrock had nothing to do with his music. It's about his friggin' piss on everyone attitude. Try actually READING his posts as well. He has contributed nothing but scorn to this thread. How productive is that?

If you're going to make an argument, at least be accurate about it.

 

[Jburn34]

The SP C1 was the first condensor mic I ever bought. It really is a good buy for the money. I think that you'll find with mics that no one mic will do it all. Some are awesome on certain things. Some suck at lots of things. Some are very versatile. I think it's best when starting a mic collection to try and find a few that are good for the money. The SP c1 is definitely that. So is the AT 4040, 4047, sm57, etc.

There is still one vocalist that I will almost always use the C1 on over Neumann's, Lawsons, etc. There used to be some reviews saying it sounded better than a U87, etc, etc, but most of it was hype. It's just a good mic for the money.

 

[Strave]

well you can argue all u want about which is better but u hve to listen to them urself. today i did a recordin at uni and used a c1 for vocals then did another take using my own behringer b1 just for the sake of using it. i found that the b1 whas a much more natural sound.

Yeah I noticed the same thing (made a post at the beginning of this crazy thread) on a female's voice. But on my voice the C1 really sounded better... the crappy artificialness was basically unnoticable and it revealed something in the B1... like a grainy, almost electronic sound. It all depends on the source... then again, we're comparing C1s and B1s and they are busy comparing C1s and U87s.

 

[deepwater]

Here is some proof that you can get a killer sound with some cheap mics

"Anyway... the vocal mic for this song was a Behringer B-2 for the verses and a MXL V77 for the chorus... I tried using a C12 but it didn't quite work for the song, had to be too eq'd... so there is one for you..."

From this thread about nine post down -

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=28301

 

[ch2os7]

wow!

sounds awesome !

 

[chessrock]

Well, that's not really true. There is one he likes... and so do the guys at Moon Unit Sound...

That wasn't me talking to myself, by the way. It was my old partner in crime (used to hang around and help me out with scheduling, etc. Good guitar player, by the way), using my login info because he didn't have a real email address to register himself. I don't use the Moon Unit username, because I'd look at it as a conflict; kind of an agenda of promoting your engineering business, which isn't my thing right now. When he says "we," he's actually talking about he and his wife (who I have yet to meet), who now live in Santa Monica doing jingles and sound design for B movies (as far as I know).

Not that I think it's even worthy of a response or explanation... but you seem to be fascinated enough by it that you keep posting it about once a year so you can look clever or something.

As for the B-1 ... I think it's a pretty good illustration of getting sucked in by hype. I've also gone through the C-1 phase, along with all the Marshall condensers. Of the bunch, the only thing I've held on to that has stood the test has been the mxl-603's and 990's which I think are really useful.

That and the Groove Tubes. Something like the C-1 performs well for it's price ... but I just think we've reached a point where there are other players in the market now. It's a good $200 tool to have around, but it's not something you find in professional studios; and not something you use on projects you're really serious about (comercial releases, etc.). I wish it was, believe me, but it just isn't.

As for me being a negative nilly about it ... someone had to dive on the sword and make an attempt to diffuse some of the hype. People need to know these are not replacements or substitutes for professional tools. And all this internet hype is just out of hand, and frankly, annoying. I'm sorry if I'm being an asshole about it, but Jesus guys, it's the internet for cryin' out loud -- get some better skin armor or something.

 

[Han]

Rob, chill bro! I was referring to this post:

this "Chesshmuck" asshole has a demo-project studio in Chicago and chimes in here on this website everytime someone questions the quality of a Chinese manufactured mic...legit qualified engineers like Harvey Gerst are saying good things about the same mics this punk costantly slams...doesn't anyone else see the pattern...I suggest we all check out Chesshmuck's website and critique his demo tracks (none of which seemed to have been released on any major label) if for no other reason than to question his own credibility...his act seems awfully tired to me, and I've only been on this website a couple of months...and his comments, though masked in comical tone, have a underlying prejudice that's real low-class...

(talk about "talkin' out of yer ass"...the guy's studio is called "Moon Unit" and it's next to Jiffy Lube...who's talkin' outa whose ass?...)

To be honest, I own Neumann's too and as far as I'm concerned the C1 is a nice mic for the $$ and so is the B1.

And Chessrock really knows his shit, listen to his recordings, nothing wrong with that.

 

[slobbermonster]

but it's not something you find in professional studios; and not something you use on projects you're really serious about (comercial releases, etc.). I wish it was, believe me, but it just isn't.

Can I get an AMEN!!!

 

[deepwater]

Here is some proof that you can get a killer sound with some cheap mics

"Anyway... the vocal mic for this song was a Behringer B-2 for the verses and a MXL V77 for the chorus... I tried using a C12 but it didn't quite work for the song, had to be too eq'd... so there is one for you..."

From this thread about nine post down -

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=28301

I think this is also proof that it's more the engineer then the equipment

 

[Strave]

It's by far the engineer. If you can't make a good vocal track with a one hundred dollar mic something is wrong.

 

[robgb]

I think this is also proof that it's more the engineer then the equipment

Exactly....

 

[slobbermonster]

Originally Posted by deepwater
I think this is also proof that it's more the engineer then the equipment

In this case it's proof it's the singer. You could record him through just about anything and have a decent sound. I've heard other tracks he's done on other mics and some have better tone than others but with a golden throat like his they all were good and all were usable.

 

[deepwater]

In this case it's proof it's the singer. You could record him through just about anything and have a decent sound. I've heard other tracks he's done on other mics and some have better tone than others but with a golden throat like his they all were good and all were usable.

Thats true. I wonder if he is a donor. I need a good sing vocie.

 

[cellardweller]

Of the bunch, the only thing I've held on to that has stood the test has been the mxl-603's and 990's which I think are really useful.

What are the mxl 990's particularly useful on?

 

[chessrock]

What are the mxl 990's particularly useful on?

Airy backing vocals (layered).

Also harmony and/or doubling of vocals. Nylon-string accoustic. Some piano. The occasional lead vocal.

 

[cellardweller]

I'm sure to expire your patience quickly, but I'll ask anyway...

"airy" background vocal; Since I only record myself, this is not applicable for the most part.
For lack of better words, I've been trying to get a "spooky" sounding vocal on a particular song...

Am I way off here? What better adjective is there besides "airy"...?

*edit* Would you say that the SPb1 is also "airy"?

 

[chessrock]

I've been trying to get a "spooky" sounding vocal on a particular song...

Try a pitch-shifter or some other weird effect. Backwards reverb can be cool in the right situation (albeit somewhat gimicky).

What better adjective is there besides "airy"...?

Layered? Think 80's Def Leppard / Mutt Lange with like 100 layers of backing vocals on the chorus of Rock of Ages.

 

[DJL]

PMI-AG marketing is here... so I'll butt out of this thread.

I have never read anything bad about it either. The only thing I read that I was uneasy about was this :

The CAD M179 Condenser microphone requires a 24 or 48 Volt Phantom power supply which can deliver at least 8mA for proper operation. I read someone questioning whether all mixers can provide 8mA.

Personally I don't know.
only $169.00 here. That's a good price. They go for $199 on Ebay.
http://www.soundexchange2.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=37&MMP=1

That is one of the kool things about the CAD M179... it can run on less pwr (24V).

Reading old post...
cressrock, crazydoc, etc... I find it interesting how my opinion of some mics have changed over time... sometimes it's fun reading old post.

Anyway... take care everyone, I'm butting out of this thread. Bye

 

[noisedude]

well you can argue all u want about which is better but u hve to listen to them urself. today i did a recordin at uni and used a c1 for vocals then did another take using my own behringer b1 just for the sake of using it. i found that the b1 whas a much more natural sound.

Sorry you had to type that on your phone ... when you get a keyboard for your PC you'll be able to use full words ...

The only thing I'd say is - application. If you're recording Britney Spears, you won't want a natural sound (cos she can't sing), and that fizzy top-end thing might be what you're after. It's all about the application.

One of the things that makes me laugh about this website is people recording metal, saying "this mic sucks" and another guy using it for brushes on his jazz kit saying "you idiot, that mic is the best ever".

PLEASE NOTE - I'm not commenting on specific mics ... I can't be bothered with people accusing me of advertising for anyone