Yup.Anyone on here a user?
Super. Just works.1, What's the service like?
It's 2016. Your groceries are probably an unethical shit deal.2, How true are reports of this service being really unethical and being a shit deal for artists?
Yup, listening to the free version now. It does indeed, just work.
Its probably shite for artists though. Really fucking shite. I actually do generally shop around for ethical produce - there's no reason that shouldn't also extend to music.
Nah, fair enough man.
I saw spotify stats a long time ago and immediately stopped caring, looking at it from the artist side.
If I earned one penny from spotify (literally) I'd probably have 'made it' from other sources. lol.
Funny though, reading articles and opinions about it and they often make mention of 'free' listening alternatives like Radio, youtube and piracy.
Radio may be free to listen, but it can pay damn well. That hasn't really changed, I don't think.
Not strictly relevant but I just thought it was interesting.
2, How true are reports of this service being really unethical and being a shit deal for artists?
Very True.
I'm sure for the bulk of folks here...it's a big "don't care"...but that's the thing, the more people that don't care, the more it devalues music.
Sure...you hearing about someone like Taylor Swift complaining the Spotify isn't giving her a large enough cut, may sound like a lot like some rich girl crying about a few bucks...but again, the more these streaming companies devalue artist royalties...the less value music will have as a whole down the road. They are making a fortune, and eventually the small artists will be paying them just to get some play.
It's a pretty fucked up situation...the big streaming giants are winning control of music royalties, and they are cutting deals that exclude or minimize the value of the artist who actually created the music. It's more corporate now than it ever was when the Record companies ran the whole distro thing.
Funny how the Internet that was supposed to liberate artists and provide inexpensive distro...is now working against the artists.
This being the case, in future music will only be produced by recording artists for free or by artists that are prepared to work their fucking arses off playing live continually.The difference, in my opinion, is that Spotify can be an alternative to buying records....That's where it gets messed up.
If I earned one penny from spotify (literally) I'd probably have 'made it' from other sources. lol.
Based on the article I linked above, the artist is estimated to receive $0.001128 per stream. Therefore it takes 886 streams to earn $1.
So 1,000,000 streams only equates to a pretty measly $1100.
Looking at Spotify's stats, Drake was the most streamed artist last year so probably netted over $2m for his 1.8bn streams. I'm guessing he's one of very few winners though.
They have Nirvana Live at Reading.
Alright, I exaggerated but the point's there. It's such an insignificant amount compared to other income sources.
If you're earning nothing anywhere you're not going to care about spotify's percentage of a penny per stream and if you are earning money in the industry, you're probably still not going to care relative to your other income.
As with anything there'll be exceptions.
Put it this way. You could make a grand on radio play relatively easily. Hell, you could make it doing ten pub gigs.
Easier than pulling 886,000 streams out of your ass.
That's been in my car's CD player for over 2 years. I'm a huge fan. This is the year he came out in the wheelchair and fell over at the mic to start the show. It was wicked. One of their most famous performances. You might like the "With the Lights Out" box set, if you're a big Nirvana fan. Lots of early demos and rare recordings...though quality is severely raw due to the crap they recorded it on.
er, sorry for the off-topic
Hey Steen, my post wasn’t intended to correct anything you’d said, just to add to the discussion with some figures of what these streams are worth.
All reminds me of something I once read from Billy Bragg where he said that you could go on his website and download his latest album for free or alternatively buy one of his t-shirts for a tenner – made him wonder what business he was really in.