STOP rapping about rapping!!!!

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Yo, My ass is itchy
I'm startin' to get bitchy
I slide my ass back and forth on the carseat
till the car ends up in a ditchy.
I gotta get some type of creme
i'm not the only itcher thats on the scene
the proctilogy scene, thats where it's at
i'm busting and hurting right up my crack.


Damn, thats all I could think of.. Is that better pipeline?
 
Karaoke rappers

Well i'm sorry to hear that you help those cat's out in any way shape or form. I think the term "karaoke rappers" is a new one for me but i think it suites them very well. I feel i'm like you in a lot of ways...i helped out alot of people over the years but only a few understood what the hell i was getting at. You will get payed off for it all one day. I have my guard up now when it comes to most cats because i got screwed over everytime i opened up or offered my opinion on there songs. Ego's are sometimes the hardest thing to over come. Instead of getting pissed off by suggestions that people gave me i listened and worked hard and
now i'm on the right track. See that "two verses changed flow"
is my latest partial track. NOw instead of saying "whatever" when someone who knows cretiques me i listen take it all in and i feel that i'm on my way to becoming a good musician. For me i'm not out for the big pay off or big deal but if it comes and the terms are right of coarse i'm not gonna say i would turn it down.
What i'm getting at is i have never listened to your work but i know just from your post's that you know what your talking about and just know that it doesn't go unnoticed. Eventully you will get a cat in your studio that you help and he will make it big and repay you ...not with money but by saying "thanks"
most cat's don't appreciate anything. Even when they say "i came from nothing" I found out when i gave so much: money,time,advise . That people really want you to fall down so they have something to talk about. But when your hand is out they are you "best friend" So keep up with your work and just know that there are cat's like me out there who care about music and see what your saying to be true.

Peace Love Respect



Ya Boy Kevlar
 
voxvendor - that was awesome.

Same theme.

-verse-
Feels like worms, and it burns - now I'm losin' my mind
The doc says he ain't seen a rash of this kind
He gives me some cream, and shoves me out da door,
Now I'm slidin' down the hallway - ass draggin' on the floor

-hook-
Honeys starin' at my behiny
Feels like I'm wearin poisin' ivy

and sumthin' sumthin (gotta figure that out)

-chorus-
I gotza da itchy bum bum
scratchin' it ain't fun fun

and well.... nevermind.

My 3rd rap attempt. :)
 
It'd be funny if someone came out with a rap on a pointless subject like that, just to take tha piss.
 
Someone should!!!!

Kevlar had some serious beats, especially basslines, this oughtta make a HR community 'roid rap

that would sure be fun as hell! and to me thats what its about

Kevlar, I dont write any of my own stuff, and if I did I promise it would be FAR WORSE than rapping about rapping, I only mix and record other people's stuff.

When I hear stuff like yours, its a mixed blessing. On one hand its where I come from, a movement, an underground thing ( even tho I come from FAR different music its the same ). On the other hand, I know that this kind of stuff isnt a quick sell

The quick sell stuff in reality requires a LOT of money to get moving. People think theyll get a deal or get noticed from the skills of their rapping. For the vast majority that isnt true at all. Notice the pathetic quality of most radio rap nowdays? Its all about the pay to play scam, if you can pay enough radio stations enough money to play your album, youll have a hit, if not, you aint got shit. Noone cares about skills, and for the most part, noone cares about a following or initial record sales, its ALL about how much money you can pay to promote your stuff. This is why you see the LAMEST shit rap all over MTV, when you know good and well you NEVER would have bought that shit.

Kevlar for your style, sometimes I see it more like a volcano. No BIG Mt St Helens eruption, just a steady flow. At first people can say " oh that shit is slow moving Ill just step out of the way" But if it keeps moving, pretty soon its " holy shit this magma is all around me!"
If you are sending that stuff out, I bet people show it to other people little by little. Thats the kinda stuff that LASTS, that gets remembered past 5 years. Just like the Misfits, NEVER had a gold album, yet so many people keep buying up the same old albums again and again that most of their pressings are multi multi platinum. Build that underground, thats what everyone who wants to last needs to stand on
 
your heart is there

originally posted by pipelineaudio
I usually when I KNOW a band has paid all they can, and still they are short, I work on my own time, for free on a LOT of stuff
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i have to give you props on that. to be truthfull with you, i didn't know that you were recording these rappers, i thought you were only tired of hearing these songs on the radio or on television. i should have read your post over like i did today, instead of just replying. i can understand where the frustration comes from, even if you were only referring to the radio stations i can understand where your frustration may come from. i think what makes a big difference in the "i can rap better than you" subject matter is; can you really rap let alone rap better than someone else?

i think a lot of aspiring artists are caught up in a rat race to get to the top. some people like my self look at it as an investment; my time, my money, my talent, while other people who can put a couple of metephores together and form a soliloquy thank the world owes them something.

many artists are scared to open themselves up to the world, i'm pretty sure that everyone who comes into your studio really has something to say, but they don't want to portray that type of image. i guess the environment can play a major part in the path artists choose to take. many urban artists seldomly recieve or persue the chance to perform for any other audiences outside of the club. i think that's the reason why it's sooo common to hear someone rap about how good they are or where they are from, everyone loves drama and violence so artists often take that low road for a jumpstart to fame some find it easier to go that route and not against the grain. if the majority of the people in your area felt the same way as you then i believe there would be different songs being recorded in your studio. i chose to address a lot of crime and violence, but i have an honest message in everything i bring forth.
 
Yo Pipeline

The "misfits"? yo you prob wouldn't believe it but i used to listen to that shit..." i got something to say....i _______ your mother today... that's a violent word didn't want to spell shit out but you see what i mean.. As far as the beats go. the beat on "lifes changed" was from the "dome brothers" and the other one is a premier beat... i can't take credit for them. But i'm glad you like them and appreciate you takin the time out to cretique me. Peace kid
Peace Love Respect




Ya BOy Kevlar
 
Re: G-G-Guess who's back?

Abyyss said:
.......(Soul IV Real :D - can u spot ja?)
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I remember that album (I knew that Ja Rule looked familiar), it came out in 1995.
 
^

Why does Ja have to claim he's such a gangsta: you don't have to be a gangsta to be good and Soul IV Real is no way gangsta!

Ja is no gangsta.
 
I sure like the choice of beats and the melodic pitches of the rap on " thirstin "

but again it is too much rappin about rappin for me, so I got Jesse V ( Milk Dog ) from the Phunk Junkeez to opine...


Milky: " The beats is all good. This sounds like it could be something, a lot better than most of the shit I hear that thugs try to hand me on the road.
[ note...that is some RARE praise from Jesse].
It sounds like he is reading off a paper. He gotta ennunciate and make people think he livin' it. One line pops onto the next, monotone like a robot. Put some BUST at the end of a line, and come in different on the next one just like you yakkin' with your homies. You dont talk in monotones do you? Dont rap like you do! This beat is tight, make sure you keep at it"
 
this one seems like it would be cool, if it were a few of you together...looks like part of the lyrics for a team effort to me
 
Good guess!

U R spot on - it's tha collabo track that's been talked about (see "Colaborations")
 
if i don't rap about rappin', sh*t talking, or gun clappin'
b*tches won't buy my album and i can't feed my seed
if i rap about wine, they'll say I'm kind-a R&B
say i'm soft, say i fell off, say I'm weak like Jon B.,
but if i pull out my nine, i get shine, i get sales,
if i catch a charge, and make bail, my pockets damn sure swell
styles p, and ODB gots love on the streets
but look what happens to X-Clan, KRS-1 and Speech?

its better to rap about rapping than to rap about things that you really aren't aware of. every time you turn around you here about rappers getting their chains snatched or whatever, or having beef or whatever, its all bullsh*t. if these dudes was real gangsta's they wouldn't let these record companies screw them out of the funds they are always rapping about. they get brought up on gun charges for carrying a gun, or carrying some weed, but where's the gangsta in that? that's regular dude type issues. that's community service type issues. that's picking up trash on the highway type issues. that ain't gangsta. or maybe i'm more gangsta than i thought... nah! that ain't gangsta.
 
if you want to save the whales then you may as well rap pro-bono

originally posted by cross
'if i don't rap about rappin', sh*t talking, or gun clappin'
b*tches won't buy my album and i can't feed my seed
if i rap about wine, they'll say I'm kind-a R&B
say i'm soft, say i fell off, say I'm weak like Jon B.,
but if i pull out my nine, i get shine, i get sales,
if i catch a charge, and make bail, my pockets damn sure swell
styles p, and ODB gots love on the streets
but look what happens to X-Clan, KRS-1 and Speech?
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i feel that rap cross, i can tell you came off the dome with that one, just like i did with mine, but yours have a lot more meaning to it. i tried to explain that it's the enviornment and the industry structure that most of us fall victom to.

"only a few people go against the grain,
and only a few of those few remain
in this industry most people learn to take the easy route,
get in, get the money, and then get out."
by phizical therapy

some might say, "why be a follower, when you can be a leader?" followers choose to go down a secured path, that's already been laid down, leaders make their own path. in this industry most people learn to take the easy route, get in, get the money, and then get out. it's like what you learn in chemistry. you have a control group and an experimental group.

Experimental Group A
rap about rappin
violence eye for an eye80 -90%, stop the violence 10-20%
material objects
sexual content
uses explicit language
use of heavy slang

Experimental Group B
rap about people rappin about rappin
Experimental Group B
stop the violence 90%, eye for an eye 10%
white supremecy
black awareness
articulate speach

the control group learns from the experimental group. when gangster rap became mainstream it was the experimental group, everyone jumped on the bandwagon because it was selling more records than those who rapped about a movement, and now it's the control group. when common, mos def, black thought, talib kwale's video is number one on 106 and park for two months, plus goes 7x platinum, then you will see a change. group A gets slow dough, and group B gets mo dough.
if your main objective is to get the dough, then it wont' be hard to see who's gettin it, but if you want to save the whales then you may as well rap pro-bono. if you really look at it you will see that it is a vicious circle

A&R-promotes what the listeners want
Rappers- rap about what the A&R wants
listeners- want what all of the rappers rap about


i apologise for any typographical errors or any unclear thoughts expressed in this passage...
 
It's always the fat cat buisness people that r behind everything.

Take 2pac as a prime example - everyone's feelin' him an' suge at the start is like "yeah this is good" but then it's "think of all the money" then it's "keep makin' shit, they buyin' it".

Dre leaves death row, suge is pissed so thinks "ah, 2pac always sells - I'll get him ta' diss dre" so he makes him diss dre (from what I heard he didn't want to start tha' diss/beef whateva wit D.R.E.) and 'coz it's 'pac suge gets his message out; makin' more money than 'pac oujt of it (of course). And when 'pac is dead (R.I.P.) he comes up wit loads of things he's recorded: most is good, I'll give u that 'coz 'pac could just do that but he makes lots of shitty remixes and doesn't try on half tha beats 'coz he knows it'll sell. I still reckon suge were in on 2pac's murder, 'coz before he died he was plannin' ta' switch labels (not sayin' that's why, but that may have been pac's decision 'coz of it).

Okay - that wasn't really about what they were talkin' 'bout though - for a perfect example of what jugalo said, I only need 2 say tha following:

"Ja Rule"

"M.U.R.E.D.R. inc."

Speaks for itself, don't it?
 
jugalo, you make a very true and interesting point! From a record company point of view, rapping about rapping is a clear financial winner. From the artist's perspective tho Im not so sure.

lets look at some numbers.
All these numbers are designed for simplicity, and would vary greatly in real life

Say the artist makes this album in the way the company wants, with the type of promotion scheme that is designed to go multiplatinum. The record company puts a cap of say 500,000 $ for the studio side of the album (VERY cheap but itll still work). The final deal has the producer getting 10 points and the artist getting 5.

After art and other expenses each run of 10,000 CD's will cost $10,000 ( actually the cost to the record company will be much lower, but this is the cost the artist will see). The money returned to the record company from the outlets will be $7.50

Now pay for play in each market varies from about $30,000 to $300,000 a week. Lets just say $100,000 each for 50 stations

Lets put a $1,000,000 cap on " site related promotions ". Buying bars rounds of drinks, record store posters, tv blurbs, commercials, product placement bribes

Now at least $1,000,000 a piece for each video that will go on MTV and BET and all. And lets assume 1 video for the album.

I have no idea what pay for play is on MTV.

Let us also say that this album is to have a one month shelf life

So lets say they sell 5 million albums. Thats $37,500,000 pretty nice change!

So the artist owes:
$500,000 for the recording
$5,000,000 for the CD's
$20,000,000 for pay to play
$1,000,000 for a video
$1,000,000 for promotions

so thats $10,000,000 in profit, assuming no more promotions are paid after a month so the record stops selling

of this 5 points are the artist's, or $500,000 and 10 points or $1,000,000 are the producer's

that $500,000 is long since history by the time the album recoups, no doubt gone to hotel rooms, clothes, anything expendable.

remember the album had to recoup before the points come in, so the artist's points are only from the post recoup profits.

but wait theres more:

On paper and to the artist's eyes, the record company put out $27,500,000 on this album...good luck!

There was steering done at every step. " go to THIS studio, Mr. artist". " Hey Mr. Studio owner, we send a lot of business here, how about our standard 5% kickback please"

"ahh the beauty and wisdom of purchasing this in house CD duplication facility" We wont even go there. Suffice to say, if the record company doesnt press their own discs, they are getting kickbacks from those who do

"Mr. Producer, here are your * 18 * points as per standard 2 point kickback agreement, after all, WE chose you for this job"

" ahh, Mr. Independant pay for play promoter, I hope we can work something out"

so you see, maybe it is a good idea to do exactly what all the trendies and posers tell you. Just follow the crowd and do it like they say. Itll sure as hell make a nice chunk of change for the record company!

Now, those who choose to go it their way, with very much LESS promotion from the record company, have a different set of numbers altogether, and could surprise the hell out of you
 
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